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my fan noise is ok on mine- but buzzing is definately louder than the fan noise

still doesn't effect fantastic PQ though I paid top-notch for the TV a year ago - and would do the same again
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So I found out the set actually has about 1600 hours on it and not the original 200 hours they were suggesting...now I am debating getting the set??

1600 hours is still not that much I guess in the overall life of the TV...more concerned that the IR will be more difficult to get rid...any additional thoughts? Is it still a good deal with that many hours on it?
They're representing a TV with 200 hours that actually has 1,600 hours? Either they were guessing (and shouldn't have) or they're deliberately misleading. Either way there's a problem. And IR over a 200 hour period is potentially more serious than a fixed logo over 1,600 hours. I'd either walk away or else, considering the hours were misrepresented, require a price reduction that's in line with 1,600 hours of use.

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They're representing a TV with 200 hours that actually has 1,600 hours? Either they were guessing (and shouldn't have) or they're deliberately misleading. Either way there's a problem. And IR over a 200 hour period is potentially more serious than a fixed logo over 1,600 hours. I'd either walk away or else, considering the hours were misrepresented, require a price reduction that's in line with 1,600 hours of use.
They didn't realize that there were hours on it from one of their other stores that the TV was transferred from (store didn't document it). They are willing to take off another 200 and I will get an extra year of full warranty. The good of it is that a friend is the Service Manager for the store in case anything big goes wrong. The other option is the BNIB 65VT60 for 1k more, which does not seem like a great deal. I know that it will be hard to find a TV of this quality for some time and OLED is too expensive still...

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If you're getting it for $2,000, down from $2,200 and an extra year of warranty then I think it's a chance worth taking. The worst that could happen is the IR, which in all honesty didn't look that bad, is actually burn in. The other ZT issues are fan noise on some of the earlier (pre August 2013 I think) models, curling up of the glass in the corners, which is very rare, and the occasional buzzing set. If you're clear of those problems (or can live with them) then I think you got a good deal here.
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So I found out the set actually has about 1600 hours on it and not the original 200 hours they were suggesting...now I am debating getting the set??

1600 hours is still not that much I guess in the overall life of the TV...more concerned that the IR will be more difficult to get rid...any additional thoughts? Is it still a good deal with that many hours on it?
Not a lot of hours like you said. And the IR looks similar to what I have on my ZT. If you find the IR is hard to see when running normal content, I would lean toward purchasing. BUT, I would also point out the seller the higher number of hours than what was disclosed and try to get them to come down to a lower price. Whatever you get them to go down in money in your pocket.
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If you're getting it for $2,000, down from $2,200 and an extra year of warranty then I think it's a chance worth taking. The worst that could happen is the IR, which in all honesty didn't look that bad, is actually burn in. The other ZT issues are fan noise on some of the earlier (pre August 2013 I think) models, curling up of the glass in the corners, which is very rare, and the occasional buzzing set. If you're clear of those problems (or can live with them) then I think you got a good deal here.
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Not a lot of hours like you said. And the IR looks similar to what I have on my ZT. If you find the IR is hard to see when running normal content, I would lean toward purchasing. BUT, I would also point out the seller the higher number of hours than what was disclosed and try to get them to come down to a lower price. Whatever you get them to go down in money in your pocket.
Thank you to both of you for your expertise and experience...I pulled the trigger and will look forward to getting it home and setup next week! The good thing is if there are any issues I have 2 years of worry free viewing!

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The good thing is if there are any issues I have 2 years of worry free viewing!
What aspect though? Last I read there is no spare parts…
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What aspect though? Last I read there is no spare parts…
True, was looking at it from a different perspective that I would have it replaced or refunded should anything major go wrong.

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Hopefully it lasts well for those two years.
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Hopefully it lasts well for those two years.
Yes, I hope that it does too...

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What is the target gamma for THX 3-D? I know THX cinema is 2.2 with typical VT readings of 2.26-2.27, bright room is 1.9 typically at 1.92 on VT's. Just curious what the target gamma for THX 3-D is?
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I noticed something new today that is somewhat bizarre and puzzling. After an extended trip when I got home the rabbit had eaten all my HDMI cables. Replacements are arriving tomorrow but I watched some shows on just the TV with no receiver or other devices processing the signal. The difference is surprising. The best way I can describe it is it reminds me of when they first started filming shows with the Canon 5D. Everything looks too real and somewhat zoomed in. Any ideas?
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I noticed something new today that is somewhat bizarre and puzzling. After an extended trip when I got home the rabbit had eaten all my HDMI cables. Replacements are arriving tomorrow but I watched some shows on just the TV with no receiver or other devices processing the signal. The difference is surprising. The best way I can describe it is it reminds me of when they first started filming shows with the Canon 5D. Everything looks too real and somewhat zoomed in. Any ideas?
What picture mode is it in? Switch to THX Cinema, turn off the usual suspects, and make sure aspect ratio is set to Full. After that maybe fixes things up, change it around to what you have it set for through your receiver (I think you can just copy the settings over?).
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I would jump on the NIB ZT65. At least in the states, that is well over $1000 off MSRP on a limited edition panel that folks have tried to sell for multiples the MSRP on Amazon.

The demo seems to me a risky proposition with the screen retention stuff going on.

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The NIB is a VT. There is less risk there but if it's not burn in on the ZT then $2,000 plus extended warranty vs. $3,200 for a NIB VT isn't really a question IMO. However, if the screen damage is permanent...
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Yes, I hope that it does too...
Those 2 years wouldn't be my main concern because you have that time period pretty much covered with your Warranty from the Mfg. and even the Store itself...which is a big plus.

