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Relax genius. I just stuck my phone behind the tv (your tv) and took a picture. Then looked at the picture. What I saw wasn't gold. I was unaware the the USB and hdmi are different. I will go look again. Remember the tv is on a stand stuffed in a corner.
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Hey dillweed, I just looked again, and EVERY SINGLE USB, HDMI and RCA are silver. You are welcome to come to my house and look yourself. You know where I live.
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Hey dillweed, I just looked again, and EVERY SINGLE USB, HDMI and RCA are silver. You are welcome to come to my house and look yourself. You know where I live.
don't you get it, clearly the pic of the TV in my ad, the same one in my house, the same one you bought has gold.
I am not going to argue with you, obviously you got caught in your web of lies.
that pic you took is not the TV you bought from me. period end of story.
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F you. Come to my house as look at it yourself. I have no reason to lie, unlike you. Not gold, not thx, not special screen. You are a liar and a thief.
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F you. Come to my house as look at it yourself. I have no reason to lie, unlike you. Not gold, not thx, not special screen. You are a liar and a thief.
you are just making me laugh louder, my wife and kids are all getting a great chuckle!

keep writing more!

can't wait to see what's next

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Great response. It totally absolves you of any wrong doing. Your laughing family that all profit from your indescrections. I hope your wife has more honor in her business. Again- you know where I live, come look at the tv yourself. Why would I lie? What would I gain? How did you pay for your Ferrari? Thief.
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I don't know who's right or wrong in the dispute. But maybe both of you need to handle it via PMs before somebody gets banned. Might be wise to clean up your post too before Mod cleans them up.
Would hate to see this thread get shut down over this dispute.
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I don't know who's right or wrong in the dispute. But maybe both of you need to handle it via PMs before somebody gets banned. Might be wise to clean up your post too before Mod cleans them up.
Would hate to see this thread get shut down over this dispute.
good point , 14,000 posts
but i'm sure we're done anyway
my pics are exactly like the pics in the web review, offering more proof of the validity of the ZT60.
He is so far into his lies he doesn't know how to get back to reality.
Before he even bought it, he told me he couldn't let his wife know what he had paid,
well.....
i guess she found out, and look out.....

still, it was only 12 hours ago, i offered a full refund, all i asked was that he brought it to me.
Seems like that was an impossible request, can't bring it back, got no box anymore...
i do feel sorry for him, but Josh lying never solves any problem, can't lie to your wife and can't lie to me.
and if you don't want to keep it, i will offer $500 for it and i'll pick it up, after all thats all its worth if its a frankenstein TV
let me know, cash in hand

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I have never lied. Again, why would I? What do I have to gain from this stress and BS? As I already said- you have your money. And I have some TV that is NOT what I paid for.

Now that it is daylight- here is a better shot of both the back of the 'VT60' and my VT50. You can see that they are different in layout, and also both have plain silver connections.

I would like to figure out exactly what it is that I have though.

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I don't know who's right or wrong in the dispute. But maybe both of you need to handle it via PMs before somebody gets banned. Might be wise to clean up your post too before Mod cleans them up.
Would hate to see this thread get shut down over this dispute.
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...Or in layman's terms - Before you take a vacation in Mogadishu Somalia or buy a TV with no labels do a little research


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I should have done more research before watching, "Need For Speed". I want the 42 minutes back that I spent watching. I really wish I knew how to get one of those jobs that green light these projects.

Guess I shouldn't complain to much...while watching, I think I solved my "over saturated red" problem for my Dish feed, which I've had following pro calibration. Had to set my color gamut to, "Native".
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I have never lied. Again, why would I? What do I have to gain from this stress and BS? As I already said- you have your money. And I have some TV that is NOT what I paid for.

Now that it is daylight- here is a better shot of both the back of the 'VT60' and my VT50. You can see that they are different in layout, and also both have plain silver connections.

I would like to figure out exactly what it is that I have though.

'ZT'-




VT50-



i thought we were done here with unsubstantiated claims, after you posted that bogus picture last night of some other TV, then i posted a blowup of the picture in my ad with gold connectors, and the exact look as PCMAG.
You should have seen the daylight yesterday when I kindly offered you a full refund.

