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post #181 of 13076 Old 05-30-2013, 09:27 AM
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I take it back. I am trying THX Bright Room right now and it looks excellent! Originally out of the box it looked washed out so the TV is getting better over time. Of course I am watching Zodiac- one of the clearest Blu Rays ever for picture (almost the whole movie is picture window level clarity). It's probably due to the Viper digital cameras Fincher shot it with.

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Tomorrow night I will be over 100 hours into the break in.
At that point I can watch letterbox Blu-rays, is that correct?
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Tomorrow night I will be over 100 hours into the break in.
At that point I can watch letterbox Blu-rays, is that correct?

Why can't you watch them right now ?

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Thought if you wanted an even break in of the pixels,
It was best to avoid letterbox movies for the first 100 hours of break
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ya but then someone pointed out the moment you stop, they start to diverge anyway, All you're doing is ensuring even burn BEFORE stuff starts to get uneven.

Maybe this minimizes the drift that will occur, but if every TV has a whole suite of options for calibration, won't a calibration session at 3-500 hours correct for these effects?

To me it seemed best value was for people that wanted to use D-nice's settings and avoid pro calibration. That and making that TV burn a higher number of hours so defects are found earlier on, making exchange easier.

Since I live in a small space, the thought of a giant, ever-changing coloured rectangle for 24 hours a day a few days straight is somewhat frightening to contemplate. Who knows what effect that will have on the human and feline behaviour! Also our bedroom opens onto the big room w/ the TV, we keep the door open at night. It would be a weird strobe over us while we sleep. Creepy.

That and I am so eager now I just want to enjoy right away. I figure if I shell out for a pro calibration and keep up the relationship, I can compensate for any effect on my panel from mixed content...

And when no one is here but the cats, I'd probably run slides just to bring up the # of hours...
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Thought if you wanted an even break in of the pixels,
It was best to avoid letterbox movies for the first 100 hours of break
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Avoid for "long periods of time", it doesnt mean you cant watch at all. As long as you use different types of content to switch it up watch what you want smile.gif ....There are many who just turn it on and watch TV as they normally do, its not until they come to the forums where people tend to be a little OCD that they start doing things differently.
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Thought if you wanted an even break in of the pixels,
It was best to avoid letterbox movies for the first 100 hours of break
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While it's true that phosphors are less stable at first and in an ideal world all phosphors would receive the exact same attention, having mixed use of your TV from time to time in its early life won't have any appreciable effect. Don't get too wrapped up in a ritual whose actual benefit beyond calibration preparation is difficult to measure. It's your TV, so enjoy it.

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ya but then someone pointed out the moment you stop, they start to diverge anyway, All you're doing is ensuring even burn BEFORE stuff starts to get uneven.

Maybe this minimizes the drift that will occur, but if every TV has a whole suite of options for calibration, won't a calibration session at 3-500 hours correct for these effects?

To me it seemed best value was for people that wanted to use D-nice's settings and avoid pro calibration. That and making that TV burn a higher number of hours so defects are found earlier on, making exchange easier.

Since I live in a small space, the thought of a giant, ever-changing coloured rectangle for 24 hours a day a few days straight is somewhat frightening to contemplate. Who knows what effect that will have on the human and feline behaviour! Also our bedroom opens onto the big room w/ the TV, we keep the door open at night. It would be a weird strobe over us while we sleep. Creepy.

That and I am so eager now I just want to enjoy right away. I figure if I shell out for a pro calibration and keep up the relationship, I can compensate for any effect on my panel from mixed content...

And when no one is here but the cats, I'd probably run slides just to bring up the # of hours...

Just a small correction, its not "burn" its age smile.gif
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Just a small correction, its not "burn" its age smile.gif
Given that intensity diminishes over time I don't think "burn" is an inaccurate verb.

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Do you guys see any DSE/vertical banding on your zt60?

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Yeah once I do my 2nd Pass I'll post the settings. I dont want to post these as teh gamma is off on teh low end. not a huge error but I want to get it a little flatter.

