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I had my first instance of IR last night, fell asleep with NBCSN on for about 3 hours, woke up with the upper right logo and bottom scroll "retained." Ran the screen wipe for a few minutes then HBO for a half hour, images were still there. Turned off the TV, went to bed and when I woke up this AM they were gone.

In the vast majority of cases this will be the normative experience--the possibility of temporary image retention. Emphasis on temporary. The Panasonic plasmas and most plasmas today do an excellent job of being far less prone to earlier models.I believe Tom Norton in his review of the ZT60 or VT60 noted this point specifically.

I had a DVD menu accidentally playing for several hours. Was there a mild case of IR? Yes. I ran the screen wipe for a bit and it was gone. And mine happened with under 100 hours on the set.

Any technology has strong points and shortcomings. IR is something inherent to both CRT and Plasma technologies. I personally suggest that everyone set an auto off time on the set and also the 4 hour max time on the auto off. That way if you are away from the set you mitigate the issue.

I also recommend turning on the pixel floater to ON. Auto is equivalent to off. And of you are in any of the THX modes the pixel floater will be turned off. So if you are overly concerned about it then don't use THX mode and turn it on and calibrate through another profile

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How bad does everyone notice the "dithering" on this TV. Overall, I love the picture and sit far enough that I don't really notice it. The display has been calibrated as well. BUT... it can be very visible as I am walking by or up close, especially on certain darker or shadowy scenes. I have never noticed that on my previous 2 Panny plasmas. Is it the filter that makes it so visible on this display?

From the Plasma VT 60 Help guide: If you see something that looks like little dots moving all around your TV when you are up close, this is called dithering and is normal for plasma's. It will be stronger when the TV is new and will get better with usage. Also certain settings can also improve this.

Does everyone see this (especially up close) or is there a way to minimize it or make it less noticeable.

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You bought a plasma, and what you are seeing up close is normal. Enjoy. smile.gif

I was playing around with the settings to see if I could minimize the dithering effect. I had my display calibrated and it was done with panel brightness set to "high". Overall, the picture does look great, but the dithering is really noticeable on some scenes. This was done of the "professional" settings. I also had THX calibrated and it does not display the dithering any where close to as much. When I changed the setting on Professional to medium panel brightness, the dithering all but went away.

Thought this was interesting. If I leave it on medium panel brightness it would seem to negate the calibration on the "Professional" picture setting.
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I was playing around with the settings to see if I could minimize the dithering effect. I had my display calibrated and it was done with panel brightness set to "high". Overall, the picture does look great, but the dithering is really noticeable on some scenes. This was done of the "professional" settings. I also had THX calibrated and it does not display the dithering any where close to as much. When I changed the setting on Professional to medium panel brightness, the dithering all but went away.

Thought this was interesting. If I leave it on medium panel brightness it would seem to negate the calibration on the "Professional" picture setting.

What is the source?

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I was playing around with the settings to see if I could minimize the dithering effect. I had my display calibrated and it was done with panel brightness set to "high". Overall, the picture does look great, but the dithering is really noticeable on some scenes. This was done of the "professional" settings. I also had THX calibrated and it does not display the dithering any where close to as much. When I changed the setting on Professional to medium panel brightness, the dithering all but went away.

Thought this was interesting. If I leave it on medium panel brightness it would seem to negate the calibration on the "Professional" picture setting.

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Maybe an actual ZT owner can relate to my experience because it's non existing on mine. I watch CNN and Fox News and it's fine. I watch hockey all the time so you would think I would see some.

Fox News ticker doesn't appear to have a white background, CNN looks like it has a white background so why don't you just leave it on there for a few hours and come back to tell us that there's no IR resulting from it.


We'll be waiting along with Chyna Eddy.
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Posted this on the "DEALS THREAD" which sounds like an oxymoron

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AS of 6am this morning - Amazon prices for VT & ZT

Panasonic TC-P65VT60 65-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma HDTV (Discontinued by Manufacturer)
Only 6 left in stock. Shipped from: Walt's TV $4,999.00

Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 65-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma TV (Discontinued by Manufacturer)
Only 6 left in stock. Shipped from: Walt's TV $6,999.00

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I was playing around with the settings to see if I could minimize the dithering effect. I had my display calibrated and it was done with panel brightness set to "high". Overall, the picture does look great, but the dithering is really noticeable on some scenes. This was done of the "professional" settings. I also had THX calibrated and it does not display the dithering any where close to as much. When I changed the setting on Professional to medium panel brightness, the dithering all but went away.

Thought this was interesting. If I leave it on medium panel brightness it would seem to negate the calibration on the "Professional" picture setting.
Youve found the cause which i explained earlier, its high panel brightness. Thats just how it is. I hope Calibrators take note of this, as i dont know if i would have had chad do mine in high if i knew about the dithering issue.
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In three years we will all upgrade to 75" OLED selling at $2999
Not until they fix the massive input lag problem. All other areas it seems great, but for a gamer its missing a key ingredient.
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Would $3,800 before tax for the 65” ZT be worth picking up?
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I am not a gamer so I for me a 70" OLED is nirvana just Blu Ray movies will do :)


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Would $3,800 before tax for the 65” ZT be worth picking up?

Depends on the person buying it...sale price was as low as $2,599. Reference that to the price you're seeing, as well as the regular MSRP, and then factor in the current availability, and desire to have this set.
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Not until they fix the massive input lag problem. All other areas it seems great, but for a gamer its missing a key ingredient.

