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The only time I've heard a buzz is during the brightest slides and only then when I'm listening for it. I've never noticed it when watching regular content.

So if you have any other sound on you can't hear it? For me it is very loud when on brighter scenes and I can even hear it when low audio is being played. I'm guessing that is not normal wink.gif
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So if you have any other sound on you can't hear it? For me it is very loud when on brighter scenes and I can even hear it when low audio is being played. I'm guessing that is not normal wink.gif
I can barely hear it over ambient noise at night much less when the TV is on, so I'd say what you're seeing is atypical and warrants a return.

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Can ZT accept Dolby Digital 5.1 via HDMI and route Dolby Digital 5.1 via optical to my receiver?

I can get my ZT to output Dolby Digital 5.1 via optical to my receiver when I directly connect my antenna to the ZT and set the ZT to one of HD channels. However, I am unable to route Dolby Digital 5.1 from my PS4, PS3, and TIVO via the ZT's optical to my receiver.

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I'm about to purchase a 65 inch ZT. However, what has me concerned is dead or stuck pixels. What is the rate of failure or what is the chance that I will get a perfect display on the ZTs?
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I'm about to purchase a 65 inch ZT. However, what has me concerned is dead or stuck pixels. What is the rate of failure or what is the chance that I will get a perfect display on the ZTs?
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Panasonic's repair rate for plasma is around 2%. Dead or stuck pixels are rare - I believe even those that have had that issue would agree. As for a the rest I agree with Mr. Bond. In the end there are extended warranties for a reason - they do help some sleep better at night smile.gif

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I guess I'm very unlucky...on the last 4 plasmas I bought (Pioneer and Panasonic), half of them have exhibited at least one pixel deficiency. Luck of the draw....but you should check the fine print of your extended warranty concerning pixel policies and how many are necessary for them to give your claim any weight. Best Buy has the best coverage as far as I know. One pixel goes down, and you will be granted a replacement.
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No, because that's currently, and for the past few years, a copy protections feature required by those happy folks that own media. On all modern displays the surround sound audio coming from external sources (players and cable boxes) have the audio reduced to stereo for output. Go through your AVR to your display and you won't have that problem.

Not sure how that helps protect media, because the player will still output 5.1 through its optical. For example, I send video from my BD player to my display via HDMI, and the 5.1 audio from my BD player to my AVR via optical. I've read on the blue ray player forum that the 5.1 audio yhou get over optical is some lossy version of dolby digitial instead of the lossless version on the disc. But it is NOT stereo.

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Well, I should be joining the ZT60 club on Saturday when my yellow-blobbed 55VT50 gets picked up. Hope I get an issue-free set...aside from that, super excited!!

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Well, I should be joining the ZT60 club on Saturday when my yellow-blobbed 55VT50 gets picked up. Hope I get an issue-free set...aside from that, super excited!!

Congratulations!

I'm pretty sure the five people with issues are hanging out here.
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I can barely hear it over ambient noise at night much less when the TV is on, so I'd say what you're seeing is atypical and warrants a return.

Got ya.

From what I understand most people can barely hear it (if at all) even when playing the brightest break in slides - is that fair?
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Got ya.

From what I understand most people can barely hear it (if at all) even when playing the brightest break in slides - is that fair?
No. Not really. That would basically be saying that its nearly silent even under the worst conditions.

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No, because that's currently, and for the past few years, a copy protections feature required by those happy folks that own media. On all modern displays the surround sound audio coming from external sources (players and cable boxes) have the audio reduced to stereo for output. Go through your AVR to your display and you won't have that problem.

Not sure how that helps protect media, because the player will still output 5.1 through its optical. For example, I send video from my BD player to my display via HDMI, and the 5.1 audio from my BD player to my AVR via optical. I've read on the blue ray player forum that the 5.1 audio yhou get over optical is some lossy version of dolby digitial instead of the lossless version on the disc. But it is NOT stereo.
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From what I understand most people can barely hear it (if at all) even when playing the brightest break in slides - is that fair?
I have difficulty hearing it over all the damn fan noise. tongue.gif

But seriously, I never noticed buzzing until I listened for it after seeing someone mention it in this thread.

