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I believe the comment I was referring to is in this thread.

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A seller has one new ZT60 left on Amazon he has up for $6,500.

Pretty ridiculous. I'll bet he gets some person with the disposable income to buy it.
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That's stunt pricing. I'd be surprised if anyone bought it. IMO it's not even a very good value at the $4,100 MSRP.

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I just got a PS4 that I have hooked up to my ZT. I was wondering what picture mode other people play their games in also what precautions should I take to avoid image retention. Thanks.
I game with an xbox 360 using the THX cinema mode, contrast at 50 (down from factory default 60). This is the mode I watch everything in because it is the most color accurate to my eye. I do get some IR, but it is not visible with normal content (just on solid color images). It goes away after a few hours of non-game content. If I ever get a cal, I'll use the pro mode and enable pixel orbiter. In the meantime I reduce HUDs when I can: Some games (eg. Diablo III) allow you to dim or control HUD opacity. Other games (eg. Borderlands II) allow you to shift the HUD around somewhat. So in that case I do a manual pixel orbiter by shifting the HUD every couple hours of play.


The key to dealing with IR is varied content. My kids watch a lot of cartoons, which gets rid of my gaming IR. But if IR freaks you out, gaming on the ZT may not be a good idea for you.


I've not experience permanent burn-in. But I only game 2-3 hours at a time.


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That was a thought. I noticed that people complained of noisy fans in the first shipped models, then later shipped models (which would be mine) had the fans quieted. I wonder if that is because they have reduced airflow?

I'm thinking about maybe buying larger case fans and mounting them on the *outside* of the set, on the bottom part, to boost flow.

I also notice a blotch that starts showing up after several hours now on the *right* side of the screen. It is *directly* over the hot spot. Running the screen wipe or alternating several red green and blue full screen IRE patterns seems to lower it some.

Any other way you can think to get cooler temps without opening the set?

Anyone hear of repair shops or techs putting in stronger fans? Two fans for a plasma seems not enough... my previous 2008 Panasonic had 4.

The ZT uses less power than my Kuro so maybe it doesn't need so much cooling. Doesn't seem to give off that much heat to me.
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Yeah, I agree. My 65" ZT is cooler than my 50" Samsung A550.
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I just got a PS4 that I have hooked up to my ZT. I was wondering what picture mode other people play their games in also what precautions should I take to avoid image retention. Thanks.
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I game with a PS3 & Xbox 360 fairly regularly. You'll want to disable any unecessary HUDs (especially if they're white) and use a picture mode with Contrast set no higher than 70. Pixel orbiter can alleviate IR in some instances so the THX modes, which don't allow this feature, may not be the best modes to use when gaming. Also, if you are going to pause the game regularly you'll want to use the screen wipe while doing so.

I really wish the Panasonic remote had a hard button for the screen wipe. As it is, I programmed a macro on my remote to engage it, which I use all the time when pausing games or 4:3 content.
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I game on ZT60 with THX bright mode all the time, no problems.
I use every mode except THX....ive read too many occasions of folks getting IR and burn in from doing whatever using the THX modes.

For me, its pro 1 & 2 or cinema ( with cnet settings ) and my pixel orbiter is ON not auto.

No IR for me and I play titanfall really really often
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The ZT and VT panels are the same. Where they differ is the ZT's improved anti-glare coating.
You know....it hasn't been proven that the panels are the same...but there was some evidence that they could be the same i.e. calibration charts showing extremely similar results buttttt I've seen some review publications claiming the panels calibrated very differently and the results were not splitting images

So its still up in the air unless we got a confirmation Panasonic themselves or something

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Is it true that, in comparison to the VT60, the ZT60 display contains no MgO, or magnesium oxide, making it less susceptible to burn in or IR? I remember reading that somewhere, but just wondered if anyone could confirm.
Woah woah....interesting theory!
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The ZT uses less power than my Kuro so maybe it doesn't need so much cooling. Doesn't seem to give off that much heat to me.
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Yeah, I agree. My 65" ZT is cooler than my 50" Samsung A550.
Interesting to hear.....my ZT gets HOT in Day mode. If I touch the back panel after its been on in Day Mode for an hour or so its really really really hot to touch

The hottest tv I've owned soo far
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You know....it hasn't been proven that the panels are the same...but there was some evidence that they could be the same i.e. calibration charts showing extremely similar results buttttt I've seen some review publications claiming the panels calibrated very differently and the results were not splitting images

So its still up in the air unless we got a confirmation Panasonic themselves or something
All evidence points to it sharing the panel with the VT, with the only difference between the physical panels being the anti-reflective coating. And any difference in calibration almost can almost certainly be attributed to panel variance and the effect of the reflective coating. Panasonic has not explicitly said they use the same panel because they have no reason to. Their primary role is that of marketer so they want to highlight differences, not similarities.

