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Two more days! Well, that's what BB said when I ordered it a while ago. If BB is going to cancel or reschedule when do they usually call? I don't want to take the day off if they're just going to stand me up.

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HTwaits -- small red light. Much more inconspicuous than on the VT50. I watched some TV yesterday. I've found my Kuro replacement. Blacks look really good. But more than that there is something subtle and better about this picture. I don't know how to put it into words -- balances, refined, natural? It's more like the 3D image the Kuro gave. Now I have to decide what to do abut the vertical band running down the right hand side and the stuck pixel that won't go away.
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HTwaits -- small red light. Much more inconspicuous than on the VT50. I watched some TV yesterday. I've found my Kuro replacement. Blacks look really good. But more than that there is something subtle and better about this picture. I don't know how to put it into words -- balances, refined, natural? It's more like the 3D image the Kuro gave. Now I have to decide what to do abut the vertical band running down the right hand side and the stuck pixel that won't go away.



So the vertical band is noticeable during regular content?
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On slides. But I haven't watched a lot of content yet.
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I have the vertical band as well. I think we all do. Mine is the same location. about 1 inch in on the right. Though it is very faint and has gotten better over time to where it is not as noticeable. Even then I only saw it on slides of certain colors and I have not yet seen it on regular content.

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Those kind of vertical lines can be seen on all plasma, however, seeing how clear it is on your panel, in the exact same place, I do not think that it is ideal. Same panels exhibit this more.
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Okay. Poll please. Who would return a plasma that is perfectly good over 1 stuck pixel that isn't easily seen on all colors or settings -- in fact it disappears in some colors --- can't be seen in black material and can't be seen unless you're 3 feet or closer to the set. As a business man I know it costs BB and Panasonic a bunch to take returns and am hesitant to do that. But as a consumer I think, "Darn it. I paid 4G for a TV -- it should be perfect.

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Okay. Poll please. Who would return a plasma that is perfectly good over 1 stuck pixel that isn't easily seen on all colors or settings -- in fact it disappears in some colors --- can't be seen in black material and can't be seen unless you're 3 feet or closer to the set. As a business man I know it costs BB and Panasonic a bunch to take returns and am hesitant to do that. But as a consumer I think, "Darn it. I paid 4G for a TV -- it should be perfect.

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If u sit closer than 3 feet return it. If not no.

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Okay. Poll please. Who would return a plasma that is perfectly good over 1 stuck pixel that isn't easily seen on all colors or settings -- in fact it disappears in some colors --- can't be seen in black material and can't be seen unless you're 3 feet or closer to the set. As a business man I know it costs BB and Panasonic a bunch to take returns and am hesitant to do that. But as a consumer I think, "Darn it. I paid 4G for a TV -- it should be perfect.

Thanks!

I know some would return it as just knowing its there would be bothersome. Also there is the thing, if you return it who knows what other problems you may get. I would try running some full screen content like Pixar movies to see if you can get it "unstuck"
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I'd return the TV if it had a malfunctioning pixel right out of the box. Mainly because just knowing about it would drive me nuts but also to document the problem and to give Panasonic the financial incentive to fix it.

I say it would drive me nuts but I've had a line one pixel wide down the right side of my plasma for a couple of years now and I hardly ever notice it. Hmmm, now that I think about it the line is about an inch from the right edge of the screen, the same place as this band that's being reported. Coincidence?

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Thanks for the feedback Guys. I started documentation on this with BB -- got a case number -- just in case it worsens or is early evidence of a set that has latent problems.
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http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Video-Essentials-Basics-Blu-ray/dp/B000V6LST0

Does this blu ray have break in slides?

Can someone point me, with a link, to a thread where I'll find slides and instructions? I've spent the past three hours reading this thread and others, searching for DNice's slides, ETC, and have not found anything. I'm new to home theater and would appreciate a helping hand.
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http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Video-Essentials-Basics-Blu-ray/dp/B000V6LST0

Does this blu ray have break in slides?