And let us not forget that OLED has it's own share of IR issues.... ;)

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Depends on the person buying it...sale price was as low as $2,599. Reference that to the price you're seeing, as well as the regular MSRP, and then factor in the current availability, and desire to have this set.

Or $2299 on Black Friday. smile.gif I wouldn't pay that much for a 60" tv, the Samsung is just as good and is half the price.
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Or $2299 on Black Friday. smile.gif I wouldn't pay that much for a 60" tv, the Samsung is just as good and is half the price.

The 65 was $2299?
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The 65 was $2299?

And Pizza and a soda was 25 cents.

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The lowest list price I remember seeing for the 65" ZT was $2,799. (Actual price would vary of course.)
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The lowest list price I remember seeing for the 65" ZT was $2,799. (Actual price would vary of course.)

Not that it matters now of course, but lowest I saw was $2,599 at BBuy...I was just curious. The 65 @ $2,299 for NIB is a really good price. I got my 60ZT for $2,199. The question at this point is "Is someone willing to pay close to original MSRP for a set which may prove difficult to repair/replace?".
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Not that it matters now of course, but lowest I saw was $2,599 at BBuy...I was just curious. The 65 @ $2,299 for NIB is a really good price. I got my 60ZT for $2,199. The question at this point is "Is someone willing to pay close to original MSRP for a set which may prove difficult to repair/replace?".

YES - ask the Kuro missers what they would have paid a few months later! If you have the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ then you are driven by the desire!

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And let us not forget that OLED has it's own share of IR issues.... wink.gif
Thats another good point. I wonder how an oled handles IR and burn in compared to a plasma. Wonder if the technical causes are the same and if reversing it is as easy, and how severe the issue is. Maybe wse wont be watching as many blurays as he hoped for. Id really like to know if they can solve the input lag problem at all.
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Source is Tivo Roamio, for cable.

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Youve found the cause which i explained earlier, its high panel brightness. Thats just how it is. I hope Calibrators take note of this, as i dont know if i would have had chad do mine in high if i knew about the dithering issue.

Did you change anything or are you just going to live with it. I feel that if I set to mid, it will negate the calibration. True? I guess I could watch in THX cinema, but then I feel the calibration was a waste (even though THX cinema was "calibrated" as well.
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Source is Tivo Roamio, for cable.
Did you change anything or are you just going to live with it. I feel that if I set to mid, it will negate the calibration. True? I guess I could watch in THX cinema, but then I feel the calibration was a waste (even though THX cinema was "calibrated" as well.
My day mode was set for high panel brightness. My night mode uses mid, which is fine. I never go out of night mode. If he set your thx mode then use that.
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I've read that video NR should be turned off or is bad for the image, any ideas why its left on for THX modes?

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It isn't - default is OFF

I checked my THX Modes last night and both have Video NR set at LOW. My ZT was delivered on January 28th (October build). It was QC'd, broken in and calibrated by VE and I have not changed any of the THX settings.

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Source is Tivo Roamio, for cable.
Did you change anything or are you just going to live with it. I feel that if I set to mid, it will negate the calibration. True? I guess I could watch in THX cinema, but then I feel the calibration was a waste (even though THX cinema was "calibrated" as well.

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I've read that video NR should be turned off or is bad for the image, any ideas why its left on for THX modes?
I checked my THX Modes last night and both have Video NR set at LOW. My ZT was delivered on January 28th (October build). It was QC'd, broken in and calibrated by VE and I have not changed any of the THX settings.

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What was your panel # ? trying to find out how many ZT's were made!

Bob, It's A12650.
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I've read that video NR should be turned off or is bad for the image, any ideas why its left on for THX modes?
I checked my THX Modes last night and both have Video NR set at LOW. My ZT was delivered on January 28th (October build). It was QC'd, broken in and calibrated by VE and I have not changed any of the THX settings.
Just disengage all video processing. That special VE package included calibration, right? If so, perhaps Kevin or DeWayne engaged the NR. Who knows?

Did you opt for VE's "black" ZT? If so, what does the coating on the part that would normally be chrome look like? Is it paint, powder coating, that plastic dip stuff or what?

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repete66211, The original question regarding the Video NR setting in the THX modes was not mine. Bob Brennan had replied the default setting in THX was "OFF". I was just agreeing with the OP that the setting was "LOW".

Unfortunately the "black" ZT was no longer available when I inquired so I have the standard model.

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Bob, It's A12650.

Thanks - Mine is 8576 with a July Build purchased on 11/1/13 (65ZT)

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The lowest list price I remember seeing for the 65" ZT was $2,799. (Actual price would vary of course.)
This is the lowest official price I have seen from Best Buy as well.
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repete66211, The original question regarding the Video NR setting in the THX modes was not mine. Bob Brennan had replied the default setting in THX was "OFF". I was just agreeing with the OP that the setting was "LOW".

Unfortunately the "black" ZT was no longer available when I inquired so I have the standard model.

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Thank you - I stand corrected - low is what it is (some one sneaked around and turned it OFF but she will remain anonymous)

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Thanks - Mine is 8576 with a July Build purchased on 11/1/13 (65ZT)

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PS: in case you don't know the first four numbers of your serial number represent the the year (3) and the next three the day of the year - I'm 3191 which means 2013 - July 10th

I'm 3290 - 2013, October 17th. (thanks)
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