I had some vertical banding at t he start, a few on the left and one on the right. The left ones have disappeared after around 60-70 hours of use, and the right one was so faint to begin with (they all were very faint) it started to disappear as well. Haven't checked for it lately.I never have seen it watching regular content though

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Just a small correction, its not "burn" its age smile.gif

Appreciated! wink.gif
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While it's true that phosphors are less stable at first and in an ideal world all phosphors would receive the exact same attention, having mixed use of your TV from time to time in its early life won't have any appreciable effect. Don't get too wrapped up in a ritual whose actual benefit beyond calibration preparation is difficult to measure. It's your TV, so enjoy it.

+1 no reason to not watch blurays just mix up the content and you will be fine, it takes a long long time for uneven wear to develop

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Thanks for replies on Blu-ray usage early on!
I will watch later thus evening!
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Just ordered my 65" ZT, should be here Saturday or Monday

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Watch 16:9 Blu Rays like the Avengers, Avatar, Dark Knight Returns,Pans Labyrinth!

I just mixed those in with 16:9 cable without station ID's or crawlers.

A Game of Thrones marathon would
Work well, too! smile.gif

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I just got mine this afternoon after a month long wait. I like the TV so far. comparing with my KURO 5020 . as you can see in the pictures, white's are looking gray... in all picture mode's except the out of the box custom mode. but in that mode I can see blur pictures. I didn't tried blu ray yet. i just watched regular HD channels. My TV is around couple hours old...
my KURO is not calibrated and its in OPTIMUM mode.

am I have to worry about it...? ( update: I just watched a Blu Ray movie .. its outstanding , natural ) I wont worry about much now)

(update: The below pictures with three setting. (1. THX Cenima, 2.and 3 THX Bright , 4 and 5 are custom out of the box setting.)

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Were the photos comparing the Kuro with the Panny done in THX bright room?
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KPL1234 - with all due respect -- I think Pure mode on the Kuro is a better comparo. Optimum will deliver better whites but is far too bright. If you use Pure you'll see that even on the Kuro the whites look darker, yellowish, and there is less color pop but if I remember correctly that setting is supposed to truer to the source. On my 111fd Movie was my favorite of all the presets. I actually like the picture on the ZT better than the Kuro in Optimum -- but then again I never liked Optimum -- an, that Kuro looks bad to me in Optimum.
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KPL1234, I have a 111FD and to be honest the Panny looks more natural in the pics you posted. The optimum setting always looked overly saturated and slightly cool to me.(That being said I prefer optimum for live events like sports and such.) The skin tones look more natural on the Panny, ( in your photos) especially the first and last pic. Like Glashub said, try the movie or pure mode and post more comparison pics. I think they'll look more identical then.
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And try THX bright room if you are comparing whites to a bright (optimum) mode on the Kuro. THX cinema looks a lot better in somewhat low light environments but I still love it during the daytime.

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Yeah the zt looks better in all of those pics

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Also remember that the first hours the panel will seem a bit darker after about a week of viewing the panel really comes alive, it gets much better. That happened to my GT50 anyway.

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Watch 16:9 Blu Rays like the Avengers, Avatar, Dark Knight Returns,Pans Labyrinth!

I just mixed those in with 16:9 cable without station ID's or crawlers.

A Game of Thrones marathon would
Work well, too!
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Looking forward to receiving my 65" ZT60 next week. Just waiting for a call from the shipper on which day works for them.

I think all this navel gazing on Kuro blacks vs ZT blacks is funny. Measuring specs on these ultra-high performance sets are more about feeling good about your purchase -- like getting a high performance car and then spending money to get 5 more HP that you'll never really feel or enjoy in real life. Unless you guys have super tightly controlled viewing rooms (obviously some of you guys do), the only thing that matters is what the experience is from your favorite seat.

You can tune your set to match your environment better, but even the Kuro sucks if you have a wall of windows near your TV and you can't pull down the shades. Willing to bet most folks here can't control their lighting to the level needed to get 100% out of their reference panels where black levels on the level of the ZT60 or Kuro matter so much that you'd stay awake at night!

My own general prevailing rules are:

a. 65" > 50" and bigger is better until I can't see the entire movie on the screen unless I move my head. Then it's too big.
b. Will I be immersed in my favorite movie, or will I be wondering why the colors look weird and why that shot of the night sky looks grey

Fully expecting the ZT60 to be spectacular. I am going to calibrate my set and enjoy all my favorite movies all over again and not lose sleep over measurements. For $4000+, I am determined for the first time in a long time to not obsess over whether color should be set to +1 or +2, and to lose myself in the content, not the display.
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