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No can't hear any fan noise or buzzing!

My HTPC is far louder, haven't heard the Panasonic make itself known amongst the other stuff happening in my apartment.

Got it from an independent here in Toronto. I can sort you with his contact if you want, PM me
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Same here. VT50 played nice with my 4311ci. I have to execute a workaround with the ZT60. I'm stumped but I don't think it's the Denon.

ARC works now. Not really sure why. I can tell you what I did but it's not an endorsement of what I did as a solution. I couldn't access YouTube. I realized that I skipped the set up except for wireless. I restored the TV to factory defaults with the receiver on and hooked up. I went through the whole setup process -- and -- ARC is working even after several power cycles. Is this the answer. I wouldn't bet on it but it is clearly a handshake issue.
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A quite interesting thread that regards my ZT60 here in Norway. I think you will be happy to use Google translate!smile.gif
But you are welcome to our little forum in the land of the Wikings!smile.gif

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A quite interesting thread that regards my ZT60 here in Norway. I think you will be happy to use Google translate!smile.gif
But you are welcome to our little forum in the land of the Wikings!smile.gif

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Sitting in my hotel room looking at a 32 inch LCD TV makes me sad. Can't wait for this business trip to end so I can go back to the ZT60. Easy to forget how good we have it sometimes!
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Sitting in my hotel room looking at a 32 inch LCD TV makes me sad. Can't wait for this business trip to end so I can go back to the ZT60. Easy to forget how good we have it sometimes!
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Just was at my local BB. They have already dropped the price by a few hundred on the VT60 sets. The Magnolia manager also said he could work with me on a lower price if I was interested. Just a heads up for those interested in a VT.
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ARC works now. Not really sure why. I can tell you what I did but it's not an endorsement of what I did as a solution. I couldn't access YouTube. I realized that I skipped the set up except for wireless. I restored the TV to factory defaults with the receiver on and hooked up. I went through the whole setup process -- and -- ARC is working even after several power cycles. Is this the answer. I wouldn't bet on it but it is clearly a handshake issue.
I've tried everything I can think of. I did see a comment on another thread where a guy said he couldn't get it to work unless he unhooked his cable box from his AVR. I'm not going that route. What was your other work-around?

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I just got my 65ZT60, while it is a great TV, I can say that I do have a new appreciation of my Kuro 151. A five year old set is doing pretty well against a brand new top of the line set.

The black levels are hard to tell now since it is daylight, I can say the ZT filter is about as good as the Kuro filter. While I was hoping it would be better, at least it's not worse.
Colors, well that's going to be hard to tell until my set breaks in. I can say so far the CNET Cinema settings are alright, but definetly lean towards green and I am not sure the gamma is right either as I had to make that 2.4 to get the black levels just right.
Brightness, well so far the only way to match the Kuro's brightness is for set the panel brightness on high, which kind of messes up the other settings. I wish I could use a darker setting that and get proper calibration, but that is probably not meant to be. I can tell that there is more headroom in the Panasonic, because the ABL doesn't kick in as fast as it does on the Kuro. It's probably that I have the Kuro maxed on brightness, without clipping, hence the ABL kicks in sooner.

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So which do you prefer-70" Sharp Elite, 60" Pioneer 151 Elite, or 65" ZT60? I really wanted to get a 70" TV, but it's too hard to find a Sharp Elite at the price level of the ZT60.
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Been away for a while and wanted to report back in. Over 250 hours watching the TV now and I'd say overall it's about 10-15 percent brighter than out of the box. THX Cinema is looking absolutely fabulous for all material as are the CNet settings on page 1. Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows like the title indicates is a real showpiece on this TV. It even looks incredible stretched to 16:9 on Verizon Fios. I haven't bought the Oppo yet to play with 3D and it really feels like THX pre calibrated the TV for over 100 hours as the picture seems to have grown into it wonderfully. Certainly whites look MUCH whiter now. Watched Bourne Legacy earlier and the snow scenes really popped on THX Cinema now. I don't remember having to squint in a darkened room last time I watched it!

