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My gray bars with colr turned down are yellowy blue(I'll double check this later too confirm).the brightest white square on the bottom is blueish.

Since you've been looking at the test chart, would mind having another look and letting me know whether the penultimate grey bar is exactly the same shade as the fully black one to the left of it?
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Tao-On mine they are different shades.This pattern has 9 bars across top.theres all sorts of different bar patterns around.my brightness setting is about 9 over where dithering starts as I have lights in room..and gamma -1.

Broadus-one reason I got the 1024 tv is because I watch a lot of SD.If I got 1080 then I'd notice the difference between HD and SD more.1024 gives more consistency among all the channels..On mine dark programs almost always look realclear,but bright programs like hockey can look not so clear sometimes because of the abl.

As far as grayscale(color of bars with color at zero),there can be variances as too what color temperature looks best as it depends whether you watch a lot of light or dark programs.Maybe bars yellowy,blue with some red looks best(don't drive yourself crazy adjusting it)..Warm2 is awlays the closest too best setting. .all the picture control affect each other in some way.Plasmas can also have voltage issues that can change the color temperature slightly on bright screens,but voltage issues took abit over a year become Noticable on mine.
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Broadus-one reason I got the 1024 tv is because I watch a lot of SD.If I got 1080 then I'd notice the difference between HD and SD more.1024 gives more consistency among all the channels..On mine dark programs almost always look realclear,but bright programs like hockey can look not so clear sometimes because of the abl.
 

 

Understood. Thanks for the explanation.

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Turning sharpness up helps the blur on mine.Having sharpness at zero like people often recommend is way blurry on mine.Another thing on mine is Image retention has gotten worse(not sure if this part of the voltage issue I'm having).Does anyone know?

Seems like plasmas can be better than LCD when theyre working well, but they can have various little problems that can affect picture quality in the present and future.lcds seem more stable.
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Tao-On mine they are different shades.This pattern has 9 bars across top.theres all sorts of different bar patterns around.my brightness setting is about 9 over where dithering starts as I have lights in room..and gamma -1.

Broadus-one reason I got the 1024 tv is because I watch a lot of SD.If I got 1080 then I'd notice the difference between HD and SD more.1024 gives more consistency among all the channels..On mine dark programs almost always look realclear,but bright programs like hockey can look not so clear sometimes because of the abl.

As far as grayscale(color of bars with color at zero),there can be variances as too what color temperature looks best as it depends whether you watch a lot of light or dark programs.Maybe bars yellowy,blue with some red looks best(don't drive yourself crazy adjusting it)..Warm2 is awlays the closest too best setting. .all the picture control affect each other in some way.Plasmas can also have voltage issues that can change the color temperature slightly on bright screens,but voltage issues took abit over a year become Noticable on mine.
I picked out this TV strictly because of its quality and its size. If the Panasonic TC-P42S60 was still around, I would have grabbed it. If Samsung made a 1080p version with HDMI control, I would have grabbed that one, even if it was closer to $1,000. But for my quality and size requirements, this Samsung PN43F4500 is the best I think I'm going to be able to do at this time. If possible, I'd rather have a 1080p TV and be able to tell the difference between my SD DVDs and Blu-rays. In fact, isn't 1024x768 almost twice the resolution of 720x480? I think even on the Samsung PN43F4500, you can still notice a difference between DVDs and Blu-rays, which I think is a good thing, so you can appreciate everything in your collection even more.
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Tao-On mine they are different shades.This pattern has 9 bars across top.theres all sorts of different bar patterns around.my brightness setting is about 9 over where dithering starts as I have lights in room..and gamma -1.

Thanks Vic, that's very helpful to know! I think I have some sort of issue with mine...
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I have been experimenting with the different Color Space modes. I have noticed that Native seems to accent Green too much. Auto seems to add a slightly reddish tint to Cyan. Custom seems most consistent. After a few hours of work, I came up with ... another template. Here it is!




