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Disney WOW and aging the panel?

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looking @ d-nice new settings for the ZT60 see below - he list the "color gamut" as normal yet in the ZT menu it has "native" - confused - any suggestion or should we leave it @ rec.709???

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I've never seen a reason to have it anything other than 709.
Neither have I but was just curious about the change - in the old D-Nice ZT settings it was "709" now 'Normal" also color temp changed from "warm 2" to "Normal" along with some other changes. I prefer the new settings for my ZT but I also do not have the most "educated eye" - But HEY - WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY!

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The change is interesting. I'd be curious to know what D-Nice saw to justify it. I don't have equipment to measure the difference between the two settings, but when you read the description provided for "Native" it sounds like the kind of thing you normally wish to avoid.

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Neither have I but was just curious about the change - in the old D-Nice ZT settings it was "709" now 'Normal" also color temp changed from "warm 2" to "Normal" along with some other changes. I prefer the new settings for my ZT but I also do not have the most "educated eye" - But HEY - WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY!
Fwiw, I've been running color temp at "Normal" for a while, using THX Theater, based on eyeballing greyscale from spears & munsil calibration disc. Got rid of color tinges was seeing at warm 1 and warm 2 (and whatever their opposites are). Also may have bumped up my IR... but colors seem righter.
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Neither have I but was just curious about the change - in the old D-Nice ZT settings it was "709" now 'Normal" also color temp changed from "warm 2" to "Normal" along with some other changes. I prefer the new settings for my ZT but I also do not have the most "educated eye" - But HEY - WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY!
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Fwiw, I've been running color temp at "Normal" for a while, using THX Theater, based on eyeballing greyscale from spears & munsil calibration disc. Got rid of color tinges was seeing at warm 1 and warm 2 (and whatever their opposites are). Also may have bumped up my IR... but colors seem righter.
I have seen the same effect using the "normal" setting - a minor but observable change and improvement - I have D-Nice old/new in professional 1&2 and CNET settings in Cinema - best is D-Nice New by a long-shot (small improvements add up)

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Rest assured, the IR will go away, but it can take months and months.


I have a 65VT30 and a 65ZT60 .. the VT30 had a CNN logo for 9 months of 16:9 viewing until it finally went away, and I developed it after watching a well broken in panel for 12 hours on CNN ... Also those pixel flippers and screen wipes do nothing -- at least they did nothing for my sets -- I ran them 24/7 for days and days -- no change at all. God bless people that swear by them, they did NOTHING for me.


After 4 hours of cnn viewing on the ZT, IR developed for the logo.. and it took 2 days to completely go away.


The 9 months on the VT30 was very frustrating, but once it went away as everyone told me it would (and I didn't believe them) -- I now don't care, I know that IR just goes away after some time, and you'll have to deal with it while it is still present


Definitely have to be careful what you watch on these sets
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I've been looking at some floor model ZT60's. The sets I've looked at, or set at this point, had a lot of IR. Perhaps that should not be a concern if the price is right.
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Rest assured, the IR will go away, but it can take months and months.


I have a 65VT30 and a 65ZT60 .. the VT30 had a CNN logo for 9 months of 16:9 viewing until it finally went away, and I developed it after watching a well broken in panel for 12 hours on CNN ... Also those pixel flippers and screen wipes do nothing -- at least they did nothing for my sets -- I ran them 24/7 for days and days -- no change at all. God bless people that swear by them, they did NOTHING for me.


After 4 hours of cnn viewing on the ZT, IR developed for the logo.. and it took 2 days to completely go away.


The 9 months on the VT30 was very frustrating, but once it went away as everyone told me it would (and I didn't believe them) -- I now don't care, I know that IR just goes away after some time, and you'll have to deal with it while it is still present


Definitely have to be careful what you watch on these sets
What is truly amazing is how some folks have this problem and some don't - watch all the bad things ESPN. Bloomberg, NFL, MLB, etc. and absolutely nothing from day one - occasionally I run the screen swipe so I don't feel left out

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Rest assured, the IR will go away, but it can take months and months.


I have a 65VT30 and a 65ZT60 .. the VT30 had a CNN logo for 9 months of 16:9 viewing until it finally went away, and I developed it after watching a well broken in panel for 12 hours on CNN ... Also those pixel flippers and screen wipes do nothing -- at least they did nothing for my sets -- I ran them 24/7 for days and days -- no change at all. God bless people that swear by them, they did NOTHING for me.


After 4 hours of cnn viewing on the ZT, IR developed for the logo.. and it took 2 days to completely go away.


The 9 months on the VT30 was very frustrating, but once it went away as everyone told me it would (and I didn't believe them) -- I now don't care, I know that IR just goes away after some time, and you'll have to deal with it while it is still present


Definitely have to be careful what you watch on these sets
i have the 65vt30 with the ID logo in the lower right hand corner and it wont be going away as my wife always watches that channel
im guessing IR is just how the panel ages, the more it ages without the logo, the less noticable it will be
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What is truly amazing is how some folks have this problem and some don't - watch all the bad things ESPN. Bloomberg, NFL, MLB, etc. and absolutely nothing from day one - occasionally I run the screen swipe so I don't feel left out

some people can discern the very subtle IR and some just cannot. Perhaps these panels are all identical and peoples' subjective interpretations are varying here.


I've pointed out to buddies their IR (much to their dismay, ignorance is bliss) when they swore there was none.
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some people can discern the very subtle IR and some just cannot. Perhaps these panels are all identical and peoples' subjective interpretations are varying here.
Indeed. Add to that the fact that there are tens, hundreds, thousands of variables that aren't controlled for and it's difficult to reach any definitive conclusion regarding the ZT's predisposition toward IR.

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some people can discern the very subtle IR and some just cannot. Perhaps these panels are all identical and peoples' subjective interpretations are varying here.


I've pointed out to buddies their IR (much to their dismay, ignorance is bliss) when they swore there was none.
that's how i see it too, all the panels are going to have it to one degree or another; there's people that see it and no matter which panel they end up with, they are still going to see it. Similarly, there's some notable so called videophiles in the LCD areas claiming they can't see the uniformity issues and vertical banding on their lcd sets and those in the stores so it must be a small subset of owners that have the 'issue'. Its there, just like IR is there, its just a matter of whether you see it or need to go looking for it. I as a rule will never point it out to my family and friends, even when they are asking for it with comments like "why would you buy a plasma in 2012?". Ironically, when they are over at my house they feel like the image is more 'cinema' like than they are used to
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