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Separation: I dunno, I don't even look at the sides of my tv. Even if I had it I would never notice.

Buzz: If you're not plugged directly into the wall, try that instead. Try turning down the contrast and/or the brightness (and recalibrate to that if need be). Better yet, just crank up the volume! Hardly ever hear mine buzz, but even when I do, I pretty much could care less. Oh and if you're not using THX Cinema mode, give that a try too (just in case you're in using some other torch mode setting).
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Have a tech group coming out to check out the separation and buzzing of my ZT60 planel. PQ is tremendous especially with BD but the separation and buzz now that I know they are their are driving me bonkers. At least OLED is coming out (not to what we thought but at least its here with minor flaws and just needs a little ironing out) but the problem is 55" will be the only size I can afford unless the 65" OLEDs coming magically drop in price by next year to that of what the VT60 and ZT60 were going for when on sale.


Basically if the company has to take the TV and try to fix it (which cant happen due to it needing the bonding process) Im guessing a refund or some type of LED, barf, replacement will be offered. At that point it would be refund or keep the tv and try to get the buzzing under order. Its not horribly drastic but its getting annoying. Not sure what to do here. Would love an OLED but the flaws right now are a deal breaker especially motion and color. I probably wont buy anything until OLED gets better, so im stuck and would like some advice.


Would you trade your ZT for an OLED? Or take the refund and sit on it for a while>?


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Dont go for a 55" whatever you do it will seem tiny in comparison. Trust me been there done that.
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For 3K plus build quality would be a concern IMO since Im not rich and my pockets don't run deep but I like the best there is to offer. I have Dnice setting in for Pro 1 and 2. I have CNET settings in for Cinema. Never touch Vivid, standard, or any other mode etc. This is not my first round with plasmas, I have owned a KURO and these issues were no where close to what they are on this ZT60. I love the PQ, color, motion etc. Already had the fan noise serviced and its back again. Also IR is pretty bad on this, thought it would get better but it got worse. Constantly babying this thing. LED, FALD all out of the question. Plasma was really the last hope as far as best performance and of course blacks.


Its pretty disheartening to see the separation which at times seems to assist with the buzzing since I can place my hand where the separation is happening and it decreases the buzz noise, which I guess would be considered panel buzzing as well.









Between a rock and a hard place right now.
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EDIT: I have tried to move the TV around the room to see if acoustics was the issue and I have plugged in directly to the wall which made no difference at all plus increases my chances of a surge issue.
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I left off my obligatory IR addendum that I had typed out, but I hear you on that one. I even gave it a proper name the other day: Purple Haze. My semi-constant companion, thankfully most content sends it off into hiding. Maybe I'll get a bug up my butt someday and see what the Geek Squad will do for me, but for now there's nothing I'd care to replace it with, so living with it for the time being.

Regarding surge issue, my UPS was happy to buzz along with the ZT's buzz, at least doubling it, so I just make sure to pull the plug when it gets electric outside, or whenever I leave the house when it's in the forecast. That and my subwoofer.

I've had a few other pricey TVs in the past, seems to be my lot to pick the ones that end up with issues. If you see me in the future in some other TV thread, you'll know which one I should have avoided next.
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Have a tech group coming out to check out the separation and buzzing of my ZT60 planel. PQ is tremendous especially with BD but the separation and buzz now that I know they are their are driving me bonkers. At least OLED is coming out (not to what we thought but at least its here with minor flaws and just needs a little ironing out) but the problem is 55" will be the only size I can afford unless the 65" OLEDs coming magically drop in price by next year to that of what the VT60 and ZT60 were going for when on sale.


Basically if the company has to take the TV and try to fix it (which cant happen due to it needing the bonding process) Im guessing a refund or some type of LED, barf, replacement will be offered. At that point it would be refund or keep the tv and try to get the buzzing under order. Its not horribly drastic but its getting annoying. Not sure what to do here. Would love an OLED but the flaws right now are a deal breaker especially motion and color. I probably wont buy anything until OLED gets better, so im stuck and would like some advice.


Would you trade your ZT for an OLED? Or take the refund and sit on it for a while>?


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I'll go out on a limb here and recommend not waiting around for anything. Do your best, and swap out the 2013 ZT for a 2015 65"er. The ZT was Panny's top-tier flagship TV for 2013, so ask for the swap to be Panny's 2015 flagship, which I believe is the TC-65AX800. The viewing angles may bug you some, but I'd bite the bullet and do the swap. It's still a fine TV, just not quite as good as the ZT plasma...which most people won't even notice. After 4-5 years go by and OLED has hopefully developed into what we all had visioned, move the 65AX into the bedroom and put your new OLED 85"er in your home theater.
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Hi guys,

I don't know what to do and I would love your advice.

