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So planing on getting my TV calibrated this weekend and it turns out I'll only have a little over 200 hours of running slides. I read somewhere else that you want 250-300 hours before getting it calibrated so I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake getting it done this early.
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So planing on getting my TV calibrated this weekend and it turns out I'll only have a little over 200 hours of running slides. I read somewhere else that you want 250-300 hours before getting it calibrated so I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake getting it done this early.

In the VE Shootout one of the three pro calibrators stated he saw the biggest shifts in colors between 250-300 hrs. Something to consider.

.... or was it 150-200 hrs? Hmmmm....
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What you are describing sounds like the rainbow effect some people see with DLPs. Some can even see them on plasmas, myself included. Here is a link to a discussion about them:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1307543/plasma-rainbow-effect-like-dlp#post_24056221
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There's also this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/603995/its-official-i-see-a-rainbow-like-effect-on-every-plasma

And yes me too. One of the reasons I keep my contrast setting at 50 or below (currently 44).

Thanks. I'm currently mucking my way through the second thread. Some of that stuff is ancient.
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Thanks. I'm currently mucking my way through the second thread. Some of that stuff is ancient.

I've only read maybe the last few pages myself. So many threads (and websites), so little time.
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And yes me too. One of the reasons I keep my contrast setting at 50 or below (currently 44).

How you read your blu ray or hd content ?[/quote]

Just fine, I don't have any problem with it at all. Was using 50 and Warm 2 with THX Cinema during day and night, adjusted to 44 and Normal recently with Spears & Munsil 2e, per the disc's recommendations. May bump it up a notch or two at some point, but living with it for a while. Don't know how you all can deal with tv in contrast torch mode all the time. wink.gif

Thinking about switching back to sound & vision settings now, and adjust contrast & etc similarly with S&M disc. Was getting way too many rainbows with it, but colors seemed to be better for the few days I had them going, though they're actually pretty good right now, but a bit off I suspect. (I think while using sound and vision settings was when I really first noticed the rainbows, but they're still there, even at 44 contrast, just not so noticeable.)

Between my sensitive eyes (I have my car's rear view mirror adjusted for nighttime since the daytime headlights from cars tend to bug me) and my glasses prescription, perhaps has something to do with my preference for not being blasted by bright white light all the time. (This computer's monitor is set to lowest brightness as well.)
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So planing on getting my TV calibrated this weekend and it turns out I'll only have a little over 200 hours of running slides. I read somewhere else that you want 250-300 hours before getting it calibrated so I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake getting it done this early.

My calibrator recommended 200-300 hrs for the Panasonic 60 series when I had mine done.
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Jeff meier told me running slides is very dangerous and i shouldnt do it, it can damage the panel he said. He sees no gain from slides.
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So planing on getting my TV calibrated this weekend and it turns out I'll only have a little over 200 hours of running slides. I read somewhere else that you want 250-300 hours before getting it calibrated so I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake getting it done this early.
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Jeff meier told me running slides is very dangerous and i shouldnt do it, it can damage the panel he said. He sees no gain from slides.
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I'd love to hear his rationale.
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No mistake.
If he's shelling out $4 to 500, why not just wait until the 300th hour?
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If he's shelling out $4 to 500, why not just wait until the 300th hour?
Ask him. I assume he has an appt. Do you think another 50 hours or so is going to make a big difference? He could ask the calibrator if he will come back and do a touch up later. ChadB does that.

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That might suffice. I just cede to the pros on this who have experienced more wild fluctuations through the first 300 hours. I'm sure this can vary from one panel to the next (250 hours versus 350 hours for instance).
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Jeff meier told me running slides is very dangerous and i shouldnt do it, it can damage the panel he said. He sees no gain from slides.

You talking the break in slides or the screen wipe?
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Ask him. I assume he has an appt. Do you think another 50 hours or so is going to make a big difference? He could ask the calibrator if he will come back and do a touch up later. ChadB does that.

