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I agree that it's better to have him do the work in your home...

I didn't say that, but since you mention it, why do you think so?
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I agree that it's better to have him do the work in your home...

I didn't say that, but since you mention it, why do you think so?
I was responding to this.
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My preference is to purchase elsewhere and have him out independently as it turns out.
I prefer to have calibrations done in the room and under the same lighting conditions where I'm going to watch. Unless the room is perfectly neutral, it will effect what you see on the screen. For the same reason I don't like back lighting that isn't 6500K. smile.gif
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I was responding to this. I prefer to have calibrations done in the room and under the same lighting conditions where I'm going to watch. Unless the room is perfectly neutral, it will effect what you see on the screen. For the same reason I don't like back lighting that isn't 6500K. smile.gif

No question have it done in the room your TV will be in!
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You still put words in my mouth even after a quote no less wink.gif

I think I agree with you though. Don't buy from Value Electronics because dnice is calibrating it there; wait and have him out after you purchase smile.gif
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Would you know why the F8500 took a massive hit in brightness after some firmware updates? Why would Samsung do that? They just made their killer feature obsolete and now its just a decent performer for bright rooms

Also, with the ZT60, you said you used PB high at the shootout when calibrating....did you use the same method as Chad B when calibrating? I think he uses Normal color temp and such....Just curious how much tinkering you guys did with PB High at the shoot out and if it was similar to Chad B's method now

Chad doesn't use normal color temp he uses Warm 2.
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From CNET referencing Sony 4K - "The company pitted its X950B, X900B and X850B televisions against its rivals"

“The X950B held up remarkably well against the ZT60”

http://www.cnet.com/news/hands-on-with-sonys-2014-4k-televisions/

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Eh, I don't doubt the 950 will have great black levels, but it is highly unlikely they will have done anything about poor viewing angles.

This will be an interesting development for sure. Can't wait to here how the 950 will perform.....
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i use the "huff (my breath) and wipe method" as i mentioned before to clean my ZT60 while it was cooled off. I think I may have wiped off a layer of the filter because it seems to let more light in now and with all shades open the panel no longer seems as black as it was when prior to cleaning it. Did not use nay chemicals, water, etc. The manual says to use 1 part soap and 100 parts water and ring it out so its slightly damp and then follow with a dry cloth. I didn't do any of that, I would just huff on a spot and wipe it off. I can't imagine this would cause damage or removal of the filter but it does seem to be lighter.

Someone also stated the filter is underneath the glass so maybe all is good but here's some pics with all light on and blinds open. I just remember the filter making everything look darker with light hitting it not washed out like this. My method involves nothing but my breath when the TV is cooled off.

THX CINEMA (1st shot is how it looks, second pic overexposed)





(HDR shots iPhone 4S: first is what the room actually looks like, the second is a little overexposed)



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Was the cloth lint-free? It should be fine, unless you're a mutant who exhales corrosive chemicals.
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Was the cloth lint-free? It should be fine, unless you're a mutant who exhales corrosive chemicals.

Cloth was microfiber and dry.

And by repetes post I'm guessing that it's just fine
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"Let it go, let it go" as they say in Frozen. It's fine. Just enjoy the set and forget about obsessing over everything about it. If you feel like you can't then you need to get away from it for 14 days. Your set is fine

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i use the "huff (my breath) and wipe method" as i mentioned before to clean my ZT60 while it was cooled off. I think I may have wiped off a layer of the filter because it seems to let more light in now and with all shades open the panel no longer seems as black as it was when prior to cleaning it. Did not use nay chemicals, water, etc. The manual says to use 1 part soap and 100 parts water and ring it out so its slightly damp and then follow with a dry cloth. I didn't do any of that, I would just huff on a spot and wipe it off. I can't imagine this would cause damage or removal of the filter but it does seem to be lighter.

Someone also stated the filter is underneath the glass so maybe all is good but here's some pics with all light on and blinds open. I just remember the filter making everything look darker with light hitting it not washed out like this. My method involves nothing but my breath when the TV is cooled off.

THX CINEMA (1st shot is how it looks, second pic overexposed)





(HDR shots iPhone 4S: first is what the room actually looks like, the second is a little overexposed)



Self, you are exhausting everyone here with your posts.

I know there was a petiton sent to the White House to have Justin Beiber removed from the US. While that might seem crazy, I wouldn't be surprised to see the next petition saying Self can no longer post on AVS.
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Was the cloth lint-free? It should be fine, unless you're a mutant who exhales corrosive chemicals.