The concern comes after the 2 years are up, but knowing that Panasonic's reliability record is high among other CE Mfg'ers, and that most electronic failures happen during the first few hundred hours of operation, you look to be in great shape on this deal. Lastly, the IR issue can definitely be solved given time to do it, and burn-in is really quite rare. All Mfg'ers consider burn-in as owner/operator abuse, so you need to figure out early on which is it, IR (temporary image retention) or burn-in (permanent screen damage).
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Curved? No thanks. OLED, yes, but only after we see the longevity of the technology. And as I recall, although the blacks are near perfect, there are some other issues inherent in the OLED tech that amount to a trade-off. The "infinite contrast" and "4 times the resolution" is marketing nonsense. So is the contention that a curved screen will give you "clarity from every angle".

I really hope LG makes enough money off OLED to motivate better manufacturers like Panasonic, Sony and Samsung into developing their own models (or purchasing panels from LG). I also hope R&D is spent on developing the display tech rather than just more pixels or other physical gimmicks like screen geometry.

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Closing in on 1000 hours with no hint of IR yet. Have fully adjusted my senses to the calibration I had done at 400 hours, and the PQ continues to be even more awesome than the outstanding OOTB experience.
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Just a heads up hands on word of advice........ my IR didn't happen until about 1300 hours. Being well over 1000 hours with no IR, I think I got complacent thinking I was so far past break-in I was out of the woods and had nothing to worry about, especially since my Kuro never gave me a moments issue with IR. Be careful with station logos, my IR happened from only 4 or 5 hours a night of watching the Velocity channel. It's their crappy "V" channel logo that is not 100% opaque ...... the tips are a solid silver/white and that is what burned into my set. After hundreds of hours of screen wipe and pixel flipper plus a few hundred more of regular viewing, it is about 90% gone. I can still see a faint outline on light colored solid screen material. I honestly don't know if this last 10% will fade or not...... it seems to have leveled off at this point and isn't fading any more.

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Over 2000 hours and not a hint of IR as yet. Never worried too much about logos, maybe its because I can't imagine 4-5 hours of watchable content existing on the Velocity channel....

Count me as still a happy camper (calibrated) 65ZT60 owner, and even more amazed this thread still lives...
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The NIB is a VT. There is less risk there but if it's not burn in on the ZT then $2,000 plus extended warranty vs. $3,200 for a NIB VT isn't really a question IMO. However, if the screen damage is permanent...
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Those 2 years wouldn't be my main concern because you have that time period pretty much covered with your Warranty from the Mfg. and even the Store itself...which is a big plus.

The concern comes after the 2 years are up, but knowing that Panasonic's reliability record is high among other CE Mfg'ers, and that most electronic failures happen during the first few hundred hours of operation, you look to be in great shape on this deal. Lastly, the IR issue can definitely be solved given time to do it, and burn-in is really quite rare. All Mfg'ers consider burn-in as owner/operator abuse, so you need to figure out early on which is it, IR (temporary image retention) or burn-in (permanent screen damage).
Is there any way to determine if it is IR vs.Burn-in other than time? Any suggestions on a DVD to play on it that will help identify this? I have both the Disney and Spears discs as well.

I am going to go check it out in person at the store (in a different city) and make sure that it is all good.

From what I have been able to read on the ZT/VT threads here the service has been good from Panasonic (always exceptions to the rule)...hopefully do not end up in a place where the only replacement option is an LED.

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Curved? No thanks. OLED, yes, but only after we see the longevity of the technology. And as I recall, although the blacks are near perfect, there are some other issues inherent in the OLED tech that amount to a trade-off. The "infinite contrast" and "4 times the resolution" is marketing nonsense. So is the contention that a curved screen will give you "clarity from every angle".

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Agree on the curve, not sure why these companies think it is a good idea?? I had an opportunity to see a 55" OLED beside a ZT 60 last year and the ZT was still a better picture IMO. The OLED looks great with the static images and demo content that is played, however with action/sports it did not keep up with the ZT. I ended up letting my good friend buy that ZT as he needed that TV more than I did at the time...

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Is there any way to determine if it is IR vs.Burn-in other than time? Any suggestions on a DVD to play on it that will help identify this? I have both the Disney and Spears discs as well.

I am going to go check it out in person at the store (in a different city) and make sure that it is all good.

From what I have been able to read on the ZT/VT threads here the service has been good from Panasonic (always exceptions to the rule)...hopefully do not end up in a place where the only replacement option is an LED.
Only time will tell. And it can take weeks of regular viewing to get rid of really bad IR. Playing the Disney WoW disc can help accelerate the process of ridding yourself of IR, but so can regular content.

Service techs can install a fan fix or replace a power board but if something major goes wrong your TV won't be repaired. Exchange or refund has been the course of action for major issues.

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Only time will tell. And it can take weeks of regular viewing to get rid of really bad IR. Playing the Disney WoW disc can help accelerate the process of ridding yourself of IR, but so can regular content.

Service techs can install a fan fix or replace a power board but if something major goes wrong your TV won't be repaired. Exchange or refund has been the course of action for major issues.
Thank you for the quick response!

Fingers crossed that if something major does happen there is a TV as good to replace it with...

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Over 2000 hours and not a hint of IR as yet. Never worried too much about logos, maybe its because I can't imagine 4-5 hours of watchable content existing on the Velocity channel....

Count me as still a happy camper (calibrated) 65ZT60 owner, and even more amazed this thread still lives...
Velocity Channel was my personal culprit. My point was on "some sets", any lengthy viewing with a logo can cause IR, as is evidenced by the membership here.
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Tried the other modes but that didn't do much, just changed the color and brightness levels. It really is a dramatic effect. You feel like you are standing on the set instead of watching a show.
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