Originally Posted by Edllguy
Congratulations on receiving your new ZT60. What happened to your Kuro?
I sold it some years ago so it's been a while since I've had a plasma. Resale was solid at that point and my Signature was a 50" so a bit small for my seating distance (6.5 ft).
Recently, I had the following TVs in my home.
1. Samsung 55HU7100. 4k set for cheap but resolution does not make up for poor contrast, motion handling and a very 'digital' samsung look. Worst Samsung I've seen. Returned.
2. Panasonic 58AX800. Fantastic LCD image quality hindered only by poor motion resolution and uniformity. Radial banding on a white field. I saw two others in the showroom, all had similar uniformity problems. Also exceedingly poor viewing angle. Returned. Too bad, I really wanted to like this one as it's the best cheap-ish 4k set available today with adequate build quality and PQ.
3. Sony W850B (1080p). This is the best LCD I've ever seen in terms of uniformity and black levels. Seriously satisfying image. I shouldn't have returned this one because its price / image quality ratio is superb and I got a good sample. I only returned it cause I found a 60F8500 plasma.
4. Samsung PN60F8500. This is the TV most relevant to this thread. Solid black levels (though it won't touch the ZT in a dark scene), FANTASTIC whites, an absolute light cannon that is fantastic for 3D if not for a serious problem with brightness pops that remains unresolved. I loved this TV at first and thought I was finally done. However, my sample buzzed like a beehive and came with two dead pixels. Samsung Canada has no replacement parts in hand. Returned. Also like all Samsungs has poor build quality. I could try another, but don't feel like playing panel lottery.
5. Samsung 65H7150. Supposedly their best flat 1080p panel this year. 65 is stunning at 6.5 ft but does not make up for unsatisfying and foggy black levels. Fantastic 3D. Flashlighting in corners, edgelight bleed, serious vertical banding. Returned.
6. Frustrated, I went for the big guns and picked up the ZT60. There is only one store in the country which still has them and they want a premium. However, the hype is justified. This is the absolute best picture I've seen in my home. I would consider OLED, but I do not want curved and I do not want 55". I need at least a 60. The 65EC9700 is on its way, but that is still 10k. The ZT produces the best value in a high end set right now and between build quality and better blacks (I watch in a man cave), it is significantly better than the F8500 IMO. Only problem is that it costs double the F8500 in my region. My sample is dead pixel free, has flawless uniformity and does not buzz like a beehive. In fact, as far as plasmas go it is the quietest I have heard. Everything is manufactured and packaged with quality and pride, unlike Samsungs. It is exceedingly expensive (for a 1080p plasma in a world of 4k LCDs and infinite contrast OLEDs) but it feels like it should be.
Before I decide to keep the ZT, I need to figure out two questions.
1.) Is image rentention really as bad as everyone says? I do play games occasionally and I don't want to have to worry about channel logos all the time. I just want to use the damn TV. However, permanent or semi-permanent IR is not acceptable. Having to worry about it all the time will suck the joy out of owning this set. I'm going to experiment and see what I retain. I find it odd that someone in this thread said it varied from sample to sample. I know from experience that buzz varied from sample to sample but never heard that IR would be too.
2.) Is it worth waiting for an AX900? It is going to be at least 7k for the 65. Out the door, that will be approaching double the cost of what my 60ZT cost but I gain 5". Also, its motion handling is still unproven. I can clearly see differences in motion resolution and that is important to me. However, LCD is worry free. Less inherent flicker (easier on the eyes) and no burn in. 4k is more future proof. Feels good to have it.