Can someone point me, with a link, to a thread where I'll find slides and instructions? I've spent the past three hours reading this thread and others, searching for DNice's slides, ETC, and have not found anything. I'm new to home theater and would appreciate a helping hand.
The DVE has all the usual test patterns but it doesn't have the slides. They can be found here.
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The DVE has all the usual test patterns but it doesn't have the slides. They can be found here.

Thank you for your help!
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Rival forum, rival opinions?

http://www.highdefforum.com/hdtv-calibration/132856-plasma-myths-legends.html

This thread seems to suggest that break in on my ZT60 is unnecessary! What do you lot say?
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Rival forum, rival opinions?

http://www.highdefforum.com/hdtv-calibration/132856-plasma-myths-legends.html

This thread seems to suggest that break in on my ZT60 is unnecessary! What do you lot say?
The only purpose of the slides and "breaking in" a plasma is to accelerate the calming of the phosphors in preparation for professional calibration. A number of people run them anyway and then use posted calibration settings. Considering the calibration settings can vary by unit I'm not sure there's much value in this. But because it's an expensive hobby and because sometimes doing anything feels more productive than doing nothing, it can be compelling to participate in a ritual of dubious merit if it gives one peace of mind.
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The only purpose of the slides and "breaking in" a plasma is to accelerate the calming of the phosphors in preparation for professional calibration. A number of people run them anyway and then use posted calibration settings. Considering the calibration settings can vary by unit I'm not sure there's much value in this. But because it's an expensive hobby and because sometimes doing anything feels more productive than doing nothing, it can be compelling to participate in a ritual of dubious Cerit if it gives one peace of mind.

Cheers, mate! I appreciate the insight. I have a free calibration coming to me from Best Buy since I'll be a silver rewards zone member for having purchased this TV, except I've heard their calibrations are not any better than what I could do myself.

I intend to use THX Cinema mode for a while, and then test out the DIY calibration disc I bought (Disney World of WOW!), since it seems easy enough for beginners.

Then, maybe in a year or two, I'd spring for a professional calibration.

Keep in mind, I'm coming up from a Vizio 720P 26" screen that had all sorts of visual problems ETC. So any way I slice it, I'm going to be satisfied with the ZT60.
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Cheers, mate! I appreciate the insight. I have a free calibration coming to me from Best Buy since I'll be a silver rewards zone member for having purchased this TV, except I've heard their calibrations are not any better than what I could do myself.

I intend to use THX Cinema mode for a while, and then test out the DIY calibration disc I bought (Disney World of WOW!), since it seems easy enough for beginners.

Then, maybe in a year or two, I'd spring for a professional calibration.

Keep in mind, I'm coming up from a Vizio 720P 26" screen that had all sorts of visual problems ETC. So any way I slice it, I'm going to be satisfied with the ZT60.

Wow, coming from a Vizio 26" to a panny ZT60! eek.gif You are going to blown way, lol.

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ZT60 number 918 reporting!

Got the set Friday delivered by Best Buy. Mounted in minutes. Replacing a 5 year old viera that was doing the "ten red flash might not turn back on" issue.

LOVE the new set and I know the image will only get better as we break it in.

Anyone have any links to calibrations other than the C-NET cinema tweak?

ALSO movies and shows recorded off DirectTV tend to look a little too real (ie. high end video not cinema). Any suggestions?

BTW we got our 60" ZT set for $3500 with interest free extended to 36 months, a free wall mount (supposedly $120 value) plus three extra 3D Glasses ($80 ea. value). I know they don't work on commission but they do want to move sets - don't be afraid to ask for freebies.

What mount did they throw in?
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Wow, coming from a Vizio 26" to a panny ZT60! eek.gif You are going to blown way, lol.

Haha, I know. I'm so excited! biggrin.gif

It was a 2006 Vizio 720P LCD TV, and the final straw was when I waited months and months to watch ZERO DARK THIRTY, I had all the lights off and it was night time, and I couldn't make out one frame of the climactic raid.

