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post #781 of 1048 Old 08-14-2014, 03:46 PM
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Thanks for the review, man.

See, my thing right now is the size of the set. At the moment, my view distance is ~8 feet, but that could change over the coming months/years (longer or shorter.) To give perspective: my 32'' Panny LCD has cycled back n forth between my personal bedroom set and small house/apartment living room over the past 7 years.

As such, I feel like a 43'' would be a solid compromise? I watch a ton of blu rays/netflix, and not ever having owned a super-huge TV I'm assuming we would still be blown away by anything over 40.

I'm trying to avoid a situation where I buy a TV too large/obtrusive/obnoxious for a smaller area. I'm even worried that a 51'' would "take over" the wall in our little 1BD apartment's living room...

Josh, thanks so much for those picture comparos. I've taken a look at all 3 sets over the last week again, and I'm still neck and neck and neck. First world problems!

I got the 43 for the same reasons you mention. Most say "get the biggest tv you can fit." I went with something that will fit in a room and not dominate the setting. I could fit a 51 (even a 60) in the space, but I don't want it sticking out like a monolith.
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Uuuuugh. I'm very, very torn between the f4500 and f5300 right now.

Specifically, based on reviews and you guys here at AVS (and some in-store gawking), the 43f4500 and 51f5300. I'm wavering back 'n forth like crazy. My current 32'' LCD (720p, old Panasonic) is getting a little long in the tooth & I really need to get in on the plasma train before they're all gone.

I myself have little issue with getting another 720p set, but my girlfriend (who has far better vision than I) swears that she can see jaggies/slight SDE in the 4500 when comparing the 2 at Sears/BB. I only notice a bit of rawness/lack of smoothness in text on the 4500 when it's pointed out to me.

View distance will be ~7-8 feet in the apartment living room, lots of Blu-Ray/DVD/Netflix watching with some PS3/cable action. My thinking is that it'd be nice to "future proof" myself by getting a full 1080 set, and hey...bigger is better? OTOH, save a couple hundred with the 43, I move around a lot so being slightly smaller helps there... also, if the set ever made it into a bedroom I'd think the 43 would be a bit more appropriate.

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Same boat with you! I'm buying a TV next week and still looking for one that suits me most.

I'm leaning towards the 43F4500 The only concerns about it would be its brightness (TV would be only 3 feet next to the sliding door where the balcony is) and the non-1080p resolution. That said, I'd mostly be using it during night time, except on weekends

Will be watching from a small space, distance from sofa and TV would be about 8 feet, hence why I prefer the 43 over 51 inch.

720p resolution would be fine at the moment as I'd only be watching HD channels (mainly sports) from the satellite dish (720p), but wouldn't the F5300 be a bit better for future-proofing? Thinking of getting a Playstation 4 for gaming as well.. Anyone tried 1080p games on the F4500?

Right now am torn between the 43F4500 and a random Toshiba 40L2400U 40 inch LED

A friend of mine said plasmas are unreliable and breaks sooner..

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Same boat with you! I'm buying a TV next week and still looking for one that suits me most.

I'm leaning towards the 43F4500 The only concerns about it would be its brightness (TV would be only 3 feet next to the sliding door where the balcony is) and the non-1080p resolution. That said, I'd mostly be using it during night time, except on weekends

Will be watching from a small space, distance from sofa and TV would be about 8 feet, hence why I prefer the 43 over 51 inch.

720p resolution would be fine at the moment as I'd only be watching HD channels (mainly sports) from the satellite dish (720p), but wouldn't the F5300 be a bit better for future-proofing? Thinking of getting a Playstation 4 for gaming as well.. Anyone tried 1080p games on the F4500?

