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I hope OLED is quickly adopted by every household in America. I figure if that happens, the people trying to sell the few remaining brand new 65" ZT60's for 8K might settle for 400-500 bucks, or less.
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I hope OLED is quickly adopted by every household in America.
We've all been hoping (& waiting) for that for going on a half decade now. The sooner the better, but I can guarantee it won't happen in the time it takes to move any remaining ZT60 stock.

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I hope OLED is quickly adopted by every household in America. I figure if that happens, the people trying to sell the few remaining brand new 65" ZT60's for 8K might settle for 400-500 bucks, or less.
The ZT60 in this household won't be replaced any time soon. I am still amazed by it's picture quality
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That said, if that's all that were available, I'd still elect for the curved screen over the antiquated plasma, size being equal (or greater). I don't feel it's detrimental, just not beneficial.
Why on earth would you select a curved screen?
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Have any of you had any trouble with your HDMI inputs on the ZT60? Mine stopped working all of the sudden. I can use the TV's apps but I can not receive a signal in via HDMI. This is very disappointing as my p54s1 still works flawlessly after many years and the ZT60 is only a few months old.
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That said, if that's all that were available, I'd still elect for the curved screen over the antiquated plasma, size being equal (or greater). I don't feel it's detrimental, just not beneficial.

I've read some adverse comments about odd picture geometry for viewers off to the side of curved sets.


I could have bought the LG OLED but I preferred the picture quality on the "antiquated"? ZT.
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I hope OLED is quickly adopted by every household in America. I figure if that happens, the people trying to sell the few remaining brand new 65" ZT60's for 8K might settle for 400-500 bucks, or less.

When I bought my Kuro seven years ago, OLED was being touted as the next best thing in panel tech. Second hand Kuro's still sell for $3000 plus in the UK. Despite the OLED TV's now being available.


I could sell my ZT now for more than I paid for it (not that I'm going to) so don't expect any bargain deals anytime soon.
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The ZT60 in this household won't be replaced any time soon. I am still amazed by it's picture quality
Believe me, I understand. I recently bought a VT60, and felt lucky to do so. I would probably buy a ZT60 if prices weren't crazy. On the other hand, I'm sure crazy is relative. I really wish I had been paying attention, in which case I would have bought one last year.
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Why on earth would you select a curved screen?
The benefit of an infinite contrast ratio can't be overstated. A slight curvature of the screen is forgotten after being immersed in such a viewing experience. If I was looking at geometrical shapes with lots of linearity on screen, I might have a different opinion.
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I've read some adverse comments about odd picture geometry for viewers off to the side of curved sets.


I could have bought the LG OLED but I preferred the picture quality on the "antiquated"? ZT.
That may very well be...especially if you venture into viewing at extreme angles.

By antiquated, I am referring to the power draw and the heat produced. I'm finding it a bit extreme in the high desert. If I have to deal with IR concerns and constant screen wiping, I'd rather it be on a panel that uses a fraction of the power.
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I've read some adverse comments about odd picture geometry for viewers off to the side of curved sets.


I could have bought the LG OLED but I preferred the picture quality on the "antiquated"? ZT.
See intersting comments from both CNET & Consumer Reports on "CURVES"

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-un78hu9000/

Samsung UNHU9000 review: Great picture quality, but the curved screen is a flat-out gimmick

Curved screens can make a striking appearance but don't add much to the viewing experience, Consumer Reports finds Published: July 14, 2014 11:00 AM
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When I bought my Kuro seven years ago, OLED was being touted as the next best thing in panel tech. Second hand Kuro's still sell for $3000 plus in the UK. Despite the OLED TV's now being available.


I could sell my ZT now for more than I paid for it (not that I'm going to) so don't expect any bargain deals anytime soon.
Moved my 50" Kuro to the bedroom when I went "large" and bought the 65" ZT60 for the living room. I do feel blessed to have this quality of picture available to me in both rooms....... ZT60 IR not withstanding.
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That may very well be...especially if you venture into viewing at extreme angles.

By antiquated, I am referring to the power draw and the heat produced. I'm finding it a bit extreme in the high desert. If I have to deal with IR concerns and constant screen wiping, I'd rather it be on a panel that uses a fraction of the power.

Just wait till the sun goes down

It's true that OLED uses even less power than LED. If they get rid of the screen door effect I may well get one later in the year. Not sure what "infinite contrast ratio" means though.
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The benefit of an infinite contrast ratio can't be overstated. A slight curvature of the screen is forgotten after being immersed in such a viewing experience. If I was looking at geometrical shapes with lots of linearity on screen, I might have a different opinion.
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That may very well be...especially if you venture into viewing at extreme angles.

By antiquated, I am referring to the power draw and the heat produced. I'm finding it a bit extreme in the high desert. If I have to deal with IR concerns and constant screen wiping, I'd rather it be on a panel that uses a fraction of the power.
Off axis is always much less of an issue if the main inhabitants sit in the sweet spots to view........ I guess if one has a large family with side seating it would become more of an issue. Power draw and heat = antiquated........ picture quality = state of the art.......... IR = GRRRRRRRRRRR Although that is not really funny when it happens to you....... as "V" and I well know
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The benefit of an infinite contrast ratio can't be overstated. A slight curvature of the screen is forgotten after being immersed in such a viewing experience. If I was looking at geometrical shapes with lots of linearity on screen, I might have a different opinion.
Other than "style" or "differentiation" is there any image quality benefit whatsoever to a curved screen? Can OLED not be made flat and retain infinite contrast or other desirable characteristics?

