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The one year old 65ZT60 TV I purchased has some burn-in artifacts (a logo and a 1cm smudge streak running horizontally across the 1/5th horizontal) when I was doing that screen swipe.. These are not prominent but light. Does anyone know if these artifacts go away over time or are they permanent?.

Re: Mounting
The mounting place that sticks on the wall is attached to a stud on one side only. On the other side, the installer (of a previous TV set) used drywall anchors. I am not happy with this.
I am thinking of reinforcing the mount setup by bolting (lag bolts) two 4X4 over the drywall (running between two vertical studs behind the drywall) to which I could attach the mounting plate. It will also give me the depth necessary as the TV is quite big and is interfering with the drywall pit above the fireplace.

My questions are:
How do I fasten the 4X4 to the studs behind the drywall above the fireplace properly?
How many lag bolts to use? etc. I am looking for a simple design spec. It is crucial that it is done right as the TV is almost 100lbs and a failure could be catastrophic


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The one year old 65ZT60 TV I purchased has some burn-in artifacts (a logo and a 1cm smudge streak running horizontally across the 1/5th horizontal) when I was doing that screen swipe.. These are not prominent but light. Does anyone know if these artifacts go away over time or are they permanent?.
IR is the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on a floor model 65" ZT60. I looked at one over the weekend that was pretty clean from an IR perspective, but it would be nice to think, or know, that it will eventually go away. I have a 55" VT60 that I bought with approximately 1000 hours on it. It has some very slight IR in the bottom right corner where static station logos are generally located. Generally speaking, it's not noticeable, but it's there and under certain conditions is noticeable. I've put about 200-300 hours on the set since I purchased it, some of which were the screen wipe and the Disney WOW pixel flipper, and I'm not sure I can tell much difference in the IR from when it was first identified.
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IR is the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on a floor model 65" ZT60. I looked at one over the weekend that was pretty clean from an IR perspective, but it would be nice to think, or know, that it will eventually go away. I have a 55" VT60 that I bought with approximately 1000 hours on it. It has some very slight IR in the bottom right corner where static station logos are generally located. Generally speaking, it's not noticeable, but it's there and under certain conditions is noticeable. I've put about 200-300 hours on the set since I purchased it, some of which were the screen wipe and the Disney WOW pixel flipper, and I'm not sure I can tell much difference in the IR from when it was first identified.
Well, if you do buy it, I wish you the sincerest best of luck. But please don't: I still think that buying a floor model ZT is beyond risky. An IR sensitive plasma model with the same loop pounding away on it all day? Sometimes these things aren't even shut off at night.

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Re: Mounting
The mounting place that sticks on the wall is attached to a stud on one side only. On the other side, the installer (of a previous TV set) used drywall anchors. I am not happy with this.
I am thinking of reinforcing the mount setup by bolting (lag bolts) two 4X4 over the drywall (running between two vertical studs behind the drywall) to which I could attach the mounting plate. It will also give me the depth necessary as the TV is quite big and is interfering with the drywall pit above the fireplace.

My questions are:
How do I fasten the 4X4 to the studs behind the drywall above the fireplace properly?
How many lag bolts to use? etc. I am looking for a simple design spec. It is crucial that it is done right as the TV is almost 100lbs and a failure could be catastrophic


thanks.
Not sure how you'll do it, but I wouldn't hang a TV that heavy without two studs holding the TV. You may need to remove the drywall and beef up the structural support in the wall. If the mounting plate is only big enough to cover one stud, consider using 3/4 plywood (furniture grade) over an area that overlaps two studs. Attach the plywood to the studs then the mounting plate to the plywood. The weight will be carried by both studs via that method. The plywood will likely be hidden behind the TV. Plus, paint the plywood to match the wall. That's the method I've used on 4 plasma since the mounting plate never lines up to where I want to install the TV. You can test whether it will hold by hanging your weight from the plate before attaching the TV. Never had one move. Three of my TVs easily weigh over 100 lbs. Even more when you consider the mount.