Right now am torn between the 43F4500 and a random Toshiba 40L2400U 40 inch LED

A friend of mine said plasmas are unreliable and breaks sooner..
If you want to get the most out of your PS4 then yes, go with a 1080p set such as the 5300-- BUT, I have fed 1080p signals from my PC to the 4500 and watched 1080p movie clips and quite frankly, it looks great. Ive not tried a native 1080p game system on the set, but Ive heard from others that PS4 looks great on it. 1080p games will be downscaled (super-sampled) to 1024x768p on the set, and downscaling normally looks much better than upscaling. So while native is always best, super-sampling is the next best thing.

Personally, if given the choice, I'd rather game with a PS4 on the 4500 vs. a 1080p LCD, but thats just me. If you have room for a 51" though you might consider the 5300.
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So I have the PN43F4500BFXZA version of the 43" that I just picked up today. I talked with Samsung tech support and supposedly 1006.0 is the newest firmware (T-NT14LAKUC-1006.0)
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If you want to get the most out of your PS4 then yes, go with a 1080p set such as the 5300-- BUT, I have fed 1080p signals from my PC to the 4500 and watched 1080p movie clips and quite frankly, it looks great. Ive not tried a native 1080p game system on the set, but Ive heard from others that PS4 looks great on it. 1080p games will be downscaled (super-sampled) to 1024x768p on the set, and downscaling normally looks much better than upscaling. So while native is always best, super-sampling is the next best thing.

Personally, if given the choice, I'd rather game with a PS4 on the 4500 vs. a 1080p LCD, but thats just me. If you have room for a 51" though you might consider the 5300.
Hello Josh,

Thanks for the reply. Why would you prefer to game on the 4500 instead of a 1080p LCD? Wouldn't the higher resolution be nicer?

I am in Asia and seems that the only Samsung 1080p in stock now is the 51H5000, 5300 is out of stock everywhere. It's probably the same version as 60H5000 but 51 inch. That said, the unit is US$300 more and I'm not sure whether $300 justifies the resolution and size upgrade.
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Hello Josh,

Thanks for the reply. Why would you prefer to game on the 4500 instead of a 1080p LCD? Wouldn't the higher resolution be nicer?

I am in Asia and seems that the only Samsung 1080p in stock now is the 51H5000, 5300 is out of stock everywhere. It's probably the same version as 60H5000 but 51 inch. That said, the unit is US$300 more and I'm not sure whether $300 justifies the resolution and size upgrade.
I personally just love the image the 4500 produces-- the contrast, colors, and motion are great, and Im just not a fan of LCD tv's. I dont like how they look. I'd personally prefer an incredible 720p image over a mediocre 1080p one...especially within same price range.

Dont get me wrong now, if given the choice I would definitely choose a 1080p plasma over the 4500 if PS4 gaming would be its primary use.
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I personally just love the image the 4500 produces-- the contrast, colors, and motion are great, and Im just not a fan of LCD tv's. I dont like how they look. I'd personally prefer an incredible 720p image over a mediocre 1080p one...especially within same price range.

Dont get me wrong now, if given the choice I would definitely choose a 1080p plasma over the 4500 if PS4 gaming would be its primary use.
Just did some research regarding PS4. Pointless to buy at the moment, I'm going to stick with the PS3 for a while until they release titles worth buying

So 51F4500 it is! (or maybe the 43F4500)
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I got the 43 for the same reasons you mention. Most say "get the biggest tv you can fit." I went with something that will fit in a room and not dominate the setting. I could fit a 51 (even a 60) in the space, but I don't want it sticking out like a monolith.
I'd have to go with the 43" Samsung (or 42" LG) due to the TV opening in my entertainment cabinet. But if I could, I'd go with the 51".
I checked this weekend, and most BB stores in my area are sold out of the PN43F4500, but only 1 store about 30 min away has 3, though they said the on-line inventory was fine if you have it shipped from the warehouse to the home.
Hopefully in this next week I can make it there to check out.
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Just did some research regarding PS4. Pointless to buy at the moment, I'm going to stick with the PS3 for a while until they release titles worth buying