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So which do you prefer-70" Sharp Elite, 60" Pioneer 151 Elite, or 65" ZT60? I really wanted to get a 70" TV, but it's too hard to find a Sharp Elite at the price level of the ZT60.


It's not really a matter of preference, I would say they all serve their purpose. For a good man cave TV where you can control the light and want reference viewing, then the ZT60 would be the set. Right now all things considered i would say for most people it would be a better set than the Elite 151. Although with good deals on the Elites you have to make a choice of what you want.....great pq with lots of features (ZT) or an older set that can may be tweaked a little better (151). The PQ can match that of the Kuro, pretty much including blacks with a filter that's better in bright room lights. The Sharp Elite is my go to in bright sunny day where my wife still wants the light to come in while I watch TV, plus it has an extra 5".

I will say that the ZT's filter does well in a well lit room, I am glad I spent the extra over the VT, since the filter really works. The panel will also get as bright as the Kuro, with the only problem being whether or not it can be calibrated well and still keep the brightness, so far no, but as more get their sets calibrated we will see. In High Panel Brightness this set is pretty bright, it's just that the PQ suffers some. Wish there was a way to have that level of brightness and a good calibration. It would be great for daytime viewing, and the wife with her reality shows.

The ZT's and the VT's also have some of the best out of the box settings I have seen so far, with THX Cinema being spot on, matched my Kuro settings I have worked on for five years almost to a tee. Just wish I could tweak the THX settings a little more. All in all, I am glad I bought the set.

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^^^ Thanks for the comparison. Sounds like you're keeping the ZT. Time to edit that signature. smile.gif

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I've tried everything I can think of. I did see a comment on another thread where a guy said he couldn't get it to work unless he unhooked his cable box from his AVR. I'm not going that route. What was your other work-around?

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Just was at my local BB. They have already dropped the price by a few hundred on the VT60 sets. The Magnolia manager also said he could work with me on a lower price if I was interested. Just a heads up for those interested in a VT.

No they CANT they have a guideline to follow and it clearly states in the weekly Magnolia notes you can not drop the price for any reason at this time...
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Now that the ZTs are showing up at MHT, I am noticing that when compared with the VT60 that the whites on the ZT appear a little less grey. Is anyone else seeing this? Has anyone who has owned the VT60 and ZT60 noticed any benefit, other then daytime viewing, that the ZT has over the VT due to the bonded screen?

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Now that the ZTs are showing up at MHT, I am noticing that when compared with the VT60 that the whites on the ZT appear a little less grey. Is anyone else seeing this? Has anyone who has owned the VT60 and ZT60 noticed any benefit, other then daytime viewing, that the ZT has over the VT due to the bonded screen?


I havent seen any reports of the VT getting brighter after a few hundred hours of use but ive seen a few for the ZT as well as ive noticed it for mine

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As much as the ZT costs over the VT I would hope you owners would report some advantages over the VT....because in a dark room it appears they're neck and neck. Maybe time will tell.
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No they CANT they have a guideline to follow and it clearly states in the weekly Magnolia notes you can not drop the price for any reason at this time...
Are you kidding? That may be the official line but managers are negotiating on price.
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I havent seen any reports of the VT getting brighter after a few hundred hours of use but ive seen a few for the ZT as well as ive noticed it for mine.
It's the same panel (under the filter) so if the ZTs are showing increased brightness then the VTs should as well. The reports of increasing brightness should be taken with a grain of salt. I'm not saying it isn't happening, just that we grow accustomed to what we see, to say nothing of bias. It'd be nice to see that indicated by objective measurements rather than anecdotal evidence alone.

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As much as the ZT costs over the VT I would hope you owners would report some advantages over the VT....because in a dark room it appears they're neck and neck. Maybe time will tell.
60" VT: $3,000
60" ZT: $3,500, 14.29% more

65" VT: $3,600
65" ZT: $4,100, 13.89% more

Money is money but the cost differences aren't that significant. (Even less if you negotiated on price.) But you're right, in a dark room they're neck and neck. It'd be nice to have a hermetically sealed man cave but in reality not all of us are able to accomplish that. As it is, in a mixed light room the ZT is the better TV.

