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^^^Glad you were able to get rid of it. For some reason the ZTs are more susceptible to IR compared to the VTs
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The VT & ZT are the same panel, so any perceived & reported difference in IR is purely anecdotal.
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After watching a lot of football this weekend, my IR is almost gone. I ran the screen swipe for serveral hours on Saturday which made a big difference.
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Glad to see everyone is happy with their sets even with the annoying IR, which mine goes away rather quickly and I do not usually just stick to one channel anyway. But if the set is defective I will do my best to get my refund or try to sell (sell only if worst comes to worst) and try to see if any 8500s will still be around. I am still waiting on the repair company because they were suppose to come yesterday but never did because no one told me they were waiting for the parts to come in. So i took a day off because I was told they were servicing it Dec.17th and I call them and Im not even on the record. So now im playing the waiting game. We will see what happens. At this point if there are no 8500 left if my situation does come to refund and finding a new set I have no idea where I would even start.

My final question is that the VT is about 5 lamberts brighter than the ZT, does this equate to being "much brighter" in real world content? I had a VT for a short period and if i remember it did seem brighter (not by much) so I didnt know how much 5 lamberts would actaully affect the brightness factor of the ZT compared to the VT?

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Has anyone compared the picture sharpness of the 60" and 65" ZT60? I'm wondering if 60" is the sweet spot for 1080P? At which point (e.g. 65, 70, 75) do the limitations of 1080P become apparent at normal viewing distances. And I'm not talking about the charts which show our ability to see details at a particular viewing distance...I'm looking for more of a subjective opinion (if that makes any sense). Why is it that Pioneer never went 65" with the Elites? It's also interesting that LG with their New 1080P OLED chose 55 inch as the standard size.

Personally, I've always liked the perceived increase in sharpness of a 50" 1080P set, especially while watching cable. Sorry, if this is a dumb newbie question.
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I think 65" tvs back in the pioneer days was very costly to add on top of already expensive display. Over the years people have slowly becoming accustomed to larger sizes as we are used to them.

For most of the world 55" is the norm I believe. Especially in tighter living rooms.
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My final question is that the VT is about 5 lamberts brighter than the ZT, does this equate to being "much brighter" in real world content? I had a VT for a short period and if i remember it did seem brighter (not by much) so I didnt know how much 5 lamberts would actaully affect the brightness factor of the ZT compared to the VT?
I have never examined the ZT and Vt side by side in a controlled manner--casual or "memory" comparisons aren't worth much--but from what I recall the VT did measure marginally brighter. The panels in the two are the same, so this difference is attributable to the ZT's anti-reflective coating. This is the same coating which does a better job of blocking out ambient light and therefore offers an improved picture in all but the darkest settings.

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Has anyone compared the picture sharpness of the 60" and 65" ZT60? I'm wondering if 60" is the sweet spot for 1080P? At which point (e.g. 65, 70, 75) do the limitations of 1080P become apparent at normal viewing distances. And I'm not talking about the charts which show our ability to see details at a particular viewing distance...I'm looking for more of a subjective opinion (if that makes any sense). Why is it that Pioneer never went 65" with the Elites? It's also interesting that LG with their New 1080P OLED chose 55 inch as the standard size.

Personally, I've always liked the perceived increase in sharpness of a 50" 1080P set, especially while watching cable. Sorry, if this is a dumb newbie question.
As I recall, the 55" screen size is not the result of consumer demand or the limitations of display technology, but rather to the size of the glass the panels are cut from. Again, the memory is fuzzy here but I think you get 4 55" panels out of a sheet of glass but only 2 if you go any larger. IMO 60" looks sharper than the 65" when you get close, as the graphs that you mention indicate, but at normal viewing distances there is no perceivable difference. I wager the Elites never went 65" because the 60" units alone were cost prohibitive.

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Has anyone compared the picture sharpness of the 60" and 65" ZT60? I'm wondering if 60" is the sweet spot for 1080P? At which point (e.g. 65, 70, 75) do the limitations of 1080P become apparent at normal viewing distances. And I'm not talking about the charts which show our ability to see details at a particular viewing distance...I'm looking for more of a subjective opinion (if that makes any sense). Why is it that Pioneer never went 65" with the Elites? It's also interesting that LG with their New 1080P OLED chose 55 inch as the standard size.

Personally, I've always liked the perceived increase in sharpness of a 50" 1080P set, especially while watching cable. Sorry, if this is a dumb newbie question.
As I recall, the 55" screen size is not the result of consumer demand or the limitations of display technology, but rather to the size of the glass the panels are cut from. Again, the memory is fuzzy here but I think you get 4 55" panels out of a sheet of glass but only 2 if you go any larger. IMO 60" looks sharper than the 65" when you get close, as the graphs that you mention indicate, but at normal viewing distances there is no perceivable difference. I wager the Elites never went 65" because the 60" units alone were cost prohibitive.
This makes sense, thanks!
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After watching a lot of football this weekend, my IR is almost gone. I ran the screen swipe for serveral hours on Saturday which made a big difference.
This whole thing about IR is a crock. I have a 55" VT30 that initially had tons of IR, after a few years no more IR. It will eventually go away. My ZT60 has no IR now. Same thing took time
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Good to know you think I have only a few more years left of this pesky IR. I'll believe it when I don't see it. (I'm still convinced mine is a combo of IR and something else, but time will tell. Or not.)
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I bought a demo floor model LG 50PZ950 plasma with the worst case of IR I've ever seen. Is was from daily vivid ESPN showing in a big box store. Unfortunately, I got it for next to nothing and it was all that I could afford at the time. I can say that after 3 years about 95 percent of it has gone away.

Most if not all IR should go away with time. One can probably speed this process up with the right content and running it 24/7.
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Too expensive to run it that frequently. And if you like football (or the like) or someone in the house utilizes subtitles, you'll keep re-exacerbating those areas of the screen that get it. Of course this applies to those who have experienced the problem and monitor their sets like manic hawks. Otherwise a killer set with that being its only Achilles heel.
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