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Well, if you do buy it, I wish you the sincerest best of luck. But please don't: I still think that buying a floor model ZT is beyond risky. An IR sensitive plasma model with the same loop pounding away on it all day? Sometimes these things aren't even shut off at night.
I understand. If the price were right, and the set appeared to be in decent shape, I think I would be willing to take on a bit of risk. Based upon my brief experience with the VT60 I recently bought from a friend, I'm not terribly optimistic that all IR will go away, but hopefully the next few hundred hours I put on the set will change my opinion.
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Has been 5 months since according to our records the last ZT panel was manufactured: A16837 - January 10, 2014 - 65ZT60

If any one has a newer panel - "speak now or forever hold your piece" It has been fun - for your review and files,

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The DOM is determined by looking at the first four numbers of your serial number which represents the the year (3) and the next three the day of the year - I'm 3191 which means 2013 - July 10th - 191st day of the year
Serial # 3191 is July 10th 191st day of the year - Panel A8576 My panel 65zt
Serial # 3290 is October 17th. 290 day of the year - Panel A12650

A00022 : April
A00066 : April

A00110 - April 26 - 65ZT60
A00217 : April
A00269 : April
A00301 – April

A00449 : April
A00545 : April

A00653 : April
A00918 : May
A01132 : May
A01283 : May
A01387 : May
A01510 : May

A01533 : May 60ZT
A01925: May
A02060; May 10 - 60ZT
A02171 : May

A02299 : May
A02387 : May
A02488 : May
A02608 : May
A02732 : May

A03171 : May
A04795 - June 12
A05340: June
A05352: June
A05354: June
A056xx : June
A05692 : June

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A08576 - July 10 - 65ZT60
A09050 - 60ZT60

A10213; July 29 - 65ZT60
A10993 - August
A11541 - August 6 - 60ZT60
A11545 - August 6

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A13073 - October 17 - 65ZT60
A14196 - October 21 - 65ZT60
A14773 - October
A15249 - October 22 - 65ZT60
A15303 – October 22 – 60ZT60

A15890 - October 23 - 60ZT60
A15900 - October 23 - 60ZT60

A16422 - October 30 - 65ZT60
A16614 - November 13
A16781 – December 4 - 65ZT60
A16796 – December

A16837 - January 10, 2014 - 65ZT60. 49 PANELS
I'm not sure whether I'm too late, but I just got my ZT and it's no is: A16932
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I'm not sure whether I'm too late, but I just got my ZT and it's no is: A16932
One question - at this late date, where did you find one??

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Never too late but what would be very helpful is the actual date of manufacture, you can determine this by looking at the first four numbers of your serial number which represents the year (3) and the next three the day of the year - I'm 3191 which means 2013 - July 10th - 191st day of the year or 4010 would be 2014, January 10 - the 10th day of the year -see below


A16422 - October 30 - 65ZT60
A16614 - November 13
A16781 – December 4 - 65ZT60
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A16837 - January 10, 2014 - 65ZT60. 49 PANELS
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One question - at this late date, where did you find one??

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Never too late but what would be very helpful is the actual date of manufacture, you can determine this by looking at the first four numbers of your serial number which represents the year (3) and the next three the day of the year - I'm 3191 which means 2013 - July 10th - 191st day of the year or 4010 would be 2014, January 10 - the 10th day of the year -see below


A16422 - October 30 - 65ZT60
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A16837 - January 10, 2014 - 65ZT60. 49 PANELS
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Bob, I will check the serial and update this post when I get home. I know on the back of the panel it does indeed say manufactured January, 2014, but I'll have to confirm the exact date with the serial.

I live in Canada, on Vancouver island, and I bought mine at London Drugs. Apparently the story is that they bought up some of the last batches of production from Panasonic, and they've just been hoarding them I guess.

There were 5 left in their warehouses when I bought mine. I didn't get as awesome of a deal as you guys in the states but I got a good price for here.
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That makes me want to invade Canada. Vancouver would be a long drive from Michigan, but after a few beers anything could happen.
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Bob, I will check the serial and update this post when I get home. I know on the back of the panel it does indeed say manufactured January, 2014, but I'll have to confirm the exact date with the serial.

I live in Canada, on Vancouver island, and I bought mine at London Drugs. Apparently the story is that they bought up some of the last batches of production from Panasonic, and they've just been hoarding them I guess.

