It seems that way and I have studied all of the threads here and was originally leaning toward the ZT60 but am in a relatively bright room and the F8500 may be the better bet. However, I really want the best set and all I care about is picture and although Panasonic has not come out with new professional models in a couple of years the reviews of the VX300u were really good. I know it's a lot more expensive than the others but would gladly pay more if it's the best picture. If only there was a place to see them all side by side.
If anyone has seen them all I would love some insight. I would just hate to buy a new consumer model and be disappointed that it didn't stack up to my current set. Thanks so much.
MLL definitely is better for the ZT60 and VT60 and a little better for F8500, but it seems the industrial vx300u and perhaps even the 50u Panasonics must have something better than consumer brands. They're still about $1,000 more, no speakers, 3D or smarttv functions and I thought it was still the reference models for broadcast studios? What am I missing?
I get it that it may be good for signage applications, but still don't understand how they could justify the price if they were truly inferior.
You are also comparing an old TV to the new generation, to put it mildly, these days you are not going to really find a top end set without the bells and whistles....If you want the stripped down professional model there will be sacrifices made other than just the bells and whistles. I think I read somewhere that the Pro models (not really meant for consumer) are ~2 years behind or so when it comes to tech.....As its been said many time already the ZT is a step above previous plasmas and if money is no object Id probably go with a ZT\F8500 depending on what I was looking for.....The Pro models these days (Vx300 in this casew) just cant match up with the current generation. The benefit is that you can go MUCH larger with pro models, where the consumer line is usually limited to cap out at 65" for Plasma sets...
This is JMHO though and I may be wrong on some things, hopefully people will chime in....
With this said, the VT60, ZT60, and 8500 are better panels. End of discussion.
The commercial area is drifting to where they are almost always out of stock as well. Not enough units being produced.
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The pro panels are as mentioned still 2010/11 tech and will probably stay there.
I owned nothing but the Panasonic pro series right from the PHD8 - PF10 and changed every year until I found and bought a 60" Pioneer G9 in 2009 and still have it today.
Nothing but the ST60 is great and is not classified HDG ...
Pioneer LX 5090H + Démo G5 C+ Csat HD + DD et la TNT + Pioneer LX58 + Sony BD-S790 ... Pana 50 ST60 + PS3 BD + Pioneer BD320 ... CRT Philips 32 PW 9520 P+2 DNM + TNT Thomson DTI 652 + Pioneer DV 380 ... BR 137 .
Its strange for me that everyone moved on from the pro models... VX100 for example was so far ahead of its time with unmatched shadow detail (to this day), pin point sharpness, very low and stable mll, and 25% more light output than F8500 even while holding a lower black level, hell even the PH and PF series were incredibly bright, sharp and with good detail but nobody paid any mind after 11 series and panny keep working on those models
The new panels make fridge noises and just unearthly fan howling noise
If they duped you into getting a "newer and better" panel I feel sorry for you.
Nothing better PQ wise, I had 2 ZT60's - returned both. GARBAGE.
Maybe that is the case now but the VX100 was one hell of a display and curb stomps the F8500 in my opinion
Pro models share the same panels but the driving were focused on extra fine shadow/mid/highlight detail, also for some years PF was just a VT sans louver filter which is all that is required for eliminating the "screen door affect"
It's good to believe you get more for less nowadays, they should sign up for Obamacare immediately
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And I would take it over any ZT/VT any time of the day as I do not care for 3D...
The Panasonic insider has stated that the display market for businesses is more lucrative than that of the cutthroat, low margins consumer market, so one can begin to understand why the prices aren't as low in the former market.
Second, I just checked the specs and you're wrong on several counts: http://panasonic.net/prodisplays/products/65pf30/spec.html
1) The TH-65PF30U *does* have 3D.
2) The ZT60 is listed with a 6,000,000:1 CR while the above pro panel is "only" 5,000,000:1.
3) The panel gradation on the ZT60 is also improved at 30,720 steps versus 6.124 on the pro panel.
Would you please stop peddling garbage and leave it for your Amazon rants?