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post #12181 of 12936 Old 07-06-2014, 07:47 AM
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Hi all new ZT60 owner here.

Jan 2014 build. I have very noticeable fan noise. On mute I can easily here it 10 ft away. Sounds like a ps3 or something.

Now I thought the fan noise issues had been sorted in mid 2013?

Screen is fine, just the droning fan noise that is a real downer.

Just for sanity sake, have you recent owners had noticeable fan noise?
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The fan fix reduced the noise. The degree to which you notice noise with or without the fix seems to vary a great deal.
+1 all plasma tvs will buzz. Every single one.

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No it's a defect. I just listened to the back carefully. Every fan is essentially quiet except for the one that is in the upper left hand part of the tv if you are looking at the front of it. The droning I hear is all coming from this one fan.

Do I have any other alternative but to return it? What is this fan fix you are speaking of? Can I do this myself or is this a panasonic repair thing?
There is a buzz...you just can't hear it for some reason.

All plasma tvs have and will buzz. It's part of the technology.
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I went to my friends house .. he has a Sharp Elite 60". I hate sharp because my dad had one and it broke in less than one year.. but I tell you the pQ was pretty good. I was a little bit shaken up because I think the picture was better than my ZT60 65". Someone tell me I'm wrong!!!!
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The sharp elite is a Very good tv. The only downside it has is a problem with decoding cyan.

Other than that, it's a very very very competitive tv and if the color decoding issue can be calibrated out can make any series of the kuro and the ZT60 run for its life.

It's a sick a tv...black levels would be a hair or two hairs darker WHEN u sit in the middle tho haha
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The sharp elite is a Very good tv. The only downside it has is a problem with decoding cyan.

Other than that, it's a very very very competitive tv and if the color decoding issue can be calibrated out can make any series of the kuro and the ZT60 run for its life.

It's a sick a tv...black levels would be a hair or two hairs darker WHEN u sit in the middle tho haha
Sharp "bought" the name/trademark/whatever from pioneer and spent many dollars producing an excellent very expensive TV that did not sell well

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^ ^ ^ ^ ^

While the Sharp Elite is truly an excellent display and probably the best LED out there, it still doesn't best the ZT60. In fact, what's the set Thomas Norton the reviewer owns?... a ZT60.

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^ ^ ^ ^ ^

While the Sharp Elite is truly an excellent display and probably the best LED out there, it still doesn't best the ZT60. In fact, what's the set Thomas Norton the reviewer owns?... a ZT60.
ZT is the best HDTV ever made and is the reference model for most reviewers!! Benchmark against which all others are measured!

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Looks like it was made jan 10th. Regardless I wish it was quieter. It's definitely one fan that is the culprit.

Has anyone actually had a Panasonic rep replace a fan?
Fan replacements have happened but typically it's just foam is added behind some of the fans to reduce their vibrations. The additional foam is the official fan noise fix from Panasonic. (Maybe yours doesn't really have it?) As suggested, you may want to check out the fan fix thread to see some of your options, official or otherwise.

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I have finished running D-Nice's prep slides for 100+ hours on my set and I would like to now apply his reference settings. BUT, I cannot see "Professional 1" or "Professional 2" in Picture Mode. FWIW, I'm running the latest firmware on the TV.
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I went to my friends house .. he has a Sharp Elite 60". I hate sharp because my dad had one and it broke in less than one year.. but I tell you the pQ was pretty good. I was a little bit shaken up because I think the picture was better than my ZT60 65". Someone tell me I'm wrong!!!!
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^ ^ ^ ^ ^

While the Sharp Elite is truly an excellent display and probably the best LED out there, it still doesn't best the ZT60. In fact, what's the set Thomas Norton the reviewer owns?... a ZT60.
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ZT is the best HDTV ever made and is the reference model for most reviewers!! Benchmark against which all others are measured!

If it wasn't for the cyan color decoding issue on the elite, it would beat the zt60 and kuro by a margin.....it's still the best full local dimming set out there sans color decoding issue with cyan.