So 51F4500 it is! (or maybe the 43F4500)
The 51" in my opinion is the best value you can buy in a TV today. Perfect for PS3 gaming on down, OTA HD, etc. Looks great with DVDs and Blu Rays also. If you have the room, the 51" is the way to go.
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The 51" in my opinion is the best value you can buy in a TV today. Perfect for PS3 gaming on down, OTA HD, etc. Looks great with DVDs and Blu Rays also. If you have the room, the 51" is the way to go.
I'm in Asia and don't have the convenience of Best Buy or Amazon. The 43F4500 sells for $425 here, 51F4500 for $575, and 51H6000 for $675

I'll be watching from 7-8 feet, TV might be too big but I'll have a look at the store and see which one I prefer
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I'm in Asia and don't have the convenience of Best Buy or Amazon. The 43F4500 sells for $425 here, 51F4500 for $575, and 51H6000 for $675

I'll be watching from 7-8 feet, TV might be too big but I'll have a look at the store and see which one I prefer

I responded to your PM, but just realized you're in Asia. $150 more for the 51 inch is a bit much. I'd rather save the extra $$.
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I'd have to go with the 43" Samsung (or 42" LG) due to the TV opening in my entertainment cabinet. But if I could, I'd go with the 51".
I checked this weekend, and most BB stores in my area are sold out of the PN43F4500, but only 1 store about 30 min away has 3, though they said the on-line inventory was fine if you have it shipped from the warehouse to the home.
Hopefully in this next week I can make it there to check out.
Checked today, and the only BB store with the PN43F4500 in stock is about 40 away, and they only have 2, but said the distribution center has 85. So thinking it may be best just to order it on line with free shipping, as it can be returned at a local BB (15 min a way) if I need to within 15 days.

If I'm able to get the 10% movers coupon from the Post Office, can it be used for online purchases or only in store?
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Checked today, and the only BB store with the PN43F4500 in stock is about 40 away, and they only have 2, but said the distribution center has 85. So thinking it may be best just to order it on line with free shipping, as it can be returned at a local BB (15 min a way) if I need to within 15 days.

If I'm able to get the 10% movers coupon from the Post Office, can it be used for online purchases or only in store?
Dont know about the movers coupon, but online is the way to go.
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Almost pulled the trigger on a PN51F4500, but the screen door effect was horrendous on the display. Will that diminish with proper settings? Seemed very dark compared to the LED TVs. Will a brighter picture wash some of it out? Seating distance is approx 10'.

Buzz - how much to expect at 7300ft? I currently have 2 plasmas; 42" Panasonic Vierra and a 42" Sanyo. Love them both, and not a hint of buzz from either. Panny will be replaced as recent lightning strike took out her HDMI ports. She'll go in the basement and use the component inputs.
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Almost pulled the trigger on a PN51F4500, but the screen door effect was horrendous on the display. Will that diminish with proper settings? Seemed very dark compared to the LED TVs. Will a brighter picture wash some of it out? Seating distance is approx 10'.

Buzz - how much to expect at 7300ft? I currently have 2 plasmas; 42" Panasonic Vierra and a 42" Sanyo. Love them both, and not a hint of buzz from either. Panny will be replaced as recent lightning strike took out her HDMI ports. She'll go in the basement and use the component inputs.
Really want to stick with plasma if possible.
At 10ft there is no SDE, just a beautiful picture. Most likely you are only seeing it in the showroom because theres a 1080p set right next to it. In the home, at 10' theres no SDE, video looks identical to the 51F5300.

As far as the brightness in the showroom, Ive probably mentioned that 5 times already. You just have to believe it.
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At 10ft there is no SDE, just a beautiful picture. Most likely you are only seeing it in the showroom because theres a 1080p set right next to it. In the home, at 10' theres no SDE, video looks identical to the 51F5300.

