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i have an 8th gen Kuro that has done me well for 6 years now. when i heard that panasonic was not going to make plasmas anymore it made me sad. i just can't stand LCD/LED. i went looking at a ZT but couldn't buy one because the silver bezel was too distracting... like a white halo around the picture.

this was a few months ago. then last week i heard samsung was stopping making plasmas as well. so i figured i had to get a new TV. i couldn't deal with the ZTs silver bezel (or so i thought), so i picked up an F8500 last week.

well, the picture quality was gorgeous, and the f8500 bezel fades away in the dark... it was so bright (too bright for my tastes) and the level of detail was outstanding... but there was just something odd about how it processed video-- even with all motion enhancement/judder crap turned off. like it was adding frames or something, that made all video seem really unnatural looking when people moved around on screen. not to mention it buzzed like crazy (which i could live with, since my kuro buzzed too). it's a great TV, but there was just something off about the motion processing it that just didn't sit right.

i couldn't deal with with it, so i said F it and exchanged it for a ZT instead... i got the last one this large national chain had in stock, amazingly enough!

well, the ZT bezel totally fades away in the dark and is a total non-issue! no buzzing... this ZT is like a kuro on steroids! honestly, this thing is 99% perfect. couldn't be happier. used CNETs calibration settings and have just been so satisfied all night watching... the black is so dark it fades into the wall... just unbelievable.

so happy i made the switch, 110% satisfied!
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I assumed based on your avatar that you might be sympathetic to my Velocity channel dilemma
You mentioned being gentle for the first 200 hours then only in the last month or two usuing it normally. I was very careful as well, then went to normal use, and between approximately 200 to 1200 hours had no issues. It was after I reached that many hours that the IR showed up. I had heard of this from other members, but honestly shrugged it off as an anomaly. It just didn't fit conventional thinking that it would be fine past break-in for that many hours THEN develop an IR issue.......... WRONG I can say that after the Velocity incident, by avoiding prolonged daily viewing of the channels with solid logos, I have avoided any other IR incidents. I also run the screen wipe about once a week for good measure, as well as the pixel flipper. My image retained "V" has faded so much now that you have to really look hard for it on a solid light colored background to see it. I'm hoping over time as the phosphors continue to age that the set becomes less and less prone to IR. It is still the best picture available IMO.
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This is why I refuse to watch anymore Velocity channel on this TV. I have the "V" IR almost gone, just barely visible if you know it's there and where to look. I'm scared if I go back to that channel for any length of time I'll bring back the IR quickly
Hi,
I completely agree about the seemingly randomness of IR manifesting.
A year prior to purchasing the 65ZT, I purchased a 60GT50.

Much like the ZT, I followed the CW vis a vis break in and the entire duration of it being in my HT with no IR.
Back then, the amount of hours the bloody thing was on is silly. Prolly 18 hours a day with no concerns of station logos. The ticker on ESPN? Hells no, but beyond that fairly open usage.

In February, I finally got around to connecting the now MBR GT50 to my wireless network. Due to the silly length of said password, it did take a hot minute to connect, but still under 5 mins.

Regardless, after connecting I saw IR for the first time ever on either display. With WEP-AESII passwords being silly long, all those letters and numbers were visible. Thankfully, it has since dissipated and have not experienced any further instances of IR.

With the GT, I have the Best Buy PSP as it is one of the only that covers IR/Burn In. Especially prior to the cancellation, I played much Dorko 4 and other games again to no ill effect.
Unfortunately, between knowing that the ZT would be irreplaceable and BB wanting something like 4 times what I paid for the GT's PSP (I think it is 4yrs past MW) whilst only covering 3 years.
Needless to say I passed on the PSP this time.

I bring some of this up as I had kicked around the idea of placing the GT in the HT due to it being covered for IR, but then I kicked my own self in the arse.

Simply, I had become so hyper vigilant to the spectre of burn in that I really was not enjoying using it and worse the people I that both love and care enough to have in my home were afraid to change a bloody channel!

Since then, while still somewhat cautious, no longer will I view a stupid TV in almost total fear.
Not watching Velocity on this TV is a crime. It is some exceptional looking car porn!
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i have an 8th gen Kuro that has done me well for 6 years now. when i heard that panasonic was not going to make plasmas anymore it made me sad. i just can't stand LCD/LED. i went looking at a ZT but couldn't buy one because the silver bezel was too distracting... like a white halo around the picture.

this was a few months ago. then last week i heard samsung was stopping making plasmas as well. so i figured i had to get a new TV. i couldn't deal with the ZTs silver bezel (or so i thought), so i picked up an F8500 last week.

well, the picture quality was gorgeous, and the f8500 bezel fades away in the dark... it was so bright (too bright for my tastes) and the level of detail was outstanding... but there was just something odd about how it processed video-- even with all motion enhancement/judder crap turned off. like it was adding frames or something, that made all video seem really unnatural looking when people moved around on screen. not to mention it buzzed like crazy (which i could live with, since my kuro buzzed too). it's a great TV, but there was just something off about the motion processing it that just didn't sit right.

i couldn't deal with with it, so i said F it and exchanged it for a ZT instead... i got the last one this large national chain had in stock, amazingly enough!

well, the ZT bezel totally fades away in the dark and is a total non-issue! no buzzing... this ZT is like a kuro on steroids! honestly, this thing is 99% perfect. couldn't be happier. used CNETs calibration settings and have just been so satisfied all night watching... the black is so dark it fades into the wall... just unbelievable.

so happy i made the switch, 110% satisfied!

Congrat's on the new ZT. Glad to hear you are enjoying it!