Lmao!!!!
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Smearing is the worst you could do, unless you have super human strength like Hulk (woot, another analogy), but then you'd have rubbed the set right off its stand and would be in a helluva lot more hurt (shattered panel all over the floor).
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Smearing is the worst you could do, unless you have super human strength like Hulk (woot, another analogy), but then you'd have rubbed the set right off its stand and would be in a helluva lot more hurt (shattered panel all over the floor).
In all seriousness, maybe he just rubbed all the glass off of the TV.
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You are eveel!! He's likely to think that's possible given the past reported cases of corner "separation." wink.gif Speaking of which, I'm happy to report my glass has not fallen off, even after laying it down flat to complete the fan foam repair.
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You are eveel!! He's likely to think that's possible given the past reported cases of corner "separation." wink.gif Speaking of which, I'm happy to report my glass has not fallen off, even after laying it down flat to complete the fan foam repair.
I am serious. I heard if you scrub fast enough you can turn the glass back into sand. Just check in front of the TV and make sure it does not look like you are at the beach.
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"Buzzard breath" or as I like to call it, Barnacle breath, has been known to remove that special coating on the ZT's. Often this is worse than using a Windex type product. I think you have voided your warranty, Self.

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"Buzzard breath" or as I like to call it, Barnacle breath, has been known to remove that special coating on the ZT's. Often this is worse than using a Windex type product. I think you have voided your warranty, Self.
Crap, I didn't even think about that. Hope he didn't use morning breath. That would sure do it.
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Glad not only do I annoy but bring some psychotic entertainment.

I didn't think they were that delicate as far as the filter but I just didn't wanna take off this awesome filter. It was pretty easy to mess up the KUROS filter.

I don't see how a huff could ruin or take anything off. I just remember it being darker when light hit it but I guess not. The VT filter was ok but would wash out in direct light. The ZT I thought would maintain the darkness and not wash out easily.

Sorry like you, I am tired, the buzz is driving me nuts not just wen watching but all day it's just bothersome. And seeing what happened to Garman I jus tl can't stomach a fix and the risk and mental strain it will give me. I never should have touched the screen, it just seems different after cleaning it. Unless I'm the hulk you guys are saying it's practically impossible with the method I use to do damage or make the filter less effective? Seems pretty harmless what I did
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Glad not only do I annoy but bring some psychotic entertainment.

I didn't think they were that delicate as far as the filter but I just didn't wanna take off this awesome filter. It was pretty easy to mess up the KUROS filter.

I don't see how a huff could ruin or take anything off. I just remember it being darker when light hit it but I guess not. The VT filter was ok but would wash out in direct light. The ZT I thought would maintain the darkness and not wash out easily.

Sorry like you, I am tired, the buzz is driving me nuts not just wen watching but all day it's just bothersome. And seeing what happened to Garman I jus tl can't stomach a fix and the risk and mental strain it will give me. I never should have touched the screen, it just seems different after cleaning it. Unless I'm the hulk you guys are saying it's practically impossible with the method I use to do damage or make the filter less effective? Seems pretty harmless what I did

It's time to be rid of these problems and just go back to the Elite. Your manic and need help my friend....

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It's time to be rid of these problems and just go back to the Elite. Your manic and need help my friend....

Well gov rewind 7 years as I could buy one. Other than that I'm stuck with my
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You are eveel!! He's likely to think that's possible given the past reported cases of corner "separation." wink.gif Speaking of which, I'm happy to report my glass has not fallen off, even after laying it down flat to complete the fan foam repair.

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In all seriousness, maybe he just rubbed all the glass off of the TV.

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Glad not only do I annoy but bring some psychotic entertainment.

I didn't think they were that delicate as far as the filter but I just didn't wanna take off this awesome filter. It was pretty easy to mess up the KUROS filter.

I don't see how a huff could ruin or take anything off. I just remember it being darker when light hit it but I guess not. The VT filter was ok but would wash out in direct light. The ZT I thought would maintain the darkness and not wash out easily.

Sorry like you, I am tired, the buzz is driving me nuts not just wen watching but all day it's just bothersome. And seeing what happened to Garman I jus tl can't stomach a fix and the risk and mental strain it will give me. I never should have touched the screen, it just seems different after cleaning it. Unless I'm the hulk you guys are saying it's practically impossible with the method I use to do damage or make the filter less effective? Seems pretty harmless what I did

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Well gov rewind 7 years as I could buy one. Other than that I'm stuck with my
Filter less, buzzing, cracking, fan noises zt60. Great high end product

Junk, Trash, buzzing panel, Loud fans - probably the only way you can watch it is with headphones!