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Off axis is always much less of an issue if the main inhabitants sit in the sweet spots to view........ I guess if one has a large family with side seating it would become more of an issue. Power draw and heat = antiquated........ picture quality = state of the art.......... IR = GRRRRRRRRRRR Although that is not really funny when it happens to you....... as "V" and I well know

Yes. In my family everyone fights to sit in the middle, and that's with flat plasma screen. I won't even bother with anyone's LCD TV unless I can get a centre seat.
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Just wait till the sun goes down

It's true that OLED uses even less power than LED. If they get rid of the screen door effect I may well get one later in the year. Not sure what "infinite contrast ratio" means though.
Doesn't work for the sit-in at home. :P

How does undefined contrast ratio sound? Probably more accurate since it's mathematically impossible to divide by 0.
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Other than "style" or "differentiation" is there any image quality benefit whatsoever to a curved screen?
No, though there is some mumbo jumbo being peddled that makes claims otherwise.

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Can OLED not be made flat and retain infinite contrast or other desirable characteristics?
Yes, it can (there is a 55" flat model available)...but the Koreans are hellbent on differentiation.
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Normally in stores its hard to really see black level differences among sets and with mll being a small decimal number people dismiss black level differences as 'splitting hairs'. But if you see the OLED in store its hard not to marvel at its blacks since it really is so much better - even with the ridiculously bright environment it is being viewed in. Its not just a 'little' better.

Originally I was going to upgrade to the ZT60 from a vt50, but I've chosen to reallocate those funds to OLED in this/next year. I'm waiting for motion resolution and size to improve and increase, and then I'm all in.
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No, though there is some mumbo jumbo being peddled that makes claims otherwise.

That's what I was going for. Curved screens are another gimmick. I've no problem with OLED as a whole, but the curved screen is going to go the way of 3D tv.
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I dunno, the latter has been pretty far away from such until the past year. When relating to where the rubber hits the road and all.
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I think it's actually the Netflix closed captions that have caused the discoloration on solid backgrounds on the set. One other person reported this here. If you're hard of hearing or have a family member who will be watching with regularity, proceed with caution.
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This is why I got rid of my ZT60. Loved the picture and black levels, but after developing severe image retention from my satellite guide that wasn't clearing at all after a month, it was time to send it back. I've owned quite a few Panasonic plasmas in the past and have had issues with every one. Could have had the ZT replaced but had enough at that point dealing with Panasonic. Returned it for the F8500 and have not had a single issue with it and blacks are just like the VT50 I had, plus excellent day viewing.
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This is why I got rid of my ZT60. Loved the picture and black levels, but after developing severe image retention from my satellite guide that wasn't clearing at all after a month, it was time to send it back. I've owned quite a few Panasonic plasmas in the past and have had issues with every one. Could have had the ZT replaced but had enough at that point dealing with Panasonic. Returned it for the F8500 and have not had a single issue with it and blacks are just like the VT50 I had, plus excellent day viewing.
It was either the ZT60 or the F8500 for me, I went with the ZT60. I hope in time I don't regret that decision because of IR issues
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It was either the ZT60 or the F8500 for me, I went with the ZT60. I hope in time I don't regret that decision because of IR issues
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all right, i aged my zt60 using the slides for 250 hours, then started watching content on thx cinema. everything was good.

then, my wife left doctor who on the menu screen of the blu ray for 4 hours las tnight. bingo, i have lots of IR from the menu screen. not happy.

anyway, i've read lots of posts on here about the IR. I would just like someone to confirm what I plan to do to get rid of the IR, and add any comments you might have:

1. I'm running the slides again. I switched back from THX cinema to standard picture mode to do so. Should I have it on standard, or should I just leave it on THX cinema for the slides?

2. I just bought the Disney WOW disc so i can run the picture/pixel flipper option from that disc a bunch. it should be here friday for me to start running.

anything else anyone? any advice about what I wrote (or didnt write) would be most welcome.
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all right, i aged my zt60 using the slides for 250 hours, then started watching content on thx cinema. everything was good.

then, my wife left doctor who on the menu screen of the blu ray for 4 hours las tnight. bingo, i have lots of IR from the menu screen. not happy.

anyway, i've read lots of posts on here about the IR. I would just like someone to confirm what I plan to do to get rid of the IR, and add any comments you might have:

1. I'm running the slides again. I switched back from THX cinema to standard picture mode to do so. Should I have it on standard, or should I just leave it on THX cinema for the slides?

2. I just bought the Disney WOW disc so i can run the picture/pixel flipper option from that disc a bunch. it should be here friday for me to start running.

anything else anyone? any advice about what I wrote (or didnt write) would be most welcome.
Biggest thing to do right now is go into the menu and run the screen wipe for a LONG time...... like don't be afraid to run it for 12 to 24 hours. Alternate this with the pixel flipper. Don't think the slides will do much at this point for the IR.
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Have 65ZT since 10/13 watch all channels icluding ESPN, MLB,NFL, etc and no problem what so ever with IR - NONE - ZERO - Nothing!
This is what's so amazing about the IR issues ......... they seem to be totally random........ some sets do it, some report next to none.
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