I've found a ZT60 60" second hand offer online. The guy lived in France and now lives in Ireland and is proposing to have the payment and delivery managed via escrow.

The ZT60 is 1700 euros (1837 USD).

I would have five days to inspect the TV when it arrives before giving my OK to the escrow.

What do you think about this deal? Any pertinent questions I should ask him? Should I take it or wait and save up another 700 euros for an OLED 55EC930V?

Thanks a lot!
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I'll go out on a limb here and recommend not waiting around for anything. Do your best, and swap out the 2013 ZT for a 2015 65"er. The ZT was Panny's top-tier flagship TV for 2013, so ask for the swap to be Panny's 2015 flagship, which I believe is the TC-65AX800. The viewing angles may bug you some, but I'd bite the bullet and do the swap. It's still a fine TV, just not quite as good as the ZT plasma...which most people won't even notice. After 4-5 years go by and OLED has hopefully developed into what we all had visioned, move the 65AX into the bedroom and put your new OLED 85"er in your home theater.
The ax800 is a very good daytime set but it struggles badly in a dark room, i had one for 3 weeks and sent it back due to the mediocre low apl performance.

As far as not noticing the difference the black levels are not even close
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The ax800 is a very good daytime set but it struggles badly in a dark room, i had one for 3 weeks and sent it back due to the mediocre low apl performance.

As far as not noticing the difference the black levels are not even close
I know Chunon, but you aren't "most people". Doesn't the guy have to get a Panasonic? If so, why not swap for their top tier TV even if it has black levels higher than the ZT?
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I know Chunon, but you aren't "most people". Doesn't the guy have to get a Panasonic? If so, why not swap for their top tier TV even if it has black levels higher than the ZT?
A ZT owner wants the best. And btw the ax800 is not the flagship thats the ax900.

ax800 pros
color accuracy
motion
great bright room performance
great build quality and looks
no ir
power consumption

cons
terrible viewing angle
poor dark room performance
uniformity issues
dse
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Sorry i just thinks its bad advice having been there and done that.
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Have a tech group coming out to check out the separation and buzzing of my ZT60 planel.
Post some pics of the separation of your panel. I'm not sure I would trade in my ZT unless the separation was affecting PQ. But buzzing is hard to ignore.
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A ZT owner wants the best. And btw the ax800 is not the flagship thats the ax900.

ax800 pros
color accuracy
motion
great bright room performance
great build quality and looks
no ir
power consumption

cons
terrible viewing angle
poor dark room performance
uniformity issues
dse
edge lit

Sorry i just thinks its bad advice having been there and done that.
OK, then the ax900. You're missing my point entirely. Isn't the owner stuck between a rock and a hard place? Doesn't the owner have to get a Panasonic from Panasonic? What choice does he have other than swapping out for a new 2015 top tier Panny? My advice is a hard pill to swallow as I realize people that bought the ZT were wanting tthe best, but given the circumstances what other choice does the owner have now? I definitely would not wait for a whim and a wish from Panasonic. What is YOUR advice on the matter?
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OK, then the ax900. You're missing my point entirely. Isn't the owner stuck between a rock and a hard place? Doesn't the owner have to get a Panasonic from Panasonic? What choice does he have other than swapping out for a new 2015 top tier Panny? My advice is a hard pill to swallow as I realize people that bought the ZT were wanting tthe best, but given the circumstances what other choice does the owner have now? I definitely would not wait for a whim and a wish from Panasonic. What is YOUR advice on the matter?
I would live with the zt or push for a full refund
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A ZT owner wants the best. And btw the ax800 is not the flagship thats the ax900.

ax800 pros
color accuracy
motion
great bright room performance
great build quality and looks
no ir
power consumption

cons
terrible viewing angle
poor dark room performance
uniformity issues
dse
edge lit

Sorry i just thinks its bad advice having been there and done that.
The only led I've seen in person I would replace my ZT60 with if I had no other option would be Sony XBR950B. That is a damn nice display, but the viewing angles are obviously lacking. Only other problem is I can't afford one!!!
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The only led I've seen in person I would replace my ZT60 with if I had no other option would be Sony XBR950B. That is a damn nice display, but the viewing angles are obviously lacking. Only other problem is I can't afford one!!!
Yeah that is a nice set and its Fald, the ax800 is plasma like but Panasonic missed the mark in a few crucial areas.
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How loud is this buzzing that people complain about the fans?
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Hi everyone, looking for some advice and guidance here on a 65ZT60...I have been looking for one for a long time

I have an opportunity to pick one up that was a store demo and has a little bit of IR in the bottom right corner from the LG player that was hooked up to it (picture attached from the store)...I have read through a fair bit of this thread and it seems that IR issues tend not to go away even after lots of pixel flipping etc.

