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I didn't become crazed ....... I just moved the Kuro to the bedroom and bought a ZT for the home theater
Was talking about the chatter at the beginning of the thread from Kuro owners - they had the best for years - ZT came out and was better - didn't make the KURO "less great" just the ZT a little better - OLED is the future for now & as someone said - would much rather have a OLED then some edge-lit LED.

For the foreseeable future my ZT will be my HDTV of choice!

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Was talking about the chatter at the beginning of the thread from Kuro owners - they had the best for years - ZT came out and was better - didn't make the KURO "less great" just the ZT a little better - OLED is the future for now & as someone said - would much rather have a OLED then some edge-lit LED.

For the foreseeable future my ZT will be my HDTV of choice!
Oh I totally agree and got where you were coming from Bob..... I was just making a joke and being silly. Hopefully my ZT will be my HDTV of choice for the foreseeable future as well (and the bedroom is pretty sporty with a Kuro too )
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Oh I totally agree and got where you were coming from Bob..... I was just making a joke and being silly. Hopefully my ZT will be my HDTV of choice for the foreseeable future as well (and the bedroom is pretty sporty with a Kuro too )
Jealous!! - I have a 32" (2005) Toshiba 720P LCD in the bedroom - maybe some day!!!
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Was talking about the chatter at the beginning of the thread from Kuro owners - they had the best for years - ZT came out and was better - didn't make the KURO "less great" just the ZT a little better - OLED is the future for now & as someone said - would much rather have a OLED then some edge-lit LED.

For the foreseeable future my ZT will be my HDTV of choice!
These TV's are in a league of their own and even owning the worst of the best is still better them most. Even with OLED, these plasma's will hold their own. While maybe less performing then an OLED they will still always be considered great.

Having something better then them come out will not take away the greatness they posses. I will say probably one the most exciting things about OLED for many folks moving the black levels aside is being able to purchase a TV larger then 65 inches that can also be considered reference quality.

One thing I am curious about is if more manufacturers start to get into the OLED business will the lower tier models still be top performers? Can you make an OLED model with crappy blacks? What will separate a $1000 OLED TV with a $5000 OLED TV?
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And..., the best TV isn't curved. Curve doesn't work as well as flat unless only one person is watching the TV.
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Come-on - there is always is something nice about owning the best -

True, I have enjoyed that.


And while I'm excited about OLED finally in the marketplace, they have some issues to be worked out. I wouldn't do a straight 1 for 1 trade, my ZT60 for what is available now. I'ld want flat, better uniformity, and less screen door effect. And 5 more inches.


When the 65" 4k version is out in a few months I might start getting OLED envy.
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LOL All this talk about having to move our beloved Kuros to the bedroom!

Who would of thought that would have ever happened 5 years ago and even now.

Times are changing. Luvin my 65 inch ZT in the main theater and enjoying my Kuro in the bedroom.

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I can get temporary IR like you quote that also goes away quickly, although I've never intentionally left the offender up for hours to see if it would stick for a long time. I do know that in my case, the IR developed over a few months of watching hours of the Velocity channel (V logo). Maybe short term IR goes away as quickly as it happened, whereas IR that is the result of long term viewing takes much longer to eradicate.
I think it's cumulative, just the briefest appearance of my directv dvr's navigation bar (a minute or two of cumulative bursty use) and I have IR that lasts for hours (and hours?). Sometimes it seems like it doesn't really go away, but once in a while when I think I'd see it it doesn't seem to be there, so benefit of the doubt will say it does eventually still go away by itself. (Again, my IR is only visible during light/whitish screen content, and only with full screen content (not during 4:3), so normally not visible.)

Finaly got around to running WOW pixel zapper, and think it did a good job the one time I tried it (not so sure the built-in screen wiper is doing much any more). The noise it generates looks a lot like the IR I often see, when I can see it, right where that dvr nav bar is.

