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TVs of today are just commodities. Walmart/Amazon shopping places price before all other considerations, so quality is secondary to cost. Unfortunately this is the case with virtually all products and even many services.

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The Panasonic picture is fabulous, I wished they had put a bit more effort on the built quality, I guess that's where every thing is going, disposable! rolleyes.gif
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Selfmade should have his own thread made and that should be the only thread he is allowed to post in. That way if others want to read about his story of the day they can go into his thread and the owners threads to not get effected!

Not even worth it anymore...moving on to something relevant just like you should
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Not even worth it anymore...moving on to something relevant just like you should

I am still waiting to see something relevant from you. rolleyes.gif

Please tell me you ordered a new ZT60 at least?
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Hi everyone. Brand new to the forum and new to zt ownership. Just picked it up on Sunday. Right now just watching content using thx mode. Couldn't get myself to run slides as I just wanted to watch some olympic action etc. Was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on someone in the Toronto area for calibration? I figure it will take a while to get to 300 hrs via regular viewing so its not urgent but was wondering if it would be beneficial to run slides on the tv every now and then and for how long should the intervals be? My thanks in advance
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Yea man from Pauls it will be here Wednesday of next week. It's coming from Cali so that's why I'm praying it's in good shape when it gets here. CEVA was chosen (oh boy) who have done my last delivery of the VT60 and the guy delivering knew quite a but I was taken by surprise. I actually
Condoned him for his knowledge especially why and how it should be transported. I told him to go give a lesson to the people at BB. Funny how the inventory people and delivery guys know more than a sales person. Just like Costco the guy that just moves TVs around knew a crap ton. Wish Costco sold this unit I love dealing with them. Amazon has also treated me above and beyond my expectations. I would have bought from BB but Amazon customer care for me at least is n A+. So anyway they are coming to do the swap of the new unit so if the ZT60 is damaged I guess I can just keep the VT60.

There's a guy (gwhagg) that mentioned BB in Florida having 37 units left of 60ZT60 so maybe if worse comes to worse ill
Give them a call.

Yet another useless, stream of consciousness post. I remember a few years back, the AVS moderators would not have suffered the multiple thread hi-jacks this poster has pulled off. You sir, are in desperate need of a personal diary...and this ain't it!

Why don't you just consolidate your thoughts and report back (or don't) AFTER you've taken delivery of your ZT. Thanks.
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Yet another useless, stream of consciousness post. I remember a few years back, the AVS moderators would not have suffered the multiple thread hi-jacks this poster has pulled off. You sir, are in desperate need of a personal diary...and this ain't it!

Why don't you just consolidate your thoughts and report back (or don't) AFTER you've taken delivery of your ZT. Thanks.

Was responding to Eric1336 not you...move on man. You just posted a useless rant as well. In this case two negatives do not make a positive. Would hate to meet you guys in real life...serious short fuses. A post bothers you that much? Then besides me you need some help as well. You take this way to seriously
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Was responding to Eric1336 not you...move on man. You just posted a useless rant as well. In this case two negatives do not make a positive. Would hate to meet you guys in real life...serious short fuses. A post bothers you that much? Then besides me you need some help as well. You take this way to seriously
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Just saying...you consider my post useless and ok..respected cuz some are BUT you are also responding with a useless post. So what makes that any better? Idk how many times to say it I am done with my rants but people like that make it come back. Eric asked a question (who doesn't like me either) and I answered it. Point made point taken...now move and work I getting the thread on track. I've been asked to do so nicely from everyone so I'm trying to. Moving on moving moving on

Now moving on...I asked before to see if people enjoyed the movie Gravity, was thinking about picking it up cause it prolly looks crazy on the ZT.
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Now moving on...I asked before to see if people enjoyed the movie Gravity, was thinking about picking it up cause it prolly looks crazy on the ZT.

Yo, it looks hella crazy, dawg...
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Now moving on...I asked before to see if people enjoyed the movie Gravity, was thinking about picking it up cause it prolly looks crazy on the ZT.

You're in the wrong thread.

These threads should prove beneficial: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1518003/gravity-3d-blu-ray-official-avsforum-review

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1513452/gravity-comes-to-3d-2d-blu-ray-combo-packs-on-february-25th
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I'm sure it'll look better than in the theater where I saw it. Poor blacks that were barely reminiscent of the darkness of space.
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True, but there is a difference between "assembled" and "made". The parts are made in Japan and shipped to Mexico for assembly due to the cheap labor and I am sure various import NAFTA implications. So it comes down to how much skill do you really need to snap in some boards and cables and tighten some screws.

Well not to offend anyone I would PREFER my tv be "snapped" together and "screws" tightened in japan
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Well not to offend anyone I would PREFER my tv be "snapped" together and "screws" tightened in japan
If the assembly process is engineered properly and the necessary equipment is on hand it shouldn't matter in what country it's put together. There is nothing inherently superior about Japanese assembly.

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Well not to offend anyone I would PREFER my tv be "snapped" together and "screws" tightened in japan

LMAO!!! Me too!!

I had 2 audio receivers (same model) from a Japanese manufacturer...one snapped & screwed together in Japan, the other in Malaysia. Guess which one still works.

Thanks for the laugh.
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If the assembly process is engineered properly and the necessary equipment is on hand it shouldn't matter in what country it's put together. There is nothing inherently superior about Japanese assembly.