SELF - you can take a tax write-off by donating to a non-profit tax-exempt organization in your area. Not only will you receive the tax benefit but you will bring some joy into the lives of some less fortunate individuals who will truly enjoy your ZT.

You will no longer be tormented every waking hour thinking about this piece of junk you bought!

What ever inspired you to buy this horrible TV - maybe you could share with us (in 10,000 words or less).

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Hey guys, anyone know what the recommended gamma is for THX 3D cinema? I know THX shoots for 2.2 in standard THX cinema and 1.9 for THX bright room. I am curious to know what they recommend in their 3D setting or in other words what the gamma is calibrated at in the factory for THX 3D cinema.
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Well gov rewind 7 years as I could buy one. Other than that I'm stuck with my
Filter less, buzzing, cracking, fan noises zt60. Great high end product

Heaven help us.
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Glad not only do I annoy but bring some psychotic entertainment.

I didn't think they were that delicate as far as the filter but I just didn't wanna take off this awesome filter. It was pretty easy to mess up the KUROS filter.

I don't see how a huff could ruin or take anything off. I just remember it being darker when light hit it but I guess not. The VT filter was ok but would wash out in direct light. The ZT I thought would maintain the darkness and not wash out easily.

Sorry like you, I am tired, the buzz is driving me nuts not just wen watching but all day it's just bothersome. And seeing what happened to Garman I jus tl can't stomach a fix and the risk and mental strain it will give me. I never should have touched the screen, it just seems different after cleaning it...
"Unless I'm the hulk you guys are saying it's practically impossible with the method I use to do damage or make the filter less effective? Seems pretty harmless what I did"

 

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Glad not only do I annoy but bring some psychotic entertainment.

I didn't think they were that delicate as far as the filter but I just didn't wanna take off this awesome filter. It was pretty easy to mess up the KUROS filter.

I don't see how a huff could ruin or take anything off. I just remember it being darker when light hit it but I guess not. The VT filter was ok but would wash out in direct light. The ZT I thought would maintain the darkness and not wash out easily.

Sorry like you, I am tired, the buzz is driving me nuts not just wen watching but all day it's just bothersome. And seeing what happened to Garman I jus tl can't stomach a fix and the risk and mental strain it will give me. I never should have touched the screen, it just seems different after cleaning it. Unless I'm the hulk you guys are saying it's practically impossible with the method I use to do damage or make the filter less effective? Seems pretty harmless what I did

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If you look hard enough anticipating imperfections, your mind can trick your eyes into seeing or your ears into hearing them eek.gif

Self-fulfilling prophecy? One almost becomes delusional about these issues and no amount of evidence can change their mind - eventually you will/might actually see the filter (??) coming off on your micro-fiber cloth! If you get the "fix" it will only make things worse and created a whole new set of perceived problems - a lose, lose situation - dammed if I do, dammed if I don't - no win situation!

Very Sad what he is going though!

I just hope folks who join this thread realize that that these e-mails in no way represent the experiences of 99.9999% of ZT Owners who are enjoying the best HDTV ever made!

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Self-fulfilling prophecy? One almost becomes delusional about these issues and no amount of evidence can change their mind - eventually you will/might actually see the filter (??) coming off on your micro-fiber cloth! If you get the "fix" it will only make things worse and created a whole new set of perceived problems - a lose, lose situation - dammed if I do, dammed if I don't - no win situation!

Very Sad what he is going though!

I just hope folks who join this thread realize that that these e-mails in no way represent the experiences of 99.9999% of ZT Owners who are enjoying the best HDTV ever made!

You right bob it is sad...sad that a 3300$ TV needs a fan fix that will break the screen and is supposedly a high end flagship model but buzzes like a 50$ bug zapper when things get bright. Yes your right so sad that I bought this TV and now can't even try to fix it or it will crack. I'm surprised it didn't crack from cleaning the screen. To me the ZT60 was a test model. The VT60 is top of the line IMO. At least that had a model a year before (VT50). Should stuck with a 60VT. Would have the fan fix installed already from factory or would be easier to make the decision of getting it done if needed.

I am not getting into a Garman situation where I get screwed and stuck with a TV because the tech was to dumb to make sure it was right and take responsibility for it. I'm eagerly waiting for Vinnie to post when his screen cracks since one they laid it down and two didn't get one of the screws in. Wouldn't surprise me.