Yea I have an appointment on Saturday. I asked the calibrator and he said it should be fine but I just wanted a secondary opinion as I do know that the first 200 hours can be critical but I'm not sure about the differences in the 200 range.
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I'm not sure who your calibrator is, but if you check out the Value Electronics 2013 observations from some of the calibrators on hand, they all recommended a minimum of 300 hours due to the significant picture fluctuations in that same time span.
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You talking the break in slides or the screen wipe?
D nice slides. Thats what jeff said when i inquired. I do not think it would hurt the panel.
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Yea I have an appointment on Saturday. I asked the calibrator and he said it should be fine but I just wanted a secondary opinion as I do know that the first 200 hours can be critical but I'm not sure about the differences in the 200 range.

I think it will be fine, Chad told me he has done some sets that were in the 150 to 250 hour range and they turned out fine.

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Yea I have an appointment on Saturday. I asked the calibrator and he said it should be fine but I just wanted a secondary opinion as I do know that the first 200 hours can be critical but I'm not sure about the differences in the 200 range.
Put as many hours as you can on it before Saturday. Maybe even see if you can delay it for the next available time. Other than that I wouldnt be concerned about it.

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At the VE Shootout they said 300 is the "bare minimum" and not to even schedule calibration until you're at 300 hours, the more the better. (See ~25 minute mark here.) DeWayne also recommended you run the TV 24/7 during break-in, to get through the break-in period, but also as a stress test for the unit.

When I asked Jeff Meier what he recommended regarding slides and break-in he said the following:
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I recommend you use the product normally without static images for at least 50 hours. The more the better. I only see problems or no effect from using the slides.
This was in February--before the Shootout and before the VT/ZT were available--which explains the time difference. I never asked what sort of problems he had witnessed with using the slides but they can't be very common considering how often they're used.

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Jeff meier told me running slides is very dangerous and i shouldnt do it, it can damage the panel he said. He sees no gain from slides.
Jeff is entitled to his opinion.
The "damage" that Jeff (UMR) is referring to is the result of operator error, unexpected power cycles, and other malfunctions which can result in unattended periods of time with fixed images burning away. eek.gif
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No mistake.
If he's shelling out $4 to 500, why not just wait until the 300th hour?
If there is a Panasonic drift in 2013 models that 300 hours can get past, then I also think it makes economic sense to put at least that many hours on a display before paying for a professional calibration. There is no reason to run slides that long, but that's another issue.
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The "damage" that Jeff (UMR) is referring to is the result of operator error, unexpected power cycles, and other malfunctions which can result on unattended periods of time with fixed images burning away. eek.gif
I figured it was something like that. I just wasnt interested in getting into another 5 page debate about the slides.

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So planing on getting my TV calibrated this weekend and it turns out I'll only have a little over 200 hours of running slides. I read somewhere else that you want 250-300 hours before getting it calibrated so I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake getting it done this early.
Plasma drifts over time, which means as time goes by the setting that you are paying for will gradually be less accurate. The rate of change for the 2013 Panasonic models was reported to be faster than usual during the first 300 hours by D-Nice who is one of the top calibrators here at AVS.

There is no reason to rush into getting a calibration. I waited 900 hours several years ago. It's probably more important who you get to do your calibration. If your calibrator is active here at AVS, you can use his AVS user name to read reports about his work. Check the second post in the "customer" thread that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.
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Plasma drifts over time, which means as time goes by the setting that you are paying for will gradually be less accurate. The rate of change for the 2013 Panasonic models was reported to be faster than usual during the first 300 hours by D-Nice who is one of the top calibrators here at AVS.

There is no reason to rush into getting a calibration. I waited 900 hours several years ago. It's probably more important who you get to do your calibration. If your calibrator is active here at AVS, you can use his AVS user name to read reports about his work. Check the second post in the "customer" thread that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Well it's D-Nice who is doing the calibration.
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Let me ask a question regarding calibration. Since my setup is in a living room, it's bright during the day and obviously dark in the evening. Do calibrators normally come during daytime or do you all schedule a daytime and evening session for best calibration results?
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Let me ask a question regarding calibration. Since my setup is in a living room, it's bright during the day and obviously dark in the evening. Do calibrators normally come during daytime or do you all schedule a daytime and evening session for best calibration results?
Are you able to darken with curtains?

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