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I'd love to be able to rip my blu rays to a portable HD and plug it into the USB input on this TV. Anyone know the best method for encoding them for this TV? Thanks!!!!
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I've seen this on 3 out of 3 different versions of this TV. Apparently it is normal.
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@22point8 , correct me if am wrong but you have calibrated gamma BT1886, how different on this tv is it compared to 2.2 or 2.4? Mind sharing the settings.
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Got intrested with these settings after seeing them calibrated in Native Colorspace and had my reservations. Though we advocate for not copying settings, I plugged them in just to see what would happen. Well I have to say this is the best I have seen Native Colorspace calibrated. Thanks to bncm

Picture mode: Movie
Cell Light: 13
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 48
Sharpness : 5
Color: 50
Tint(G/R): 50/50

Advance Settings
ColorSpace: NATIVE
Gamma: 0
Dynamic Contrast: 0
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Tone: Warm 2

White Balance 2Pt
Offsets: 
R:31
G:25
B:26
Gains:
R:34
G:25
B:25

10pt white balance
                        R, G, B
Int1.               4, 3, 4
Int12.              1,   1,    2
Int3.                -4,-4,-5
Int4.               -1,   -1,  -3
Int5.               -2,  -2,  -2
Int6.              3,     3,     3
Int7.             -2,   -2,   -4
Int8.            3,    3,       3
Int9.           -3,   0,       2
Int10.          0,    0,      4

Black Optimizer: Dark Room
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@22point8 , correct me if am wrong but you have calibrated gamma BT1886, how different on this tv is it compared to 2.2 or 2.4? Mind sharing the settings.
Things to bear in mind, if you only measure 11 points for greyscale you only get a limited idea of what the white balance and gamma is actually doing and the average isn't accurate. Adjusting white balance its better to use APL patterns (8% window size 25% APL), for adjusting gamma its better to use window patterns (I use 6% size). For BT1886 its better to use patterns that produce the lowest black level for example 0.023cdm2 with 6% windows vs 0.049cdm2 with the APL pattern.

Ok,STANDARD/WARM2/GAMMA=0: This is what I use for 60hz. The average gamma is 2.27 over 11 measurements (10% intervals)
10= 2.14
20= 2.24
30= 2.29
40= 2.35
50= 2.33
60= 2.29
70= 2.27
80= 2.27
90= 2.28

This looks very good.

Now, PC MODE/WARM 2/GAMMA=0: The average gamma is 2.21 over 21 measurements (5% intervals)
10= 2.22
20= 2.27
30= 2.22
40= 2.30
50= 2.26
60= 2.22
70= 2.20
80= 2.19
90= 2.14

More consistant that STANDARD, and more ABL resistance, but no black optimiser.


Now, MOVIE/WARM 2/GAMMA=0: Calibrated to 2.22 @96hz the average gamma is 2.24 over 51 measurements (2% intervals)

Contrast 98/ Brightness 43
WB:26/24/25/17/26/25
10= 2.22 (1,1,1)
20= 2.23 (4,0,3)
30= 2.25 (3.2,2)
40= 2.26 (1,0,4)
50= 2.26 (-2,2,1)
60= 2.27 (-4,2,0)
70= 2.28 (-5,-1,1)
80= 2.24 (-6,0,0)
90= 2.38 (5,2,-2)
100= (3,0,1)

This also looks a bit better because the 10 point white balance makes the gamma more linear.

Now, MOVIE/WARM 2/GAMMA=0: Calibrated to BT1886 with an effective gamma of 2.2 (normally 2.4), this makes a gamma that is mostly 2.2, but with boosted shadow detail. Average gamma is 2.15 over 51 measurements (2% intervals). Average over the figures below is 2.18

Contrast 98/ Brightness 43
WB:23/25/23/19/27/24
00= 0.023cdm2
10= 2.10 (0,1,2)
20= 2.15 (3,3,4)
30= 2.19 (1,3,4)
40= 2.22 (-1,3,6)
50= 2.21 (-3,2,2)
60= 2.18 (-5,3,4)
70= 2.16 (-8,0,2)
80= 2.16 (-7,2,4)
90= 2.27 (2,2,0)
100= 135.826cdm2 (0,0,2)

This is slightly better again than 2.2 gamma. Red becomes slightly desaturated, but still under 3 dE. Max dE over 551 measurements is 2.55.
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Hey Guys,

I have a PN51F4500 and I get a bunch of red and green dots on the screen for about 30 seconds or so after the TV is first turned on. Then, they disappear. It does not bother me that there are dots on the screen for only the first 30 seconds or so when I first turn on the TV, but, I was just wondering if this is anything to be concerned about? Is it a sign of something wrong with the TV or a sign of something that could get worse in the future? Anyone experience this as well?
My AFXZA revision does not do this, but my BFXZA, which just had the Y-Sustain board replaced under warranty, does do it every now and then.

