Originally Posted by trentk
I greatly appreciate this thread and the info it has. I am about this close to skipping the ST60 since nobody has it in stock and grabbing an S64 from costco today. But this would be my first plasma and I'm a weirdo who prefers watching tv with the lights on (ceiling fan light with three 30w bulbs) The TV also sits in front of and to the right of our sliding glass door. Theres no reflections but when he sun is going down it can get bright. I'm wondering if the S64 (or any plasma really) will be right for me, looking for input.
YW & welcome to the thread!
The AR (anti reflective) filter on the S64 and ST60 are supposedly about the same. I've owned both and believe that to be true.
The ST60 reportedly has the potential for maybe a somewhat brighter calibrated picture. However, comparing D-Nice's kindly shared settings for the ST60 compared to fairchild99's settings for the S60 that I'm using to excellent effect on my S64, the S64 is the brighter of the 2 I've owned. But that's settings, probably not electronic potential for brightness.
Overhead lights seem to be the forte of these AR filters. I personally saw glare on the upper chrome bezel from my overhead lights but not on the screen. It works very well for that. It works fairly well for window glare, too. However, I had to black out one small window because it was at exactly the wrong angle. Bad luck of the draw, that. I did that for the ST60 but it was also necessary for the S64.
Some others have told me that if I don't want that window blacked out, I could try a "solar screen" on the outside of the pesky window to attenuate the glare. Solar screens are available in various levels of darkness from mild to severe. I had them in S. Texas to reduce AC costs and had not thought about that for glare attenuation. I may yet do that to that one window.
As for my other windows, I'm early retired so I keep the other curtains open all the time to fight cabin fever. So I have the sun shining in frequently and no problems. But again, 1 window was a pest. As for brightness, fairchild99's latest 2 settings work excellent even with the curtains open. As a point of reference, my S64 is significantly brighter with these settings than my Toshiba 36" CRT was.
Randy Walters has stated that very many 2013 LCD's have screens at least as shiny as plasma's with AR filters, so it would seem LCD's with heavy AR aren't as popular any more?
Why my pest window wasn't a problem with my old 36" Toshiba CRT: That was an old curved CRT, not flat. So any pest glare would only be one small spot on the screen. Whereas, with my flat panel plasma, it was a BIG glare just dead bullseye in the middle. I could have attenuated the glare somewhat by changing my living room setup for a different angle on the panel, so that is an option though I didn't use that one.
I think a lot of 2013 TV's (plasma and LCD) have a light AR filter because a heavier treatment takes away too much PQ.
Can you post some pics of your viewing area? With that, some owners in here can probably give better advice about whether a plasma might be a good solution or not. Windows directly behind your viewing position (chair/couch, etc) seem to be more problematic depending upon angle. OTOH, one big picture window behind my seat position to the right is no problem at all. Bring on the sunshine!
I don't know how costly CostCo's return policy is. You might look into that and decide if you're willing to take that gamble and the logistical work of a possible return. That will be the only sure way to know, IMHO.
If you buy an S64, once you get to know it, I invite you to please post your review or a link to your review here. Your input will also be very helpful to others regarding your impressions about glare, etc. It is a frequent concern and the more opinions, the better.
I'm hoping others will input about your questions, too. HDTimeShifter, if you see this, whatcha' think?
Best of luck,