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I've heard it, but it's really the least of my problems. All plasmas buzz (to varying degrees). tongue.gif
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I have difficulty hearing it over all the damn fan noise. tongue.gif
For me, it's the buzzing that's a bigger issue. I have a June 2013 build and buzzing is louder than the fan noise.
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I've heard it, but it's really the least of my problems. All plasmas buzz (to varying degrees). tongue.gif

Yea thats fair, I don't expect it to be completely silent - but when I can hear it over low volume audio on a brighter scene from 11 feet back, I feel like that is excessive wink.gif
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Yea thats fair, I don't expect it to be completely silent - but when I can hear it over low volume audio on a brighter scene from 11 feet back, I feel like that is excessive wink.gif
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For anyone considering putting ambient lighting behind their TV, I'd suggest they buy the Belkin Conserve Socket with Energy Saving Outlet (can be purchased on Amazon). You can plug in your TV and lights into this powerbar, and when you turn on the TV, the ambient lighting will turn on, and when you turn off the TV, the lighting will turn off. Works great!
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I like to leave my ambient lighting on sometimes when the tv is off. The halo looks pretty cool and does add some light to the room.

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My ambient lights are on the ceiling. biggrin.gif
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My ambient lights are on the ceiling. biggrin.gif
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Hello all,

Received the VT60 & ZT60 yesterday from Pauls. Both are July build dates and both have slight fan noise but it seems that the ZT's fans quieted down after about 16 hours of running slides. I'll definitely be doing some in-home comparisons but my initial impression is that the ZT has somewhat of a cleaner/crisper picture. And, even though the ZT's panel is a little better at combating reflections, it is nowhere near as effective as the retail premium above the VT would suggest. However, I will qualify this by disclosing that the ZT is 60" and the VT is 55". I also have the Samsung 51" F8500 in my home for the time being and it's screen is markedly better at handling reflections than both Panasonics. I was surprised by this due to the many reports of the Studio Master Panel being ranked first in the anti-reflective category.

With respect to buzzing, the F8500 is the quietest, extremely faint (go figure...), with the Panasonics being ever so slightly more audible. In either case, buzzing is not even worth mentioning with the units I have in-home. Oh, and I had an ST60 for a couple of weeks too; it did not exhibit noticeable buzzing either. By the way, since I had the top four 2013 plasma models in my home, I can tell you that if you are in the market for a 2013 model, have budget constraints and will be mostly watching 1080p content, get the ST60 and don't look back. Yes, the others are better, but the performance improvement (non-calibrated) is difficult to quantify in price.

Anyway, I hope Samsung ups their game on the picture quality front because as an all-around TV, it is the best out there. Now, if you are using it in a traditional sense, say watching varied content in various resolutions, under typical living room conditions, the F8500 wins. For instance, I cut the cable and use OTA for my TV viewing; here, the Samsung's OTA guide proved to be first rate. I wish that kind of OTA guide was included in the Panasonic line because there really isn't any good reason to not have it. Yeah, I know that's just one, small example but the Samsung's menus and interface are simply more sophisticated and user oriented. Everything just seems to be more thought out even down to the material & method they use to securely pack the TV's for shipping. That narrow box and scant packing material that housed the Panasonics turned me off a bit when I saw it. And, although I absolutely loathed the F8500's wide stand, when I saw it in the house, I actually loved the look! LOL!! The F8500 is a sophisticated display with some breakthrough advances in a couple of areas, but a lack in cinematic image quality, especially depth, motion, fatiguing brightness (I just couldn't dial it down to my liking), unnaturally sharp images, and the annoying way that all content appears to be recorded from HD video, needs to be improved. In my opinion, the F8500 is an unfinished work that I hope can be refined in 2014 and beyond.