FYI it can achieve darker black levels than any set today other than oleds.
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I have finished running D-Nice's prep slides for 100+ hours on my set and I would like to now apply his reference settings. BUT, I cannot see "Professional 1" or "Professional 2" in Picture Mode. FWIW, I'm running the latest firmware on the TV.
You have to turn on the ISFccc mode in settings. Once you do that the pro modes will appear.
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ZT is the best HDTV ever made and is the reference model for most reviewers!! Benchmark against which all others are measured!
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If it wasn't for the cyan color decoding issue on the elite, it would beat the zt60 and kuro by a margin.....it's still the best full local dimming set out there sans color decoding issue with cyan.

FYI it can achieve darker black levels than any set today other than oleds.
Debatable

From S&V "The Elite and the Pioneer reproduced the other dark scenes in Stargate: Continuum equally well. But while the Pioneer appears to handle the most challenging dark scenes marginally better than the Elite, you’ll never notice the differences short of an A/B comparison. When the source is a full black screen, the Elite is generally a gnat’s eyelash darker than the Pioneer, although both sets measure impressively (though not totally) black."

Sharp is an excellent TV but ZT is better and now the benchmark by which others are measured - SADLY - that might mean being the best/excellent is a death sentence since both (and the Kuro) are no longer made!!

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You have to turn on the ISFccc mode in settings. Once you do that the pro modes will appear.
whipit, thank you for your help, I now see it.
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just brought a new 65zt60. should i use break in slides. can anyone point me to instruction fore break in and calibration parameters
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Where are you located and did you get a US model?
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You can use information from this thread for your model. It's a complicated issue so you will probably get conflicting advise.

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Debatable

From S&V "The Elite and the Pioneer reproduced the other dark scenes in Stargate: Continuum equally well. But while the Pioneer appears to handle the most challenging dark scenes marginally better than the Elite, you’ll never notice the differences short of an A/B comparison. When the source is a full black screen, the Elite is generally a gnat’s eyelash darker than the Pioneer, although both sets measure impressively (though not totally) black."

Sharp is an excellent TV but ZT is better and now the benchmark by which others are measured - SADLY - that might mean being the best/excellent is a death sentence since both (and the Kuro) are no longer made!!
I like my zt60.. but there is something about the motion that bothers me. I am using the CNET settings. Even set at weak, there seems to be some jitteriness. When I went to my friends house and saw the Elite, the motion was easier on my eyes. However, like I said Sharp is crap
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I like my zt60.. but there is something about the motion that bothers me. I am using the CNET settings. Even set at weak, there seems to be some jitteriness. When I went to my friends house and saw the Elite, the motion was easier on my eyes. However, like I said Sharp is crap
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Try D-Nice settings - have D-Nice, CNET & S&V in my settings and use D-Nice nearly all the time - see above for link

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Do you guys notice line bleed on your set. Most of the timeit is pretty good but there are instances where the line bleed is very noticeable. I initially thought they mostly licked this problem on the ZTs but it still shows up in certain situations from time to time with graphic blocksagainst more solid areas.

It’s my only beef with plasma and I’ve learned to accept it,but I just want to compare notes to see if people do notice it from time to time

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I would quantify it as very obvious with a wall of text (especially when vertically scrolling) on a solid background. Nature of the plasma beast but an afterthought for the most part.
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Do you guys notice line bleed on your set. Most of the timeit is pretty good but there are instances where the line bleed is very noticeable. I initially thought they mostly licked this problem on the ZTs but it still shows up in certain situations from time to time with graphic blocksagainst more solid areas.

It’s my only beef with plasma and I’ve learned to accept it,but I just want to compare notes to see if people do notice it from time to time
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I would quantify it as very obvious with a wall of text (especially when vertically scrolling) on a solid background. Nature of the plasma beast but an afterthought for the most part.
Guys I see some line bleed on my zt60 on those green/blue scenes on blu-ray discs. I think its the film content information screens.

Ill see a dark line extending from beneath the text to each side of the screen
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Another question:

Has the Black Extension feature under Pro Settings been debunked as not having a beneficial effect on picture quality?

Reason being...I was searching through the help settings on the zt menu and came across a section explaining the pq features

For Black Extension it says: " 0 - 15 Adjusts the gradations in dark shades of the image "

I know the ZT60 is capable of approx 30,000 shades of black. Could this feature enable the shades of gradations? THe higher the settings the more gradations?