As far as the brightness in the showroom, Ive probably mentioned that 5 times already. You just have to believe it.
If I buy this Plasma I won't have to use silly stuff like clear or led smoothing right? I'm getting really frustrated having to use that stuff with every led. Btw is screen door effect less on a 43 inch at 6-8 feet? Any pictures of this screen door effect thing?
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Fast motion on this set is fine. There is no blur that I can see.
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If I buy this Plasma I won't have to use silly stuff like clear or led smoothing right? I'm getting really frustrated having to use that stuff with every led. Btw is screen door effect less on a 43 inch at 6-8 feet? Any pictures of this screen door effect thing?
I posted several pictures of the set in action on this thread and others. Check them out. You wont see it.

Personally, I think the complaints about SDE on this set are blown way out of proportion. You may see it in the bright showroom next to a 1080p set, but I find at home its not an issue at all. Bright lights that make the plasma screen look dim will in turn make the "scan lines" in between the pixels more visible-- in the show room.

At home, the set doesnt look dim at all and in my opinion, exhibits no screen door effect at all, precisely because the pixels seem much brighter. If you get close enough you can see the pixels, but even at 5' (where we routinely eat meals on dinner trays in the bedroom in front of the set) I dont find it looks like looking through a screen door at all.
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Best Buy has the 5300 51 inch 1080p model for $499. If I was choosing a 51 inch tv, I'd get that over a $399 51 inch 4500. I have the 43 inch 4500 from Sam's Club at $278 and think it's a great value.

There is less SDE on the 43 inch b/c of the higher pixel density/smaller pixels than the 51 inch. I've had both size 4500's in my home and returned the 51 inch b/c I wanted something a bit smaller and had another use for the $ savings. With the right settings, SDE is hardly noticeable (especially on the 43 inch) unless you're looking for it or are sensitive to that effect like some people's eyes/brains seem to be.
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So I have the PN43F4500BFXZA version of the 43" that I just picked up today. I talked with Samsung tech support and supposedly 1006.0 is the newest firmware (T-NT14LAKUC-1006.0)
I have the same model. Did you happen to know what's new with the fw 1006 or how to get it? Doesn't appear to be on their download section.
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I couldn't agree more about SDE being blown out of proportion. If you visit the bright showroom and stand 1 foot away from the plasma, you will see SDE. From a viewing distance of 8 feet, I never notice it. I have both the 43" and 51" 4500 model.
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Pulled the trigger last night on the PN51F4500. Just a tad over $450 with a 3yr service contract ($38) and tax.
Will set it up tonight. I probably won't make any real display adjustments until it's had a couple hundred hours of burn in time, after that I'll peruse this entire thread for setup options.
The only spoiler will be if it has any buzz due to my elevation (7300ft).
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I posted several pictures of the set in action on this thread and others. Check them out. You wont see it.

Personally, I think the complaints about SDE on this set are blown way out of proportion. You may see it in the bright showroom next to a 1080p set, but I find at home its not an issue at all. Bright lights that make the plasma screen look dim will in turn make the "scan lines" in between the pixels more visible-- in the show room.

At home, the set doesnt look dim at all and in my opinion, exhibits no screen door effect at all, precisely because the pixels seem much brighter. If you get close enough you can see the pixels, but even at 5' (where we routinely eat meals on dinner trays in the bedroom in front of the set) I dont find it looks like looking through a screen door at all.
Got another question.

Does it have trailing like this during sports, TV shows when panning and/or video games? I do recall in my thread you stated Resident Evil 4 had a double image but I wasn't sure if it was like in this pic.
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Got another question.

Does it have trailing like this during sports, TV shows when panning and/or video games? I do recall in my thread you stated Resident Evil 4 had a double image but I wasn't sure if it was like in this pic.
No. From the looks of that pic, I'd say it was taken without a flash, which means low shutter speed-- that in turn means multiple video frames will be captured on the still.

In addition, being a soccer game on display, its highly likely the content is not 30fps, but 60fps-- which make multiple frame capture on slow ISO shutter speed all the more likely.