Option - Dynamic - Standard - Movie



Cell Light - 20 - 20 - 20

Contrast - 100 - 100 - 100

Brightness - 64 - 45 - 45

Sharpness - 0 - 0 - 0

Color - 50 - 50 - 50

Tint (G/R) - G50/R50 - G50/R50 - G50/R50

Dynamic Contrast - NA*1 - Off - Off

Black Tone - NA*1 - Off - Off

RGB Mode - NA*1 - Off - Off

Flesh Tone - NA*1 - 0 - 0

Color Space - NA*1 - Custom - Custom

Color - NA*1 - Red - Red

R - NA*1 - 100 - 100

G - NA*1 - 0 - 0

B - NA*1 - 0 - 0

Color - NA*1 - Green - Green

R - NA*1 - 0 - 0

G - NA*1 - 100 - 100

B - NA*1 - 0 - 0

Color - NA*1 - Blue - Blue

R - NA*1 - 0 - 0

G - NA*1 - 0 - 0

B - NA*1 - 100 - 100

Color - NA*1 - Yellow - Yellow

R - NA*1 - 100 - 100

G - NA*1 - 100 - 100

B - NA*1 - 0 - 0

Color - NA*1 - Cyan - Cyan

R - NA*1 - 0 - 0

G - NA*1 - 100 - 100

B - NA*1 - 100 - 100

Color - NA*1 - Magenta - Magenta

R - NA*1 - 100 - 100

G - NA*1 - 0 - 0

B - NA*1 - 100 - 100

R Offset - NA*1 - 35 - 35

G Offset - NA*1 - 35 - 35

B Offset - NA*1 - 35 - 35

R Gain - NA*1 - 25 - 25

G Gain - NA*1 - 25 - 25

B Gain - NA*1 - 25 - 25

10P White Balance - NA*1*2 - NA*2 - Off

Gamma - NA*1 - 0 - 0

Motion Lighting - NA*1 - Off - Off

Color Temperature - Standard - Standard - Standard

Black Optimizer - Off - Off - Off

Digital Clean View - Off - Off - Off

MPEG Noise Filter - Off - Off - Off

HDMI Black Level - NA*3 - NA*3 - NA*3

Film Mode - Off - Off - Off

(*1)The Advanced Settings are not available in Dynamic mode.

(*2) 10P White Balance is not available in Dynamic or Standard modes.

(*3)When inputting unprocessed YCbCr4:2:2 HDTV, Blu-ray, and DVD sources, HDMI black level is not available.


I watched the 2008 SD DVD edition of "Night of the Living Dead" remastered in color and flesh tones were not red, but very present. Tomorrow, I'm going to watch something more recent, already filmed in color. If it turns out that flesh tones are a little too red for comfort, I might change all my color space values to 50. If so, I'll post an updated template.
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You don't find the picture a little cool with the Standard color tone? I've had it set to Warm2, so I'm used to that. However, the only way to get whites to look white is to follow your settings. I'm interested in your update because I found flesh tones to be a little lacking. I've had my PN43F4500 for only a couple weeks so far and I haven't updated the firmware yet. Also, I wanted to let it break in a little before using my WOW Blu-Ray.
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I've settled on the Custom color space with no changes to the CMS. Color at 51. Tint at G49/R51. This seems to be pretty balanced, but not perfect.

Movie
Warm 2
Cell: 18
Contrast: 88
Brightness: 46
Black level: Normal
Cinema Smooth on
Dark Room
Gamma +1
Eco sensor, Dynamic Contrast, Motion Lighting, MPEG filter, Black tone, Flesh tone: all off
I haven't messed with the offsets or CMS. I'll get to those when I have a meter as I don't think you can really accurately eyeball those.
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You don't find the picture a little cool with the Standard color tone? I've had it set to Warm2, so I'm used to that. However, the only way to get whites to look white is to follow your settings. I'm interested in your update because I found flesh tones to be a little lacking. I've had my PN43F4500 for only a couple weeks so far and I haven't updated the firmware yet. Also, I wanted to let it break in a little before using my WOW Blu-Ray.
Are you talking about my settings in post #188? Does cool mean yellows looking slightly green and reds looking slightly pink? I'd rather that than reds and yellows look orange. I'm a horror movie fan. Anyway, if you haven't updated to Ver. 1027.2, you might want to try it. If there is something later, please let us know!
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I've settled on the Custom color space with no changes to the CMS. Color at 51. Tint at G49/R51. This seems to be pretty balanced, but not perfect.

Movie
Warm 2
Cell: 18
Contrast: 88
Brightness: 46
Black level: Normal
Cinema Smooth on
Dark Room
Gamma +1
Eco sensor, Dynamic Contrast, Motion Lighting, MPEG filter, Black tone, Flesh tone: all off
I haven't messed with the offsets or CMS. I'll get to those when I have a meter as I don't think you can really accurately eyeball those.
I did play with the 10p White Balance. I was only able to see a difference with grays, even after raising all 10 intervals. I'll try it again today and see if I could figure out how to make it even brighter via the 10p white balance options.
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That makes sense as its about getting your white accurate. If whites are off, colors are going to suffer.
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My settings still tops yours gentlemen
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I've settled on the Custom color space with no changes to the CMS. Color at 51. Tint at G49/R51. This seems to be pretty balanced, but not perfect.