There were 5 left in their warehouses when I bought mine. I didn't get as awesome of a deal as you guys in the states but I got a good price for here.
Spent sometime in Victoria some years ago - have family in the San Juan Islands - Beautiful country. I have had my ZT since October - am using the new D-Nice settings and a day doesn't go by when I don't say to myself what an unbelievable TV is this - Enjoy - you appear to have one of the last ones ever manufactured

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I have A14120, DOM is October 18, 2013 ....... ser # 3291
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I have A14120, DOM is October 18, 2013 ....... ser # 3291
thank you - added to the list

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thank you - added to the list

A12650 - October 17
A13073 - October 17 - 65ZT60
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Sorry Bob, it's a 65ZT60, I forgot to add that in my previous post.
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. I guess one way to eliminate any risk would be to convince the retailer that the television is junkified and that I'm willing to haul it off for free.
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yes...lol
good luck with that method....

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If I could get a 65" ZT60 for $1,700 I'd take my chances with the IR, especially if they threw in a warranty or some extras.

It still amazes me that in this day and age TV stores don't take better care of their floor models. I mean, everyone knows about IR. How can a manager not make the effort to ensure 16:9 content is run on all TVs--even the LCDs--7all the time? This just boggles the mind.
from a authorized dealer the Panasonic warranty starts from the day you buy the display unit

Unfortunately the manufacturer warranty does not cover burn in and no extended warranty that I know of does besides Best Buy's Geek squad protection plan...which is 2x-3x more than others

I hear you on the damaged displays
Vivid mode running movie loop most often at Magnolia Home Theater and the about 75% of the time in the demo room it is stuck there in the menu of a blu ray disc

Actually for displays..I think Sears is a good place because they seem to have their TV's hooked to a broadcast TV feed that varies the picture with commercials etc

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Well, if you do buy it, I wish you the sincerest best of luck. But please don't: I still think that buying a floor model ZT is beyond risky. An IR sensitive plasma model with the same loop pounding away on it all day? Sometimes these things aren't even shut off at night.
I have never seen a retailer that didnt shut theirs off at night..Best Buy..HH gregg..Frys..Sears ..all shut their TVs down at night after closing
Take into account that unless it is Best Buy who had them earlier than any other retailer...that the TV has only been at the store since June-July of last year
Lets say its been on 10 hours a day for 12 months...which can't be entirely accurate because the stores were closed for a few holidays during the year and most retailers have shorter Sunday hours
But just to make it easy...10 hours a day for 365 days is 3650 hours
The manufacturer panel rating is 100K hours...even if its half that i dont think you will ever reach it

if I could see the TV and there was minimal to no IR...I would bite for an $800-1000 savings over the price ($2400)that I last saw the 65ZT60 at Best Buy

I figure in 3-4( or less) years you will be ready for something new anyway...the way TV technology changes while the prices continue to drop

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I have never seen a retailer that didnt shut theirs off at night..Best Buy..HH gregg..Frys..Sears ..all shut their TVs down at night after closing
I'm sorry, but you don't know that, and you should absolutely not trust it. I've spoken to a BB and a Sears guy who both said they leave everything on. Not a risk I would be willing to take. A second BB guy (my local one) said that they made sure to turn off the 65HX950 every night, but the way he said it implied that it was a special case.

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I'm sorry, but you don't know that, and you should absolutely not trust it. I've spoken to a BB and a Sears guy who both said they leave everything on. Not a risk I would be willing to take. A second BB guy (my local one) said that they made sure to turn off the 65HX950 every night, but the way he said it implied that it was a special case.
that doesn't sound accurate
I would think that having hundreds of TV's on a store would impact the stores security system
In fact I was told they had a master AC switch to do that at night for just that reason

I guess the litmus test would be to drive by Best Buy ( or other retailer) and see if you see hundreds of TV's on in the store

I have never seen them on overnight at a Best Buy in any of the three states I have lived in the last 12 years

But...as you said..if that is not a risk you are willing to take I think there are few units on Amazon.com that are calling your name

There is a price for risk or lack or....

By the way I haven't seen an HX950 at a Best Buy in 2 years

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Hey Bob

Serial number is MK4013...

So January 13, 2014?

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Congratulations! You have the newest build out of everyone checking in so far. I would truncate your serial # instead of sharing it in total on a public forum, however. Unscrupulous folks have been known to take advantage of such info.
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Serial number is MK4013------

So January 13, 2014?
Based on our records you have the last panel made, Congratulations & enjoy the best HDTV ever made

Below are the some of the early and late panels reported & a new recent report.