Future plan: more discs, way less dvr (in particular the directv nav bar and graphics).

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I think your experience with IR is not the norm. I've never seen Directv's navigation bar on my ZT. I've only seen occasional IR on my set. And what I do see goes away quickly. Up to 2000 hours on my set. So, I don't expect IR to get worse with age either.

The IR issues some are seeing must be due to slight differences in voltage between these sets.
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One thing I am curious about is if more manufacturers start to get into the OLED business will the lower tier models still be top performers? Can you make an OLED model with crappy blacks? What will separate a $1000 OLED TV with a $5000 OLED TV?
Prob not blacks, but speakers, color depth, HDR,brightness and abl (power handling and longevity), motion (bfi), resolution and associated apps, frame rate capabilities, and of course size, are a few that come to mind.
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Prob not blacks, but speakers, color depth, HDR,brightness and abl (power handling and longevity), motion (bfi), resolution and associated apps, frame rate capabilities, and of course size, are a few that come to mind.
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Just curious - Anybody else notice black levels are slighty higher ( worse ) when watching 3D movies? Or is it just me?
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I can't see any banding on the container. There is a haze laying over the ocean from the different temperatures between sea and air at dawn. I'm not seeing it as banding though.


Please excuse the reflections. I took them in daylight with the curtains open.


My ZT60 is connected up to a Lumagen that handles the calibration though. Pre calibration the set looked awful to me on all the pre-sets especially THX with it's green skin tones.


I would also add that the circular pattern visble in the first shot is not on the screen but something to do with the interaction between my digital camera and the scanning of the ZT60. Looking through the camera the picture on the ZT is flashing. Also the camera is using a slower film speed to cope with the low light levels.
Thanks a ton Ray. That's exactly the scene. In that scene along with other similar ones I got bad banding in the sky. Your looks normal with a nice gradient.

There are a lot of potential things in the mix that could be causing the banding on my end. It could be anything from my older Oppo DBP-83 to video processing in my Anthem to something else in the chain.

I read a few online reviews about that movie and the reviewers did make a comment about banding. I'm therefore wondering out loud if non-professionally calibrated sets exhibit that. Are you able to put that scene in the default THX mode and see if you see the banding?

I had rented the movie and don't have it any longer but I think my plan is to try and re-calibrate my set from scratch and then get the movie again and see if there are any differences.

Thanks so much for taking the time to test this out and post your results!

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Thanks a ton Ray. That's exactly the scene. In that scene along with other similar ones I got bad banding in the sky. Your looks normal with a nice gradient.

There are a lot of potential things in the mix that could be causing the banding on my end. It could be anything from my older Oppo DBP-83 to video processing in my Anthem to something else in the chain.

I read a few online reviews about that movie and the reviewers did make a comment about banding. I'm therefore wondering out loud if non-professionally calibrated sets exhibit that. Are you able to put that scene in the default THX mode and see if you see the banding?

I had rented the movie and don't have it any longer but I think my plan is to try and re-calibrate my set from scratch and then get the movie again and see if there are any differences.

Thanks so much for taking the time to test this out and post your results!

I looked at the film on my computer and the picture looks pretty much the same, but with poor black levels. (It's a self calibrating LCD IPS panel.) No banding though.


Picture does show how much better the ZT60 is than my £1500 LCD monitor.


Just read a review that said this....
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Lionsgate gives All Is Lost an AVC-encoded 2.40:1 high-definition transfer and the results are excellent. Film grain is present though much of the experience, and image detail is sharp throughout, whether it is beading of water on various surfaces of the boat and raft, or it the crags and wrinkles of Redford's face. Frank DeMarco worked with Chandor on Margin Call and shot (all?) of the scenes above the water, but Peter Zuccarini shot what happened under water and scenes throughout are clean. Colors and sun glare are natural looking without saturation or pushing issues, and there is little DNR or haloing to distract. It looks excellent.
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