Movie
Warm 2
Cell: 18
Contrast: 88
Brightness: 46
Black level: Normal
Cinema Smooth on
Dark Room
Gamma +1
Eco sensor, Dynamic Contrast, Motion Lighting, MPEG filter, Black tone, Flesh tone: all off
I haven't messed with the offsets or CMS. I'll get to those when I have a meter as I don't think you can really accurately eyeball those.
I did play with the 10p White Balance. I was only able to see a difference with grays, even after raising all 10 intervals. I'll try it again today and see if I could figure out how to make it even brighter via the 10p white balance options.
When setting all RGB levels to +10 for all 10 intervals of the 10p white balance, it appears to do the same as raising the RGB offsets a hair higher, and because I already have my contrast at 100 and RGB Offsets at 35, by raising the RGB levels to +10 for all 10 intervals of the 10p White Balance, I get a tiny bit of white blur. So after I played with it, I reset all the intervals to RGB 0 and turned off the 10p White Balance. When set to 0, it doesn't make a difference whether it's turned off or on.

I am glad I compared the three Color Space modes and messed around with the RGB levels for each color provided by the Custom mode. I watched the "Scream" 2011 Blu-ray US release and flesh tones weren't red, but were very present. Just when I thought I couldn't improve upon this TV, I love the results of my template in post #188! I don't have a meter, nor do I plan on getting one. Maybe I haven't moved on from the past yet, but I love the deep blacks and rich colors from the days of CRTs. Yet I don't think they made 43" widescreen CRTs. So this plasma basicly combines the color and contrast of a CRT (especially with my template from post #188) with the widescreen shape of today's LCDs, providing a near-movie-theatre experience!
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Try this
--Picture menu
Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 20
Contrast: 99
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50

Picture size submenu:
Picture Size: Screen Fit

Advanced settings submenu:
Dynamic contrast: Off
Black tone: Off
Flesh tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color space: Custom
White Balance: [see below]
10p White Balance: On
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
Motion Lighting: Off

Color Space submenu:
Color Space: Custom
Red: Red 45, Green 5, Blue 3
Green: Red 15, Green 48, Blue 1
Blue: Red 2, Green 0, Blue 48
Yellow: Red 50, Green 51, Blue 7
Cyan: Red 16, Green 49, Blue 50
Magenta: Red 46, Green 3, Blue 48
White balance submenu:
R-Offset: 28
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 29
R-Gain: 29
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 28

10p White Balance submenu:
Interval 1: Red -3, Green -4, Blue -4
Interval 2: Red 0, Green -1, Blue -1
Interval 3: Red 0, Green 0, Blue +1
Interval 4: Red 0, Green 0, Blue +2
Interval 5: Red 0, Green 0, Blue -1
Interval 6: Red -1, Green -1, Blue -3
Interval 7: Red -1, Green +1, Blue -2
Interval 8: Red -2, Green -2, Blue -2
Interval 9: Red +1, Green +1, Blue +1
Interval 10: Red +1, Green 0, Blue -4
Picture options submenu
Color tone: Warm2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film mode: Off
Black optimizer: Dark room
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Or this
--Picture menu
Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 20
Contrast: 99
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 48
Tint: G51/R49

Picture size submenu:
Picture Size: Screen Fit

Advanced settings submenu:
Dynamic contrast: Off
Black tone: Off
Flesh tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color space: Custom
White Balance: [see below]
10p White Balance: Off
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
Motion Lighting: Off

Color Space submenu:
Color Space: Custom
Red: Red 47, Green 3, Blue 4
Green: Red 15, Green 49, Blue 0
Blue: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 50
Yellow: Red 50, Green 51, Blue 2
Cyan: Red 17, Green 50, Blue 50
Magenta: Red 48, Green 7, Blue 50
White balance submenu:
R-Offset: 28
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 27
R-Gain: 29
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 26