I'd been planning to get a new TV, the right TV, the perfect TV, for a while, but had planned to save for a few years or so. Instead I decided that the time for the ZT60 had come. Initially I was looking at an ST60 for X-Mas, but ended up remembering I had a bunch of Exxon stock I could sell, and so I embarked on a giant project to get my dream home theater. With the ZT, I truly feel like I'll be going from (pardon the pun) zero to sixty! biggrin.gif
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Okay. Poll please. Who would return a plasma that is perfectly good over 1 stuck pixel that isn't easily seen on all colors or settings -- in fact it disappears in some colors --- can't be seen in black material and can't be seen unless you're 3 feet or closer to the set. As a business man I know it costs BB and Panasonic a bunch to take returns and am hesitant to do that. But as a consumer I think, "Darn it. I paid 4G for a TV -- it should be perfect.

Thanks!

I wouldn't care at all if it wasn't noticeable when watching content. If I don't see it then it's perfect to me...that's all that matters. Besides you need to figure how much is your time worth. Spending time returning a tv after setting it up...etc. Not worth it at all
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Okay. Poll please. Who would return a plasma that is perfectly good over 1 stuck pixel that isn't easily seen on all colors or settings -- in fact it disappears in some colors --- can't be seen in black material and can't be seen unless you're 3 feet or closer to the set. As a business man I know it costs BB and Panasonic a bunch to take returns and am hesitant to do that. But as a consumer I think, "Darn it. I paid 4G for a TV -- it should be perfect.

Thanks!
Depends upon how particular/perfectionist/analytical you are. wink.gif As I was saying before, I don't think it's "stuck" as much as it is actually defective out of the box (based on your description) and no amount of pixel "excitation" will make a difference. frown.gif
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Cheers, mate! I appreciate the insight. I have a free calibration coming to me from Best Buy since I'll be a silver rewards zone member for having purchased this TV, except I've heard their calibrations are not any better than what I could do myself.

I intend to use THX Cinema mode for a while, and then test out the DIY calibration disc I bought (Disney World of WOW!), since it seems easy enough for beginners.

Then, maybe in a year or two, I'd spring for a professional calibration.
I plan on keeping it on a THX mode, maybe tinkering a bit and having it calibrated by a pro this fall.

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Glashub,

I'd totally return it. The ZT60 is the TV I have waited all my life for. I bought a 5 year square trade warranty to go with it. I'd absolutely swap it out if I got a dead pixel or some other sort of bunk within Best Buy's return window.

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Well, here's the thing -- a friend of mine who is pretty expert at this guarantees me that it will turn red. If that happens then I have a problem. Another thing I wonder about are whether the fans are working right. They are barely blowing out any air and the TV is getting almost Kuro hot. The VT50 didn't get warm at all. That impressed me. This VT60 gets really warm. Anyone else notice that?
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I wouldn't care at all if it wasn't noticeable when watching content. If I don't see it then it's perfect to me...that's all that matters. Besides you need to figure how much is your time worth. Spending time returning a tv after setting it up...etc. Not worth it at all

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Well, here's the thing -- a friend of mine who is pretty expert at this guarantees me that it will turn red. If that happens then I have a problem. Another thing I wonder about are whether the fans are working right. They are barely blowing out any air and the TV is getting almost Kuro hot. The VT50 didn't get warm at all. That impressed me. This VT60 gets really warm. Anyone else notice that?
How are you testing for dead pixels? Through the slides? Do you have to look up close?

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Ha. But you said it yourself, ....can't be seen unless you're 3 feet or closer to the set. But if it bothers you that much then return it no question....4 grand on a tv should leave you extremely happy.


Honestly I would be driven 100x more crazy at the amount of time I would waste on returning the set. It's not like returning a pair of jeans at Macy's lol.
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I wouldn't care at all if it wasn't noticeable when watching content. If I don't see it then it's perfect to me...that's all that matters. Besides you need to figure how much is your time worth. Spending time returning a tv after setting it up...etc. Not worth it at all

There is no question it is not worth the return to some people. I actually do the same thing "sometimes". I was not like that in the past, but after time on earth, the most valuable asset we have on this planet is TIME ! No matter how much you have of anything: love, money, toys, ect ect. Time can not be replace and we all have a watch that is ticking..........
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