The price is pretty good on this set (2200), however not interested if the IR will not go away.

The other option is they have a brand new 65VT60 that is a little high IMO (3100).

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Any and all IR I've had has eventually faded to the point of not being visible. That said, my TV isn't a display model, which could have been on the floor being used/abused for going on a couple of years now. There's just no way of telling if that IR would fade, but it doesn't look too bad to me. If I were you I'd check the hours on the unit. If they're reasonable you might be OK, but I'd push hard for a price drop or some other concession.

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Thank you, I asked about the hours and they are saying that it is approximately 200 hours as the TV was only pulled out of the box 5 weeks ago to be put on display. They are not willing to move on the price any more, these sets were alway more expensive in Canada.

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Thank you, I asked about the hours and they are saying that it is approximately 200 hours as the TV was only pulled out of the box 5 weeks ago to be put on display. They are not willing to move on the price any more, these sets were alway more expensive in Canada.
There is an easy way to verify the hours on the tv if you have the remote—it's right in the main menu (can't give exact instructions as I'm not in front of my VT now).

As for the IR, my local FutureShop had a ZT sitting for over a year on display. I noticed early on some IR ("store") in the upper corner that was so bad I assumed it was permanent burn-in. Out of curiosity I'd always check it every time I went in there and I was shocked to see it had completely disappeared the last time I was there. (Also it had just sold for $1500 with over 5000 hours on it—checked hours with my remote app on my phone.)

ETA: It was a 60 inch ZT.

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If it really has only 200 hours (and you verify this) then that's a great price. Cheap enough to take a chance in the IR.
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Hi everyone, looking for some advice and guidance here on a 65ZT60...I have been looking for one for a long time

I have an opportunity to pick one up that was a store demo and has a little bit of IR in the bottom right corner from the LG player that was hooked up to it (picture attached from the store)...I have read through a fair bit of this thread and it seems that IR issues tend not to go away even after lots of pixel flipping etc.

The price is pretty good on this set (2200), however not interested if the IR will not go away.

The other option is they have a brand new 65VT60 that is a little high IMO (3100).

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
That IR looks like what my ZT has. But mine is the number 5 from a NBC logo. Mine fades but never completely since I usually have the NBC's local news and the Today Show on during the work week.

Check the hours. If only 200 I would buy it. Even with the IR, there's not another TV I would rather have than a ZT/VT at this time.
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If it really has only 200 hours (and you verify this) then that's a great price. Cheap enough to take a chance in the IR.
Thank you, I will verify prior to purchase, good to hear that some of the IR issues go away.

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That IR looks like what my ZT has. But mine is the number 5 from a NBC logo. Mine fades but never completely since I usually have the NBC's local news and the Today Show on during the work week.

Check the hours. If only 200 I would buy it. Even with the IR, there's not another TV I would rather have than a ZT/VT at this time.
Thank you, does the logo bother you when watching other TV or movies?

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Thank you, I will verify prior to purchase, good to hear that some of the IR issues go away. Thank you, does the logo bother you when watching other TV or movies?
No. Only really see it if I look for it and if solid color image. But it's there and had been for some time. I've run the screen swipe for 4 hours and it just about wiped it out. But since I watch the same shows every morning it comes back. I've gotten use to it.

My ZT is the 4th Panasonic Plasma I've owned. The ZT is the only one that has persistent IR. All plasma TVs have temporary IR. Just the nature of the beast. The 54V10 that the ZT replaced doesn't suffer from the IR like the ZT. But, picture quality doesn't compare either. And for the record, I'm not a gamer. Nor am I as anal as some on this forum when it comes to have the perfect TV. I count myself lucky from that aspect.

I would suggest you run some normal content and see if it bothers you. Good luck.
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No. Only really see it if I look for it and if solid color image. But it's there and had been for some time. I've run the screen swipe for 4 hours and it just about wiped it out. But since I watch the same shows every morning it comes back. I've gotten use to it.

My ZT is the 4th Panasonic Plasma I've owned. The ZT is the only one that has persistent IR. All plasma TVs have temporary IR. Just the nature of the beast. The 54V10 that the ZT replaced doesn't suffer from the IR like the ZT. But, picture quality doesn't compare either. And for the record, I'm not a gamer. Nor am I as anal as some on this forum when it comes to have the perfect TV. I count myself lucky from that aspect.

I would suggest you run some normal content and see if it bothers you. Good luck.
This will be my second and it is replacing a PZ700U, which has been awesome with zero issues including zero IR, however this ZT will be a significant picture improvement and really looking forward to that!

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