10p White Balance: Off
Picture options submenu
Color tone: Warm2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film mode: Off
Black optimizer: Dark room
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I give credit to PlasmaPZ80U for his settings on a 51f5300. I see a significant improvement over just using Disney wow in movie mode. I used cal-day for the first set and used the second cal settings for movie mode.
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Hmmm. I didn't notice much difference when trying all the Black Optimizer modes. Could it be that the differences are subtle and that I'm expecting too much? Is Black Optimizer adjusting the black level of the panel itself or of the video signal before it reaches the panel?
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Sorry spimm no good
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I don't understand the scientifics behind the Black Optimizer. Does it adjust the black level of the video signal before it reaches the panel? Does it adjust the black level of the panel itself? Does it apply some kind of auto-leveling based on changes in the picture as they occur? Whatever it does, I tried comparing Off, Dark Room, Bright Room, and Auto, but didn't notice a difference. Are the differences subtle? Am I expecting too much from the Black Optimizer? Until I understand the scientifics behind it, I'm going to leave it off, just in case it's some kind of fancy auto-leveling or something. I'm just curious as to what it does. I have no complaints. The TV is miles ahead of LCD TVs costing twice to four times as much!
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I don't understand this need for the darkest black possible. Not everything that's black is dark black. I like variations in color. My set is still factory mode except for the screen burn protection and audio settings.

I remember when products were built to last.
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I don't understand this need for the darkest black possible. Not everything that's black is dark black. I like variations in color. My set is still factory mode except for the screen burn protection and audio settings.
The idea is that what is supposed to be pitch black, based on the material, will be displayed that way on screen.
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For the money I'm happy. To each Their own.

I remember when products were built to last.
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Sorry spimm no good
I have to disagree. I found the second set to be pretty accurate using DVE. Not perfect, of course, but pretty good.

I don't feel like other people's settings are going to be perfect for everyone's TV anyway.
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Sorry spimm no good

You complain that people don't answer your questions, yet when they do, you ignore their answers.
I have responded to at least two of your queries in this thread...

Why won't you please tell us who and how you calibrated your plasma?

I'm like a beaver...
A hot little beaver...
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I'm sorry I have a life and I get tied up, but why does it matter hoe I got them you tried them and you like them? So why and if it pleases you to know I have many friends in geek squad so il leave it at that
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Sabansosic, 

 

I have no doubt that your settings work for you and may produce pleasing results for others, but the way you present yourself in this thread isn't very conducive to open dialogue. Claiming that your settings are "better" than other people's when you don't care to prove the accuracy or provide the methodology to your calibration techniques other than "I have many friends in Geek Squad" isn't going to win you many friends here, bud. If you'll have one of your Geek Squad friends provide a chart or some kind of reference material to the calibration they did on your set, that would be beneficial to the other followers of this thread. 

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Actually he did give us beneficial information by showing that GS is NOT someone you want to calibrate your display.
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I don't understand the scientifics behind the Black Optimizer. Does it adjust the black level of the video signal before it reaches the panel? Does it adjust the black level of the panel itself? Does it apply some kind of auto-leveling based on changes in the picture as they occur? Whatever it does, I tried comparing Off, Dark Room, Bright Room, and Auto, but didn't notice a difference. Are the differences subtle? Am I expecting too much from the Black Optimizer? Until I understand the scientifics behind it, I'm going to leave it off, just in case it's some kind of fancy auto-leveling or something. I'm just curious as to what it does. I have no complaints. The TV is miles ahead of LCD TVs costing twice to four times as much!
So what is the science behind the Black Optimizer?
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Standard
Cell light 18
Contrast 92
Brightness 48 on a bright day and 46 in a dark night
Sharpness 20 for hd video games and 30 for hdtv 40 for non hd signal
Color 48
Tint g51 r49
Advanced setting color space for
Red 44-4-4
Green 11-46-4
Blue 0-0-55
Yellow 52-52-4
Cyan 10-50-50
Magenta 48-0-48
White balance 22,26,25,26,24,27
Gamma usually 0 but sometimes it's necessary to put it up +1
Everything els stays the same or off
Now color tone Is usually for games is cool but regular viewing is standard
Now if you do not have hd signal for your dish ect you can use digital clean view on high and MPEG noise filter high as well and film mode on Auto1 make sure it's on that and not on auto 2 for they are completely different things and black optimizer for dark room usually but if necessary you can use bright room
That's it let me know what you think.

I posted earlier in this thread I thought the CNET picture settings from last year's model were the best for the PN43F4500. I stand corrected after switching over to sabansosic93's settings. After two months of owning this plasma, I can finally say I'm no longer going to be fiddling with optimizing the picture. It's calibrated perfectly to my personal preferences. Thanks for posting these!
These aren't too bad.
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