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Well I just past the one year mark with my ZT. So far I'm still enjoying all it has to offer. Have seen all this talk lately about IR. Been watching it too much to pay attention, but since I wanted to see how many hours we've put on it I checked IR. At 3097 hours I still do have the channel 4 logo very faint bottom right of screen and they have moved their logo over about an 2 inches so a new one is showing slightly. It is not noticeable on any content and we vary our content between games, Tv, and movies.

I think I would like to look into getting this TV calibrated and see what everyone is talking about. I've never had one done except what I tried with the Disney WOW disc.

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i have an 8th gen Kuro that has done me well for 6 years now. when i heard that panasonic was not going to make plasmas anymore it made me sad. i just can't stand LCD/LED. i went looking at a ZT but couldn't buy one because the silver bezel was too distracting... like a white halo around the picture.

this was a few months ago. then last week i heard samsung was stopping making plasmas as well. so i figured i had to get a new TV. i couldn't deal with the ZTs silver bezel (or so i thought), so i picked up an F8500 last week.

well, the picture quality was gorgeous, and the f8500 bezel fades away in the dark... it was so bright (too bright for my tastes) and the level of detail was outstanding... but there was just something odd about how it processed video-- even with all motion enhancement/judder crap turned off. like it was adding frames or something, that made all video seem really unnatural looking when people moved around on screen. not to mention it buzzed like crazy (which i could live with, since my kuro buzzed too). it's a great TV, but there was just something off about the motion processing it that just didn't sit right.

i couldn't deal with with it, so i said F it and exchanged it for a ZT instead... i got the last one this large national chain had in stock, amazingly enough!

well, the ZT bezel totally fades away in the dark and is a total non-issue! no buzzing... this ZT is like a kuro on steroids! honestly, this thing is 99% perfect. couldn't be happier. used CNETs calibration settings and have just been so satisfied all night watching... the black is so dark it fades into the wall... just unbelievable.

so happy i made the switch, 110% satisfied!

I would have preferred an all black bezel as well. You could always put black tape over the silver bit of course. That's what I used to do with the surround for my projector. Or you could use the treatment I gave one of my cars that had some odd chrome trim that I wanted black. I used a glass fibre abrasive rubbing down stick to give a key and painted it with matt black Humbrol. The stuff you buy in model shops. That was still on the car after 20 years of sitting outside.


I find the picture when the screen on so hypnotic that I never remember about the bezel though and in the dark corner position that I have the ZT in doesn't really pick up the light when it's not on.
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Hi,
I completely agree about the seemingly randomness of IR manifesting.
A year prior to purchasing the 65ZT, I purchased a 60GT50.

Much like the ZT, I followed the CW vis a vis break in and the entire duration of it being in my HT with no IR.
Back then, the amount of hours the bloody thing was on is silly. Prolly 18 hours a day with no concerns of station logos. The ticker on ESPN? Hells no, but beyond that fairly open usage.

In February, I finally got around to connecting the now MBR GT50 to my wireless network. Due to the silly length of said password, it did take a hot minute to connect, but still under 5 mins.

Regardless, after connecting I saw IR for the first time ever on either display. With WEP-AESII passwords being silly long, all those letters and numbers were visible. Thankfully, it has since dissipated and have not experienced any further instances of IR.

With the GT, I have the Best Buy PSP as it is one of the only that covers IR/Burn In. Especially prior to the cancellation, I played much Dorko 4 and other games again to no ill effect.
Unfortunately, between knowing that the ZT would be irreplaceable and BB wanting something like 4 times what I paid for the GT's PSP (I think it is 4yrs past MW) whilst only covering 3 years.
Needless to say I passed on the PSP this time.

I bring some of this up as I had kicked around the idea of placing the GT in the HT due to it being covered for IR, but then I kicked my own self in the arse.

Simply, I had become so hyper vigilant to the spectre of burn in that I really was not enjoying using it and worse the people I that both love and care enough to have in my home were afraid to change a bloody channel!

Since then, while still somewhat cautious, no longer will I view a stupid TV in almost total fear.
Not watching Velocity on this TV is a crime. It is some exceptional looking car porn!
Best,
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I hate not watching Velocity on my ZT also, but I do watch it on the bedroom Kuro I'm hoping that if in time, the last bit of "V" IR fades, I can go back to watching some Velocity on this set.......... just not placing the channel on all day..... day after day...... even as background if I'm doing other things around the house....... that's what I think caused my issue
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tdallen - Check your Picture Settings. Motion Smoother should be set to OFF.
Thanks Beetulz, looks like that did it. I'm already set that way for other inputs, but wasn't remembering to check again during Netflix playback as a separate input.
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Well, as for me, high-def content still looks too amazing to dump, so I'll just "suffer" through it. When an OLED comes along, larger in size, with decent motion resolution (closer to 1080p than 600p), and at an affordable price, I suspect the ZT will find its way onto the classifieds. That is still another year a way at the earliest.
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Is the motion really that poor ? Is so that's too bad, I am sure there is a breakthrough right around the corner for that.

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Well, the LG is restricted to a max of 600p motion resolution, so that will create some inherent blur. It's mostly masked by, I would wager, the 1) faster OLED pixel response time and 2) infinite CR. A higher refresh rate for gen 2 and more brightness would give them more motion rez mitigation options (like black frame insertion, akin to what the Samsung OLED implements). In a little over a month, we'll see what kind of progress they've made (at the shootout).

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I have always wondered why color filters were not used on plasma, xrox once mentioned something about conversion phosphors which change to any wavelength but filters would work just the same, with the rise and fall time of some phosphors being almost instantaneous all known motion artifacts you can think of would be eliminated (DFC, rainbows, trails) and with the latest addressing techniques you could easily push enough samples to replicate real life
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