The issue the Y-sustain board was causing was some red creeping pixels in the upper left quadrant of the screen, which got progressively worse as the TV warmed up.

The board seemed to fix the problem though.

Displays: Samsung PN51F5300BFXA, PN51F4500AFXA, PN51F4500BFXA

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I'd love to be able to rip my blu rays to a portable HD and plug it into the USB input on this TV. Anyone know the best method for encoding them for this TV? Thanks!!!!
The best way I have found is to use MakeMKV, currently it is free. I've had success reading the .mkv files with my PN43F4500 and using a portable hard drive. The files from MakeMKV are generally fairly large from blu-ray's, about 25-35 GB, so sometimes I will re-encode with Handbrake and can reduce the file size by 50% or more, depending on resolution and other settings.
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The best way I have found is to use MakeMKV, currently it is free. I've had success reading the .mkv files with my PN43F4500 and using a portable hard drive. The files from MakeMKV are generally fairly large from blu-ray's, about 25-35 GB, so sometimes I will re-encode with Handbrake and can reduce the file size by 50% or more, depending on resolution and other settings.
Thanks! Can u tell me what settings u used (from default) on makeMKV and handbrake? I would be happy with 720p. Thanks!!
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Thanks! Can u tell me what settings u used (from default) on makeMKV and handbrake? I would be happy with 720p. Thanks!!
Lifehacker has put a good guide together for how to rip blu-rays, their recommended settings work well.
I can't post links yet but if you do a quick search for "The Hassle-Free Guide to Ripping Your Blu-Ray Collection", it should come up.
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Thanks to Josh and 22point8 for all of the info on this TV. You guys are the reason I just got one. Ive read this entire thread twice before deciding.

I picked up the 51" on Saturday for super cheap. 10/2014 Manufacture date. No bad pixels, does not get very warm if at all, no buzzing unless I put my head to the back of the tv. Ive run it non stop for 48 hours so far. Been watching normal fullscreen stuff off Netflix and HboGo through a PS3 and some OTA stuff but not much, and lots of .MKVs off a USB thumb drive. So far its played everything Ive thrown at it. When sleeping and not home been playing the RBG slides off the usb drive.

Using these settings so far for the break in period:

Movie Mode

Cell light - 10
Contrast - 50
Brightntess - 45
Warm 2

Everything else normal.

I turned it off a few times as I set it up but now its been running over 48 hours straight. Thats fine right? Its not warm, screen looks good so far.

I have the chance to mount it tomorrow. Is a $20 slim mount from Fry's ok to use? Ive never mounted one.

I have a PS3 hooked to it now. I also have a WiiU I could hook up. But tomorrow I have the chance to test out a PS4 which I would like to play MGSV on when it comes out. Ive read your thoughts Josh, that a PS4 down sampled should look fine on this. Has anyone actually done any PS4 gaming on this set yet? Any setting tips? Like just leave it at 1080p and let the tv do the rest?

Since Im still in the early hours of this break in, how long could I play a game on it with a HUD before I should give it a rest? Or is it best to wait?

Can anyone recommend a cheap DAC they used to run this to an older stereo system that sounds good?

Anyways, coming from an 07 40" Bravia that I really love, this TV is really nice. Also it seems giant in my small house. I sit 9 feet back and can't see any SDE. Infact I can't see any 6 feet away and I have 20/20 vision. Seems like there really are no drawbacks to this TV minus resolution for newer games. And I can't imagine that will bother me that much. I will know more after I see the PS4 on it.
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Things to bear in mind, if you only measure 11 points for greyscale you only get a limited idea of what the white balance and gamma is actually doing and the average isn't accurate. Adjusting white balance its better to use APL patterns (8% window size 25% APL), for adjusting gamma its better to use window patterns (I use 6% size). For BT1886 its better to use patterns that produce the lowest black level for example 0.023cdm2 with 6% windows vs 0.049cdm2 with the APL pattern.