The ZT60 should have been a test model last year and been a refined model for this year. The capacitors are wayyyy to loud or not strong enough to handle the power this TV comes with. Guess that's what happens when you put cheap tech into a so called "flagship model".

So now I have to buy 200-300$ speakers just to mask the buzzing noise I get.

And your seriously going to tell me that 99.99% of ZT owners are trouble or problem free? Yea ok.

Unlike most in here some of us don't have retirement funds to spend or aren't millionaires that buy a new model every 6 months. Some of is have to live with our sets until they die to have a good reason to replace them. I mean Christ man some people haven't even had these sets a year yet and are already talking about upgrading to OLED (which doesn't seem to be going to well lately). And I'm the one who's nuts? That's awesome you guys can do that honestly, but I'm not rolling in can here. I got a TV that was the best out and finally something to overtake my 5020 in performance and it comes with some very very annoying issues which could prolly be easily fixed if it wasn't for this damn gapless design or fragility of the ZT.

PQ= best I've seen in a long long time
Performance, blacks, colors= tremendous jaw dropping.

Functionality and build= great aesthetics, feels very solid even on this little V stand, but my god the guts sound like they were taken out of a light that powers the world.

Other than that I crank the volume up to about 30 for the TV speakers (until I get some speakers) to drown out the buzz in quiet bright scenes. Which is why I asked you guys
If this was normal because it's only audible
On those type of scenes. Most here also have dedicated rooms and crazy surround sound that helps
You not notice a thing if you ever did.

Anyway just because I'm crazy doesn't mean these things aren't happening, so the situation I'm in pertains to people who can't afford to buy another TV and wanted something nice before it went out for good. I waited a long time to upgrade to something significant in PQ and it just has been disappointing. I like nice products but this is just too much, and I have no other solutions but to pray that if I get a tech over for the buzzing that they don't break it.
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You right bob it is sad...sad that a 3300$ TV needs a fan fix that will break the screen and is supposedly a high end flagship model but buzzes like a 50$ bug zapper when things get bright. Yes your right so sad that I bought this TV and now can't even try to fix it or it will crack. I'm surprised it didn't crack from cleaning the screen. To me the ZT60 was a test model. The VT60 is top of the line IMO. At least that had a model a year before (VT50). Should stuck with a 60VT. Would have the fan fix installed already from factory or would be easier to make the decision of getting it done if needed.

I am not getting into a Garman situation where I get screwed and stuck with a TV because the tech was to dumb to make sure it was right and take responsibility for it. I'm eagerly waiting for Vinnie to post when his screen cracks since one they laid it down and two didn't get one of the screws in. Wouldn't surprise me.

The ZT60 should have been a test model last year and been a refined model for this year. The capacitors are wayyyy to loud or not strong enough to handle the power this TV comes with. Guess that's what happens when you put cheap tech into a so called "flagship model".

So now I have to buy 200-300$ speakers just to mask the buzzing noise I get.

And your seriously going to tell me that 99.99% of ZT owners are trouble or problem free? Yea ok.

Unlike most in here some of us don't have retirement funds to spend or aren't millionaires that buy a new model every 6 months. Some of is have to live with our sets until they die to have a good reason to replace them. I mean Christ man some people haven't even had these sets a year yet and are already talking about upgrading to OLED (which doesn't seem to be going to well lately). And I'm the one who's nuts? That's awesome you guys can do that honestly, but I'm not rolling in can here. I got a TV that was the best out and finally something to overtake my 5020 in performance and it comes with some very very annoying issues which could prolly be easily fixed if it wasn't for this damn gapless design or fragility of the ZT.

PQ= best I've seen in a long long time
Performance, blacks, colors= tremendous jaw dropping.

Functionality and build= great aesthetics, feels very solid even on this little V stand, but my god the guts sound like they were taken out of a light that powers the world.

Other than that I crank the volume up to about 30 for the TV speakers (until I get some speakers) to drown out the buzz in quiet bright scenes. Which is why I asked you guys
If this was normal because it's only audible
On those type of scenes. Most here also have dedicated rooms and crazy surround sound that helps
You not notice a thing if you ever did.

Anyway just because I'm crazy doesn't mean these things aren't happening, so the situation I'm in pertains to people who can't afford to buy another TV and wanted something nice before it went out for good. I waited a long time to upgrade to something significant in PQ and it just has been disappointing. I like nice products but this is just too much, and I have no other solutions but to pray that if I get a tech over for the buzzing that they don't break it.

Just get Panasonic to refund your money...then you won't be complaining about spending $3300 on something that bugs out that much. Problem solved.
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