A00000 - CNET Reference Panel 65ZT60
A00022 : April
A00066 : April

A00110 - April 26 - 65ZT60

A14120 - October 18- 65ZT60

A16781 – December 4 - 65ZT60
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A16837 - January 10, 2014 - 65ZT60
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Congrats! I checked in when I got mine last year, but here it is again if you want to put it on the list.

A13021 - October build, got her in December, panel had 000 hours.
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Congrats! I checked in when I got mine last year, but here it is again if you want to put it on the list.

A13021 - October build, got her in December, panel had 000 hours.
Added to list - I think your serial number should begin with 3290----

A12650 - October 17
A13021 – October 17
A13073 - October 17 - 65ZT60
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I hope OLED is quickly adopted by every household in America. I figure if that happens, the people trying to sell the few remaining brand new 65" ZT60's for 8K might settle for 400-500 bucks, or less.
It's not that expensive: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/offer-listin...7090151&sr=8-1
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it was $4999 plus tax.. then i had to pay delivery and to have it mounted. that was the price at all the stores in toronto the whole time this model was on sale (for the 65" ZT60).
$4,999 was the MSRP in Canada for the TC-P65ZT60. It depends, however, where you buy it from. My dealer sold it to me in mid-February for $4100 (US $3755) + $39 government-mandated environmental fee + tax and free delivery.

Many Canadians go to the big box stores, e.g. Best Buy, Future Shop, and really overpay for their items. Smaller, specialty dealers often sell for less, plus they offer a much better service.
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Has anyone tried the new Dnice settings with brightness high and color to normal? How does it look?
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Added to list - I think your serial number should begin with 3290----

A12650 - October 17
A13021 – October 17
A13073 - October 17 - 65ZT60
A14120 - October 18- 65ZT60
A14196 - October 21 - 65ZT60
Hi Bob,

You can add mine to the list, if you so wish:

A14694 - 3294 - 21 October 2013 - TC-P65ZT60 - Delivered on 16.02.2014 - Canada

The fans are super quiet, no visible banding or line bleeding.

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Has anyone tried the new Dnice settings with brightness high and color to normal? How does it look?
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I stand corrected - I have been using the "NIGHT SETTING" which has panel brightness as MID - for the "DAY SETTING" it is HIGH - both has color temperature as "NORMAL"

New D-Nice NIGHT is Wonderful - Have the D-Nice Old/Night, CNET, and D-Nice New/Night - the only one I watch is the D-Nice New/Night - I think it looks spectacular!
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My Experience with Long-Term IR

I have two plasma TVs made by Panasonic:

TC-P65VT50 - manufactured on 21 August 2012; and
TC-P65ZT60 - manufactured on 21 October 2013.

The lifetime counter on the VT50 is 1440 hours and 1340 hours on the ZT60. I have never done any 'burn-in' on these TVs other than watching regular programming and I always keep them on the THX Cinema setting.

During the recent World Cup in Brazil, after the Group Stage, I noticed distinct IR from the scoreboard at the top left corner of the screen. At that time I had watched 48 games on both TVs and many game replays. I would estimate a total of 180 hours on each TV.

While the IR was noticeable to me, other people would not see it, unless I pointed it specifically to them.

I did not watch any football games on the TVs for the rest of the championship (I streamed on the computer and iPad instead).

I started running the screen wipe on both TVs, although on the VT50 it would cancel itself after 15 minutes. There was a noticeable improvement after 24 hours. I continued the 'treatment' as follows:

- on the VT50 I had the TV on daily for at least 14 hours, playing 16:9 format programming, on the THX Cinema setting. The TV was off at night; and
- on the ZT60 I had the TV on daily for at least 14 hours, playing 16:9 format programming, on the THX Bright Room setting during the day and running the screen wipe overnight, for the rest of the hours.

I have performed the above from 1 July and I would say that the IR disappeared virtually completely by 25 July (three weeks). However, I continued the 'treatment' for both TVs until the end of the month.

From my experience, I would say that, as a general rule, regular (i.e. not severe) IR is curable with a combination of watching regular programming and running the screen wipe for at least 1.5x the duration that the image that caused the retention was on.
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