I have not come across a professional reviewer or calibrator talking about this particular feature/commenting on its effectiveness

I have it maxed at 15 right now...I dont see any detriment to the picture quality soo far....

Whats the word on this?
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Another question:

Has the Black Extension feature under Pro Settings been debunked as not having a beneficial effect on picture quality?

Reason being...I was searching through the help settings on the zt menu and came across a section explaining the pq features

For Black Extension it says: " 0 - 15 Adjusts the gradations in dark shades of the image "

I know the ZT60 is capable of approx 30,000 shades of black. Could this feature enable the shades of gradations? THe higher the settings the more gradations?

I have not come across a professional reviewer or calibrator talking about this particular feature/commenting on its effectiveness

I have it maxed at 15 right now...I dont see any detriment to the picture quality soo far....

Whats the word on this?

It is frowned upon by professional calibrators, I have seen the effects on a test pattern. There is really no reason to use that on the ZT/VT imo. I has nothing to do with gradation shades

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I would quantify it as very obvious with a wall of text (especially when vertically scrolling) on a solid background. Nature of the plasma beast but an afterthought for the most part.
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Another question:

Has the Black Extension feature under Pro Settings been debunked as not having a beneficial effect on picture quality?

Reason being...I was searching through the help settings on the zt menu and came across a section explaining the pq features

For Black Extension it says: " 0 - 15 Adjusts the gradations in dark shades of the image "

I know the ZT60 is capable of approx 30,000 shades of black. Could this feature enable the shades of gradations? THe higher the settings the more gradations?

I have not come across a professional reviewer or calibrator talking about this particular feature/commenting on its effectiveness

I have it maxed at 15 right now...I dont see any detriment to the picture quality soo far....

Whats the word on this?
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It is frowned upon by professional calibrators, I have seen the effects on a test pattern. There is really no reason to use that on the ZT/VT imo. I has nothing to do with gradation shades
Is that right? What happens on test patterns? Does it crush detail when engaged?
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I like my zt60.. but there is something about the motion that bothers me. I am using the CNET settings. Even set at weak, there seems to be some jitteriness. When I went to my friends house and saw the Elite, the motion was easier on my eyes. However, like I said Sharp is crap
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Same for me. Turned them off long ago, you should too. Believe your own eyes.
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Is that right? What happens on test patterns? Does it crush detail when engaged?

Yes it crushes blacks if anything it probably hurts gradation. Not sure why you would even consider using that setting with a tv that get so black anyway .
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I've got a question about the Netflix app on the ZT60. I watched The Hunger Games Catching Fire the other day using the Netflix app on the ZT60. It's really the first time I've closely watched 1080p Netflix content on the set, I've only had it a few months. It exhibited what I believe is judder - I'd see jumpiness that felt like frames were missing, being skipped, or jumped over. This was especially evident on slow panning shots. I haven't dealt much with judder - I think I'm using the right term. There was also pretty serious soap opera effect.

I haven't seen any indications that the ZT60 suffers from judder in general. I also haven't seen any comments that The Hunger Games Catching Fire does - aside from generally jumpy and unstable shooting, but this is a different issue. So, I wonder about the built in Netflix app - are people using it, and could it be contributing to judder and the soap opera effect?

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tdallen - Check your Picture Settings. Motion Smoother should be set to OFF.
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Another question:

Has the Black Extension feature under Pro Settings been debunked as not having a beneficial effect on picture quality?

Reason being...I was searching through the help settings on the zt menu and came across a section explaining the pq features

For Black Extension it says: " 0 - 15 Adjusts the gradations in dark shades of the image "

I know the ZT60 is capable of approx 30,000 shades of black. Could this feature enable the shades of gradations? THe higher the settings the more gradations?

I have not come across a professional reviewer or calibrator talking about this particular feature/commenting on its effectiveness

I have it maxed at 15 right now...I dont see any detriment to the picture quality soo far....

Whats the word on this?
I won't speak for ZT60 owners but on my PF30's the only time I use black extender is

1) watching sports with uniform green or whatever colored field and minimal shadow details, eg world cup football
2) in heavy ambient light, if the shadow details are being lost to ambient light you can afford to throw them out for a little extra boost

In casual viewing its ok, it does hurt gradations and probably should never be used with 16-235 output so use your judgment and always put it back for movies
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