For a true test, use game or PC content and cover the flash on your camera with your finger when you snap-- this will enable a high shutter speed and make for a better test.
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Guys, don't fear SDE. Yes, it's there but it's not really a big deal. Not an F4500 owner, but I did use to own an LG plasma with the same resolution. (1024x768) Even with SDE, the presentation is very pleasant, almost CRT-like in delivering natural picture. I currently use a 27 inch Sony Wega Trinitron for retro consoles and never ever have I said "oh, that 480i SDE blows!" It's the same thing for the plasma as well. I was surprised too when my LG handled Blu-rays like a champ.

For games...yes, its weird 1024x768 resolution does cut out details from true 720p games, but still is hella better than using a 1080p set and upscaling it. (I'm now an owner of the Panasonic S60, and PS360 games look ass)

Oh, and keep in mind a plasma can get away with less brightness than LCDs because of superior black level, so don't get turned off when they look dim in a Best Buy showroom. I was initially turned off too like you were but then realized I was wrong.
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Here are some snapshots of panning motion on the F4500-- the first two shots are from a 30fps game (RE4), the last 3 shots are from a 60fps game (SC2).

Note that there is no ghosting effect on the 30fps game or the 60fps game with high ISO shutter speed. The last picture was taken with a low shutter speed on the 60fps game-- you can see that multiple frames were captured with the camera at a low shutter speed. I estimate the "low" shutter speed to be about 1/10th of a second, because I can count about 6 individual frames in the exposure. The high speed Im not sure about, but it must be at least 1/60th of a second.

So, in essence, there is no "double image" created by the set on 30 fps or 60fps motion. The double images you see in pictures are due to long or over exposure by the camera or your own brain, the set is not creating them. These shots were taken from about 3.5' from the screen-- note the lack of "SDE" in them as well. Even zoomed in on the original 3MP pictures there is no visible "SDE".

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The 51" in my opinion is the best value you can buy in a TV today. Perfect for PS3 gaming on down, OTA HD, etc. Looks great with DVDs and Blu Rays also. If you have the room, the 51" is the way to go.
Decided to get a 51F4500, I went to the store that most of my friends recommended, saying they have the best price in town.. and turned out they're more expensive than I thought!

They have the 51F4500 for $670 and 43F4500 for $450. The cheapest 51F4500 available here would be from an online store with a bad reputation for return policies. Don't think I'd go that route

Anyway, I was offered a good deal (here at least) for a 51F5500 for $630, anyone familiar with this model? I might opt for that one, considering it's cheaper than the 51F4500 and has 1080p, 3D, and smart features (not that I'd be using much of it but a 1080p model cheaper than a 720p has be a good deal, right?)

http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/t...PS51F5500ARXXM

I wish getting a TV is easy...
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Decided to get a 51F4500, I went to the store that most of my friends recommended, saying they have the best price in town.. and turned out they're more expensive than I thought!

They have the 51F4500 for $670 and 43F4500 for $450. The cheapest 51F4500 available here would be from an online store with a bad reputation for return policies. Don't think I'd go that route

Anyway, I was offered a good deal (here at least) for a 51F5500 for $630, anyone familiar with this model? I might opt for that one, considering it's cheaper than the 51F4500 and has 1080p, 3D, and smart features (not that I'd be using much of it but a 1080p model cheaper than a 720p has be a good deal, right?)

http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/t...PS51F5500ARXXM

I wish getting a TV is easy...
Well, you must be lucky, I would take the F5500. The only downside is that it does not have CMS or 10p white balance for proper calibration. But from what's owners say the PQ is awesome out of the box. I stand corrected but I think they use the same panel with F4500(reflective in bright light, though to me that's not a problem).
For that price reason take the F5500
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Well, you must be lucky, I would take the F5500. The only downside is that it does not have CMS or 10p white balance for proper calibration. But from what's owners say the PQ is awesome out of the box. I stand corrected but I think they use the same panel with F4500(reflective in bright light, though to me that's not a problem).
For that price reason take the F5500
Yes, I'm leaning towards that as well. Imagine a world where the F5500 is $40 cheaper than F4500... (that's where I'm in)
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