Gotta go but will provide my impressions of the ZT & VT when I get some more hours on them. This will be relatively easy because I had the ST60 as a reference and know what to expect along with some of the more useful postings on this site.
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^Yours is the first impression I've heard about regarding the F8500 filter being superior to that of the ZT60. On the May 2013 Value Electronics shootout video feed, I could clearly see the ZT60 was superior at deflecting ambient lighting and maintaining its black level. This is a little different than actual reflections of course.
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Hello all,

Received the VT60 & ZT60 yesterday from Pauls. Both are July build dates and both have slight fan noise but it seems that the ZT's fans quieted down after about 16 hours of running slides. I'll definitely be doing some in-home comparisons but my initial impression is that the ZT has somewhat of a cleaner/crisper picture. And, even though the ZT's panel is a little better at combating reflections, it is nowhere near as effective as the retail premium above the VT would suggest. However, I will qualify this by disclosing that the ZT is 60" and the VT is 55". I also have the Samsung 51" F8500 in my home for the time being and it's screen is markedly better at handling reflections than both Panasonics. I was surprised by this due to the many reports of the Studio Master Panel being ranked first in the anti-reflective category.

With respect to buzzing, the F8500 is the quietest, extremely faint (go figure...), with the Panasonics being ever so slightly more audible. In either case, buzzing is not even worth mentioning with the units I have in-home. Oh, and I had an ST60 for a couple of weeks too; it did not exhibit noticeable buzzing either. By the way, since I had the top four 2013 plasma models in my home, I can tell you that if you are in the market for a 2013 model, have budget constraints and will be mostly watching 1080p content, get the ST60 and don't look back. Yes, the others are better, but the performance improvement (non-calibrated) is difficult to quantify in price.

Anyway, I hope Samsung ups their game on the picture quality front because as an all-around TV, it is the best out there. Now, if you are using it in a traditional sense, say watching varied content in various resolutions, under typical living room conditions, the F8500 wins. For instance, I cut the cable and use OTA for my TV viewing; here, the Samsung's OTA guide proved to be first rate. I wish that kind of OTA guide was included in the Panasonic line because there really isn't any good reason to not have it. Yeah, I know that's just one, small example but the Samsung's menus and interface are simply more sophisticated and user oriented. Everything just seems to be more thought out even down to the material & method they use to securely pack the TV's for shipping. That narrow box and scant packing material that housed the Panasonics turned me off a bit when I saw it. And, although I absolutely loathed the F8500's wide stand, when I saw it in the house, I actually loved the look! LOL!! The F8500 is a sophisticated display with some breakthrough advances in a couple of areas, but a lack in cinematic image quality, especially depth, motion, fatiguing brightness (I just couldn't dial it down to by liking), unnaturally sharp images, and the annoying way that all content appears to be recorded from HD video, needs to be improved. In my opinion, the F8500 is an unfinished work that I hope can be refined in 2014 and beyond.

Gotta go but will provide my impressions of the ZT & VT when get some more hours on them. This will be relatively easy because I had the ST60 as a reference and know what to expect along with some of the more useful postings on this site.

How does the ST60 and VT60 compare reflections-wise? The VT60 has the newer AR filter right?

So in a bright room, the ZT60 only handles reflections a bit better? I almost bought a 60ZT60 with the premium pricing for the filter alone, but if not enough difference reflection-wise, I'll go with the VT60 instead.
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Received the VT60 & ZT60 yesterday from Pauls. Both are July build dates and both have slight fan noise but it seems that the ZT's fans quieted down after about 16 hours of running slides. I'll definitely be doing some in-home comparisons but my initial impression is that the ZT has somewhat of a cleaner/crisper picture. And, even though the ZT's panel is a little better at combating reflections, it is nowhere near as effective as the retail premium above the VT would suggest. However, I will qualify this by disclosing that the ZT is 60" and the VT is 55". I also have the Samsung 51" F8500 in my home for the time being and it's screen is markedly better at handling reflections than both Panasonics. I was surprised by this due to the many reports of the Studio Master Panel being ranked first in the anti-reflective category.

With respect to buzzing, the F8500 is the quietest, extremely faint (go figure...), with the Panasonics being ever so slightly more audible. In either case, buzzing is not even worth mentioning with the units I have in-home. Oh, and I had an ST60 for a couple of weeks too; it did not exhibit noticeable buzzing either. By the way, since I had the top four 2013 plasma models in my home, I can tell you that if you are in the market for a 2013 model, have budget constraints and will be mostly watching 1080p content, get the ST60 and don't look back. Yes, the others are better, but the performance improvement (non-calibrated) is difficult to quantify in price.