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All evidence points to it sharing the panel with the VT, with the only difference between the physical panels being the anti-reflective coating. And any difference in calibration almost can almost certainly be attributed to panel variance and the effect of the reflective coating. Panasonic has not explicitly said they use the same panel because they have no reason to. Their primary role is that of marketer so they want to highlight differences, not similarities.

I had an idea that I read something about the ZT panel being bonded together without any air gap and that the VT did have an air gap and that was the main reason the ZT panel gave a better picture.
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Panels are both are the same NeoPlasma Black 3000 - Filters are different Ultimate Black for ZT & Infinite Black Ultra for VT

Big difference is the way the screen is attached to the panel, the Filter is on the INSIDE glass surface, held there by the autoclave process.

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The ZT60 series features Panasonic’s Studio Master Panel for increased performance and superb contrast. By removing the pocket of air between the panel and the front glass, the Panasonic TV’s Studio Master Panel improves light transmission and minimizes reflections from external light.

"If you look at the Panasonic TX-P60ZT65 from an angle, you'll notice that its pictures don't suffer with the 'double imaging' issue you see with every other Panasonic plasma TV when viewing them off-axis. This is because Panasonic has managed to remove the usual air gap between the plasma panel and the front glass. It's something that's only been possible by manufacturing the ZT65 screens in autoclaves - rare, high-precision heated compression chambers required to make sure the panel layers bond together correctly."
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I had an idea that I read something about the ZT panel being bonded together without any air gap and that the VT did have an air gap and that was the main reason the ZT panel gave a better picture.
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Yep, same panel but with different AR coating and the ZT has the gapless assembly. Personally, I was never able to see the gapless "benefit" between the two side by side but, considering the trouble they seem to have gone through with the autoclave process, Panasonic must have. IMO the real step up in PQ is due to the AR filter.
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Yep, same panel but with different AR coating and the ZT has the gapless assembly. Personally, I was never able to see the gapless "benefit" between the two side by side but, considering the trouble they seem to have gone through with the autoclave process, Panasonic must have. IMO the real step up in PQ is due to the AR filter.

I didn't really go into it but when I had mine calibrated the guy was shaking his head in wonder saying I don't know how Panasonic is getting these panels so unbelievably good, they are almost perfect. I didn't query how they compared to the VT unfortunately.
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I didn't really go into it but when I had mine calibrated the guy was shaking his head in wonder saying I don't know how Panasonic is getting these panels so unbelievably good, they are almost perfect. I didn't query how they compared to the VT unfortunately.
I did see a difference when someone ran the Oppo screen saver on both the VT & ZT - On the VT, from the side the "OPPO" appeared to "float", almost like you could see a space behind the OPPO and the panels - almost like a "shadow" on the ZT you didn't, it appeared "FLAT" on the panel - I was told this was a result of the autoclave process.

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I game with a PS3 & Xbox 360 fairly regularly. You'll want to disable any unecessary HUDs (especially if they're white) and use a picture mode with Contrast set no higher than 70. Pixel orbiter can alleviate IR in some instances so the THX modes, which don't allow this feature, may not be the best modes to use when gaming. Also, if you are going to pause the game regularly you'll want to use the screen wipe while doing so.

I really wish the Panasonic remote had a hard button for the screen wipe. As it is, I programmed a macro on my remote to engage it, which I use all the time when pausing games or 4:3 content.
Thank you for the input.
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I use every mode except THX....ive read too many occasions of folks getting IR and burn in from doing whatever using the THX modes.

For me, its pro 1 & 2 or cinema ( with cnet settings ) and my pixel orbiter is ON not auto.

No IR for me and I play titanfall really really often
Thanks for all the help. I love the ZT.
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I game with an xbox 360 using the THX cinema mode, contrast at 50 (down from factory default 60). This is the mode I watch everything in because it is the most color accurate to my eye. I do get some IR, but it is not visible with normal content (just on solid color images). It goes away after a few hours of non-game content. If I ever get a cal, I'll use the pro mode and enable pixel orbiter. In the meantime I reduce HUDs when I can: Some games (eg. Diablo III) allow you to dim or control HUD opacity. Other games (eg. Borderlands II) allow you to shift the HUD around somewhat. So in that case I do a manual pixel orbiter by shifting the HUD every couple hours of play.


The key to dealing with IR is varied content. My kids watch a lot of cartoons, which gets rid of my gaming IR. But if IR freaks you out, gaming on the ZT may not be a good idea for you.


I've not experience permanent burn-in. But I only game 2-3 hours at a time.


Don't forget to engage game mode, which cuts down your input lag. Have fun! Awesome TV. Love gaming on it.
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