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60" VT: $3,000
60" ZT: $3,500, 14.29% more

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65" ZT: $4,100, 13.89% more

Money is money but the cost differences aren't that significant. (Even less if you negotiated on price.) But you're right, in a dark room they're neck and neck. It'd be nice to have a hermetically sealed man cave but in reality not all of us are able to accomplish that. As it is, in a mixed light room the ZT is the better TV.

No doubt, but most agree it's not worth an extra $500 (for only a filter?), especially when you don't even get the camera that comes with the VT.......and to most people $500 is "that" significant....percentages aside.
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No they CANT they have a guideline to follow and it clearly states in the weekly Magnolia notes you can not drop the price for any reason at this time...
Its all who you talk too, you can buy the 65" under 3k at best buy
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No doubt, but most agree it's not worth an extra $500 (for only a filter?), especially when you don't even get the camera that comes with the VT.......and to most people $500 is "that" significant....percentages aside.
Most agree? If you go by sales figures perhaps, but if that's your metric then most agree the ST is better than the VT...and the latest Vizio LCD is better than all of them combined. If you're going by the reviews and professional opinions I believe it's nearly universal that for use in a mixed lighting room the ZT is the better TV. Again, $500 is nothing to sneeze at but if value is that much of a concern you shouldn't be looking at either the VT or the ZT. If you're trying to achieve the greatest PQ possible then $500 may not be that big of a deal.

I'd venture a guess the camera is a non-factor for nearly everyone. I'd think the VT's better speakers would be more appealing but only if the TV is your only source of audio. Ultimately each individual must decide what features are important and what he's willing to spend on it. In my situation the ZT is the TV for me (I paid less than the VT60's SRP btw) but if I had a dark room the VT would fit the bill just fine.

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Guys there a deals found sub forum for price discussions -- for the ZT and the VT.
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It's not just a filter - there is the studio master panel. No internal reflections with the ZT.
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Most agree? If you go by sales figures perhaps, but if that's your metric then most agree the ST is better than the VT...and the latest Vizio LCD is better than all of them combined. If you're going by the reviews and professional opinions I believe it's nearly universal that for use in a mixed lighting room the ZT is the better TV. Again, $500 is nothing to sneeze at but if value is that much of a concern you shouldn't be looking at either the VT or the ZT. If you're trying to achieve the greatest PQ possible then $500 may not be that big of a deal.

I'd venture a guess the camera is a non-factor for nearly everyone. I'd think the VT's better speakers would be more appealing but only if the TV is your only source of audio. Ultimately each individual must decide what features are important and what he's willing to spend on it. In my situation the ZT is the TV for me (I paid less than the VT60's SRP btw) but if I had a dark room the VT would fit the bill just fine.

I hear you, and I'm not basing anything off of sales figures, only specifications, professional reviewers, calibrators, and A/V enthusiasts like us; the general consensus from my limited research is that the ZT is not worth the extra price over the VT. The difference and feature set between the ST and VT is more significant than the VT and ZT, that's just a fact. I have a VT, would I rather have the ZT? Sure, but I couldn't justify the price for what it offered, price negotiations aside (and I got a good price on my VT). Let's be honest, the "Beyond Reference" ZT should have offered a little more than just a filter over the VT.....am I wrong? Myself and many others were disappointed when we found out how similar the sets were....I wanted something that clearly blew the Kuro away and it didn't. I would've paid for that.
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Also, this is just me, but the camera on the VT is ugly, and why would I want a camera on my TV? Eight million other devices already do Skype just fine. The ZT is a gorgeous looking TV. You'd have to PAY me 500$ before I'd even consider screwing up those lines with a camera dongle sticking out the top.

Integrate it into the bezel like the forward facing iPhone/iPad camera? OK. Some ugly box affixed to the top of the ZT60? No thanks.
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^^^ Thanks for the comparison. Sounds like you're keeping the ZT. Time to edit that signature. smile.gif
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