Since you continue to fabricate your story, and I no longer have a ZT60 I will now be "unsubcribe" to this thread until I'm lucky enough to find another low hour Gem like the one I sold. Enjoy the ZT60's everyone they are in a class of their own!

Sorry the forum had to endure this escapade of snide remarks, and maybe there are lessons to be learned for both buyers and sellers.
And josh you can call me all the names you like , don't worry, you will hear nothing from me, you can have the last word, make it a really good one.
ba bye now
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I would like to figure out exactly what it is that I have though.
It would appear you have some combination of ZT60 (panel, bezel, trim etc.) and ST60 parts (internal boards, input board etc.).

Aside from the lack of THX setting and the missing identifier on the boot screen, the recent pics of the back panel show a label for 3 USB inputs but only 2 corresponding inputs. A quick Google image search of the ST back panel shows that it has only 2 USBs.
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It would appear you have some combination of ZT60 (panel, bezel, trim etc.) and ST60 parts (internal boards, input board etc.).

Aside from the lack of THX setting and the missing identifier on the boot screen, the recent pics of the back panel show a label for 3 USB inputs but only 2 corresponding inputs. A quick Google image search of the ST back panel shows that it has only 2 USBs.


Cant be. The circuit board inside the ZT has a silver metal piece the ST does not his circuit board looks like the ZT60 the outputs look like the ST60

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The ZT's metal main board plate has cutouts over particular components. I'd have a look through the vent holes to see if those components are visible and line up correctly.

Obviously very strange to have three USB labels (as there should be on the ZT), but only two actual sockets.
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Curious to see what would happen, I downloaded the ZT/VT60 firmware and tried to load it. No go. The TV just gave a message saying 'check file'.

So now I am downloading the ST firmware to see if that goes through.
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No go on the ST firmware either...
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Why don't you call Panasonic and provide them with the current firmware information that the TV is running? Someone there would be able to determine what exactly what it is that you have. With that said, I've never heard about "employee models." What, they give special panels to employees that are essentially crippled versions of the consumer model? I don't buy it, although I guess it's possible that it could be some ZT60 prototype? The casing itself is, without a doubt, is a ZT60. That much has been confirmed. But the fact that you can't reach the supposed "Panasonic employee" makes it all the more bizarre.

If the guy was offering you a full refund, I would just take it. And even at the inconvenience of transporting it via Uhaul or whatever means necessary, I'd still take it and be done with it. I don't feel a buyer should be blamed for not doing his research. I've sold many TVs over the years and very few of the buyers are people who researched forums to find out the pros and cons of the TV they're buying. They just see what CNET says about the set and trust that what you're selling is indeed what you say you're selling.

I bought a 42GT25 on Craigslist for a few hundred dollars and when I went to look at it, the first time we tried to turn it on, it wouldn't power on. The guy said it was because his outlets in his condo were acting up. It did power on the second time. When I took it home, it wouldn't power on and quickly realized that he sold a non-working TV that I had to have fixed at my own expense. The guy, of course, just played dumb and refused to accommodate me before eventually just ignoring my future attempts at communication. He had his money, so that was that. In your situation, sans the whole "restocking" BS, at least this guy is willing to let you take it back. Most people wouldn't.

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This ZT soap opera will never end ?

I was so happy without HDR...
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This ZT soap opera will never end ?

So you are saying I am not allowed to post details about what I bought in order to try to figure out what it is? Such as trying the firmware, or differences on the control boards?
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With that said, I've never heard about "employee models." What, they give special panels to employees that are essentially crippled versions of the consumer model? I don't buy it, although I guess it's possible that it could be some ZT60 prototype? The casing itself is, without a doubt, is a ZT60. That much has been confirmed. But the fact that you can't reach the supposed "Panasonic employee" makes it all the more bizarre.
A pre-production prototype that was used for testing and never found its way back to Panasonic HQ actually makes the most sense and goes a way to explaining why the original seller (engineer/employee) has washed his hands of it after selling/giving it away—likely was never meant to be sold.