Ok,STANDARD/WARM2/GAMMA=0: This is what I use for 60hz. The average gamma is 2.27 over 11 measurements (10% intervals)
10= 2.14
20= 2.24
30= 2.29
40= 2.35
50= 2.33
60= 2.29
70= 2.27
80= 2.27
90= 2.28

This looks very good.

Now, PC MODE/WARM 2/GAMMA=0: The average gamma is 2.21 over 21 measurements (5% intervals)
10= 2.22
20= 2.27
30= 2.22
40= 2.30
50= 2.26
60= 2.22
70= 2.20
80= 2.19
90= 2.14

More consistant that STANDARD, and more ABL resistance, but no black optimiser.


Now, MOVIE/WARM 2/GAMMA=0: Calibrated to 2.22 @96hz the average gamma is 2.24 over 51 measurements (2% intervals)

Contrast 98/ Brightness 43
WB:26/24/25/17/26/25
10= 2.22 (1,1,1)
20= 2.23 (4,0,3)
30= 2.25 (3.2,2)
40= 2.26 (1,0,4)
50= 2.26 (-2,2,1)
60= 2.27 (-4,2,0)
70= 2.28 (-5,-1,1)
80= 2.24 (-6,0,0)
90= 2.38 (5,2,-2)
100= (3,0,1)

This also looks a bit better because the 10 point white balance makes the gamma more linear.

Now, MOVIE/WARM 2/GAMMA=0: Calibrated to BT1886 with an effective gamma of 2.2 (normally 2.4), this makes a gamma that is mostly 2.2, but with boosted shadow detail. Average gamma is 2.15 over 51 measurements (2% intervals). Average over the figures below is 2.18

Contrast 98/ Brightness 43
WB:23/25/23/19/27/24
00= 0.023cdm2
10= 2.10 (0,1,2)
20= 2.15 (3,3,4)
30= 2.19 (1,3,4)
40= 2.22 (-1,3,6)
50= 2.21 (-3,2,2)
60= 2.18 (-5,3,4)
70= 2.16 (-8,0,2)
80= 2.16 (-7,2,4)
90= 2.27 (2,2,0)
100= 135.826cdm2 (0,0,2)

This is slightly better again than 2.2 gamma. Red becomes slightly desaturated, but still under 3 dE. Max dE over 551 measurements is 2.55.
I've been using one of your settings you posted for your 1000 hour set.
My 43" has now hit 1200 hours (use Movie not Standard) cable and Blu-Ray.
Which WB and Color space settings would you recomend at this point?

Also, one of the channels that my mom watches during the dat has a constant logo on the top-right, and I've noticed last week a slight image retention or burn in of that logo. I've used the set's scrolling burn in, and the RGB slides, and it's not as noticeable but I still see it on bright images. Any advice or getting rid of it?
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I recommend this on mode 4 and dynamic http://beginwithsoftware.com/videogu.../#.VL5-30qsXq2.
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I'm surprised to see a lot of you with contrast settings in the mid to high 90s.

For years I've read -- regardless of the TV -- the first thing we're supposed to do is turn the contrast level way down. Why is this TV an exception? Those contrast settings sound painfully bright. Does the PQ suffer with contrast in the 60-70 range?
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[QUOTE=Birddoggin;31054946]I'm surprised to see a lot of you with contrast settings in the mid to high 90s.

For years I've read -- regardless of the TV -- the first thing we're supposed to do is turn the contrast level way down. Why is this TV an exception? Those contrast settings sound painfully bright. Does the PQ suffer with contrast in the 60-70 range?[/QUOTE

Using a checkerboard pattern, whith the contrast and cell light maxed out, this particular Plasma display produces around 100 cd/m2. This is within the recommended range of 80-120 cd/m2.

This would be a different story for a LCD with a peak white level of 200 cd/m2. In that case maxing the contrast in the 90s would definitely be painfully bright.
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At 180 hours now. Got the TV wall mounted. Velcroed a Mohu Leaf to the back of it. Love the guide feature it has for OTA channels! PS4 looks great on it. Played Ground Zeroes and Gta and both look great when in fast motion as in spinning the camera super fast and whatnot. Way more fluid than my Sony Bravia Lcd. BluRays at 24fps with CS on through my PS3 looks amazing also.

I'm not sure if I've missed it it somewhere in the thread but does anyone have any basic settings for USB Playing MKVs?
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Also have contrast settings in the low 90s to upper 80s.
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