Not really. In my experience, Japanese workers are much more conscientious regarding product assembly, from cars to electronics. There is a cultural nature to building in perfection to the extent possible.
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Not really. In my experience, Japanese workers are much more conscientious regarding product assembly, from cars to electronics. There is a cultural nature to building in perfection to the extent possible.
One culture is not superior to another. Spend the same amount of time and money on training, equipment and components and you won't be able to tell the difference. If something built in Mexico falls apart before a similar item built in Japan it's because less money was spent on it.
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I don't know...I think it all depends on the firm, and product line. While I'd love to have an Audio Note Ongaku, or a "Hattori Hanzo" wink.gif, "some" Japanese car makers, et al, were known for shoddy production methods "at some time". No company, let alone a country, are producing any product at "5-nines".

That said, "shoddy build quality" never came to mind when lifting either of my ZTs onto their respective stands...YMMV.
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One culture is not superior to another. Spend the same amount of time and money on training, equipment and components and you won't be able to tell the difference. If something built in Mexico falls apart before a similar item built in Japan it's because less money was spent on it.

It's like Sake vs Tequila.................They both get the job done!!!!!!tongue.gif
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One culture is not superior to another. Spend the same amount of time and money on training, equipment and components and you won't be able to tell the difference. If something built in Mexico falls apart before a similar item built in Japan it's because less money was spent on it.

Didn't say one culture is superior to another; on that, we can both agree. What I'm saying is that work ethics and attention to detail are not the same from one country to the next, based upon my product purchases over time. Given equal training, I would pay more for products that are built in one country over products built in another country.
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I didn't mean to get everybody off on a tangent but I know several people who work for Sony and Toyota and heard horror stories in the past of QC problems with their products made south of the border.

Ex. there were serious issues with the 1st Gen Tacoma and many TVs shipped to the US. --A small sample-size and anecdotal, but they generally steered me away from items shipped from there.

Of course, there are a lot of factors that affect this: engineering, skilled/experienced labor force, assembly conditions, suppliers, political climate, training, management, etc.

I actually blame the executives at those companies for not reigning in the issues affecting the quality of those products because many high end hi-fi gear is now made in China, yet these companies are able to make it work, putting out repeatable product lines, though they are now no longer made in Japan, Canada, or England.

Nevertheless, I hope this lasts me long enough to get me into the OLED game in a few years. I have a feeling this will unfortunately end up in a landfill sooner than it should.
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North Korea, Syria, Somalia, and Iran are where the future of high-end electronics lie!

We need to stop talking about our stupid ZT's and focus on this - a new thread "Official ZT60 Owners Thread NKISS"
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Jesus wept. This thread is devolving into something spooky.

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Yo, it looks hella crazy, dawg...

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The Panasonic picture is fabulous, I wished they had put a bit more effort on the built quality, I guess that's where every thing is going, disposable! rolleyes.gif

What is wrong with the build quality? I think they are built good. I think there were some design decisions that hurt them, the fan layout (noise) some bad screws (buzzing) and the way the back panel must be under the bezel lip to prevent fractures. In today's, quick to market, highly competitive landscape decisions are made with only theoritical testing and then issues develop in real world use that require fixes. Cars have longer product design cycles (3-5 years) and they still have recalls all the time.
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Hey all, been lurking on this thread since I got my 60ZT60 last month. Got my first panny plasma back in March 04 (still in use, still looks great) and the ZT is my fourth panny. Couldn't resist getting the last great one. Anyway, after doing a ton of tweaking and using all of the posted settings (settled on dnice day) I finally have a picture that i love. My question is, what can i realistically expect from a professional calibration? For $400 +, i want to be blown away. I'd love to know experiences from people who had a picture that they were very happy with and how they felt after it was calibrated.

I know, the argument, you have the best TV on the market, you should get the best picture possible but for 400 bucks, I'm not looking for a small 5% -10% improvement, I'm looking for holy ****, i can't believe how much better this looks. Any experiences are appreciated.

BTW, so far so good, none of the common issues that have been reported. I even love looking at this thing when it is off, just a great looking panel.
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Hey all, been lurking on this thread since I got my 60ZT60 last month. Got my first panny plasma back in March 04 (still in use, still looks great) and the ZT is my fourth panny. Couldn't resist getting the last great one. Anyway, after doing a ton of tweaking and using all of the posted settings (settled on dnice day) I finally have a picture that i love. My question is, what can i realistically expect from a professional calibration? For $400 +, i want to be blown away. I'd love to know experiences from people who had a picture that they were very happy with and how they felt after it was calibrated.

I know, the argument, you have the best TV on the market, you should get the best picture possible but for 400 bucks, I'm not looking for a small 5% -10% improvement, I'm looking for holy ****, i can't believe how much better this looks. Any experiences are appreciated.

BTW, so far so good, none of the common issues that have been reported. I even love looking at this thing when it is off, just a great looking panel.

The CNET calibrator/reviewer said that the (out-of-the-box) THX modes were very good. You can also try CNET settings, Sound & Visions, or D-Nice's but calibration is specific to your viewing room. That's why professional calibrators are recommended, so that they can take measurements specific to your environment.

Most of us don't have the training or equipment to match their reference settings but the above can be a starting point. I've seen how digital artists calibrate their workstation monitors and it seems pretty complicated to me. The calibration disks can be helpful if you DIY.

It just depends on how far you want to take it and if the pro calibration price is a good value for your needs.

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.... My question is, what can i realistically expect from a professional calibration? For $400 +, i want to be blown away. I'd love to know experiences from people who had a picture that they were very happy with and how they felt after it was calibrated....
VT60 owner. It is my opinion that a pro calibration does not dramatically improve the picture quality (unless you are using stupid settings) but gives you the peace of mind of knowing that you can't get it any better, so stop worrying and enjoy the show. I like the picture better, but I was not blown away. I think most of us have brains/eyes that forgive the flaws in what we are watching anyway. I was happy that I had my tv pro calibrated.
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