Another clue that leads to that conclusion is the BT remote in the pic from the original listing. Can't find any others like that from any other region. It is also labelled "experts only"??
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They don't all say experts only? I have glasses it came with as well, should there be part #'s on those?

The 'employee' that answered the phone and then hung up sounded to be about 20 y/o. That makes sense as the seller I bought it from stated he met him 'at his parents house' to buy it. So, not an engineer I would assume. Probably just has sticky fingers.

It is my fault I got burned- 100%. I just want to try to figure out what I have. I might end up taking it apart one weekend and seeing if any part #'s are listed on the insides.
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If the guy was offering you a full refund, I would just take it.
Ain't gonna happen. He's already scorched that bridge.
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A pre-production prototype that was used for testing and never found its way back to Panasonic HQ actually makes the most sense and goes a way to explaining why the original seller (engineer/employee) has washed his hands of it after selling/giving it away—likely was never meant to be sold.

Another clue that leads to that conclusion is the BT remote in the pic from the original listing. Can't find any others like that from any other region. It is also labelled "experts only"??
Prototype just might be the answer??

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Prototype just might be the answer??
Seems the most logical explanation all things considered: unlike powerdubs, I don't doubt the involvement of an employee somewhere in the chain of events. Unmarked box and mislabelled packing materials could also mean it was an early packaging/shipping trial to sent to the US to verify the tv survives its travels w/o damage etc.
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Seems the most logical explanation all things considered: unlike powerdubs, I don't doubt the involvement of an employee somewhere in the chain of events. Unmarked box and mislabelled packing materials could also mean it was an early packaging/shipping trial to sent to the US to verify the tv survives its travels w/o damage etc.
Although the seller did clearly indicate that it was an unmarked ZT60, he did not indicate what this meant in terms of the differences in terms of the TV's features - and as far as we know, the only real difference is a lack of a THX mode and the inability to run the ZT60's current firmware.

On the bright side, you do have what appears to be a ZT60 with extremely low usage, so unless THX Cinema was absolutely essential to you, I think you shouldn't really have any problems with it.
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Although the seller did clearly indicate that it was an unmarked ZT60, he did not indicate what this meant in terms of the differences in terms of the TV's features - and as far as we know, the only real difference is a lack of a THX mode and the inability to run the ZT60's current firmware.

On the bright side, you do have what appears to be a ZT60 with extremely low usage, so unless THX Cinema was absolutely essential to you, I think you shouldn't really have any problems with it.

Assuming the hours count hasn't been reset by reflashing the firmware, or something like that. There should be another count in the service menu, but that is apparently inaccessible.

If I were buying something like this, the lack of a serial number would create doubt. How could I be sure this hasn't been stolen and altered to remove any identifying information?

There may well be a non-sinister explanation for all this. Personally, I would get Panasonic in to replace the main board. And when they have it open, then I'd take a good look at it. If it's only that board that needs replacing to make this a standard ZT, then that's good news.
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Assuming the hours count hasn't been reset by reflashing the firmware, or something like that. There should be another count in the service menu, but that is apparently inaccessible.

If I were buying something like this, the lack of a serial number would create doubt. How could I be sure this hasn't been stolen and altered to remove any identifying information?

There may well be a non-sinister explanation for all this. Personally, I would get Panasonic in to replace the main board. And when they have it open, then I'd take a good look at it. If it's only that board that needs replacing to make this a standard ZT, then that's good news.
He'd have to pay a tech to inspect it, as the set probably never had any type of actual warranty to begin with. But I am pretty sure ZT main boards can still be obtained. If not through Panasonic, then sold from gutted TVs on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/181993789780
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks

I don't know about anyone else, but at least I have closure.
I emailed him on tuesday, and again offered him a full refund, less $25 for the box he recycled.
It is now two days later and never heard a word from him, so I have to assume he does not wish to return it, which means he wants to keep it after all.
And so I conclude even after all of his ranting and raving, he must be happy with the deal.
Thanks to all those who offered help and advice
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