Anyway, I hope Samsung ups their game on the picture quality front because as an all-around TV, it is the best out there. Now, if you are using it in a traditional sense, say watching varied content in various resolutions, under typical living room conditions, the F8500 wins. For instance, I cut the cable and use OTA for my TV viewing; here, the Samsung's OTA guide proved to be first rate. I wish that kind of OTA guide was included in the Panasonic line because there really isn't any good reason to not have it. Yeah, I know that's just one, small example but the Samsung's menus and interface are simply more sophisticated and user oriented. Everything just seems to be more thought out even down to the material & method they use to securely pack the TV's for shipping. That narrow box and scant packing material that housed the Panasonics turned me off a bit when I saw it. And, although I absolutely loathed the F8500's wide stand, when I saw it in the house, I actually loved the look! LOL!! The F8500 is a sophisticated display with some breakthrough advances in a couple of areas, but a lack in cinematic image quality, especially depth, motion, fatiguing brightness (I just couldn't dial it down to by liking), unnaturally sharp images, and the annoying way that all content appears to be recorded from HD video, needs to be improved. In my opinion, the F8500 is an unfinished work that I hope can be refined in 2014 and beyond.

Gotta go but will provide my impressions of the ZT & VT when get some more hours on them. This will be relatively easy because I had the ST60 as a reference and know what to expect along with some of the more useful postings on this site.

Nice summary. I have the ZT and ST and agree with your comments. The ZT is a great TV. But I don't watch Blu-ray dvd's 24/7. More sports and sat. I think if most people compared the two side by side under normal viewing the price difference would be hard to justify. There have also been some crazy good deals on the 60ST60 lately. You could buy 3 60ST60s for the price of 1 65ZT60 (almost). Plus you don't have the fan noise crap. If you need a reference TV until OLED arrives the ZT fits the bill. I would categorize myself as a videophile wannabe. I bought the ZT because I knew I would always regret not getting the best. Now I can second guess that decision.
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^Yours is the first impression I've heard about regarding the F8500 filter being superior to that of the ZT60. On the May 2013 Value Electronics shootout video feed, I could clearly see the ZT60 was superior at deflecting ambient lighting and maintaining its black level. This is a little different than actual reflections of course.

I saw that footage too and thought the same thing that's why I made my mind up on the ZT60. But I thought I heard the techs say that filter was doing a better job at reflection because of where it was positioned in the room. The ZT does hold its black level well though. The difference with reflections between the ZT60 & F8500 aren't night & day, but the reflections of objects in front of the F8500 were harder to make out for sure.
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How does the ST60 and VT60 compare reflections-wise? The VT60 has the newer AR filter right?

So in a bright room, the ZT60 only handles reflections a bit better? I almost bought a 60ZT60 with the premium pricing for the filter alone, but if not enough difference reflection-wise, I'll go with the VT60 instead.

My impression is that the filter is slightly better on the VT60 compared to the ST. The ST60 is not bad at all though.

The ZT60 does handle reflections better than the VT60 but not $600 better. But I would caution you from basing your purchasing decision on my observations. If possible, I strongly urge you to demo both of them in your home and make a decision based on what you & members of your household sees. smile.gif
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Nice summary. I have the ZT and ST and agree with your comments. The ZT is a great TV. But I don't watch Blu-ray dvd's 24/7. More sports and sat. I think if most people compared the two side by side under normal viewing the price difference would be hard to justify. There have also been some crazy good deals on the 60ST60 lately. You could buy 3 60ST60s for the price of 1 65ZT60 (almost). Plus you don't have the fan noise crap. If you need a reference TV until OLED arrives the ZT fits the bill. I would categorize myself as a videophile wannabe. I bought the ZT because I knew I would always regret not getting the best. Now I can second guess that decision.

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I completely agree with you, it would be hard to justify paying a premium for the ZT especially if a person has a dedicated viewing room. If I had a dedicated viewing room, I'd buy a 65" ST60! Moreover, I actually think that most perspective buyers should be seeking out ST60's as a stop-gap until non-beta OLED arrives. Take that swan-song ZT60 money and apply it to the OLED purchase.
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Has anyone had their ZT calibrated by Jeff Meier at AccuCal? He's doing mine in 2 weeks and I can't be more excited. Just wanted to know how big of a difference it made or what anyone's impressions of his work were. Thanks
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