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I am in the market to replace an 8 year old Panasonic Professional Plasma (TH-50phd8uk). I have loved that set and picture but it is time. Do the consumer models really now beat the quality of a professional plasma monitor?

It seems that way and I have studied all of the threads here and was originally leaning toward the ZT60 but am in a relatively bright room and the F8500 may be the better bet. However, I really want the best set and all I care about is picture and although Panasonic has not come out with new professional models in a couple of years the reviews of the VX300u were really good. I know it's a lot more expensive than the others but would gladly pay more if it's the best picture. If only there was a place to see them all side by side.

If anyone has seen them all I would love some insight. I would just hate to buy a new consumer model and be disappointed that it didn't stack up to my current set. Thanks so much.
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Id probably go with the ZT60 or F8500, if price is no object and you watch TV msotly when its light controlled or dark then the ZT may better suited for you. Most of the TVs whis year will probably get lower (in MLL terms) than the Vx300 as well.....

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Thanks for the reply.

MLL definitely is better for the ZT60 and VT60 and a little better for F8500, but it seems the industrial vx300u and perhaps even the 50u Panasonics must have something better than consumer brands. They're still about $1,000 more, no speakers, 3D or smarttv functions and I thought it was still the reference models for broadcast studios? What am I missing?

I get it that it may be good for signage applications, but still don't understand how they could justify the price if they were truly inferior.
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It looks like Cleveland Plasma is one of the few retailers that sells the Panasonic displays (professional). Are any in stock to view?
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PM Chris (Cleveland Plasma) and ask.....If you are close to the shop they may be able to accomodate you...

You are also comparing an old TV to the new generation, to put it mildly, these days you are not going to really find a top end set without the bells and whistles....If you want the stripped down professional model there will be sacrifices made other than just the bells and whistles. I think I read somewhere that the Pro models (not really meant for consumer) are ~2 years behind or so when it comes to tech.....As its been said many time already the ZT is a step above previous plasmas and if money is no object Id probably go with a ZT\F8500 depending on what I was looking for.....The Pro models these days (Vx300 in this casew) just cant match up with the current generation. The benefit is that you can go MUCH larger with pro models, where the consumer line is usually limited to cap out at 65" for Plasma sets...

This is JMHO though and I may be wrong on some things, hopefully people will chime in....
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Does anyone know if there are any known limitations or differences between the VT60 and F8500 using DLNA?
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I will save you the trip, The XV300 is based off the 2011 VT30 panel. The TH-65PF30U is a 2012 model but based off the VT30 Panel as well.

With this said, the VT60, ZT60, and 8500 are better panels. End of discussion.

The commercial area is drifting to where they are almost always out of stock as well. Not enough units being produced.
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so do I buy the 60" ZT or VT - it is a well light room in day - pulling trigger in about two hours
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The VT will get slightly brighter, the ZT handles reflections better. So if I were you I would go with the F8500.smile.gif
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If you have not seen the F8500 you owe it to yourself to take a look before you purchase. In my opinion it beats the Panasonics in a couple of critical areas, and for a bright room you will definitely appreciate the extra light output, and I dare say you will not notice the difference in the black level. You really should see it first for yourself. God Bless
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^That is a daring thing to say.
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The Panasonic pro series displays where better than the consumer panels some years ago, however the consumer panels have taken over and are now much better!

The pro panels are as mentioned still 2010/11 tech and will probably stay there.

I owned nothing but the Panasonic pro series right from the PHD8 - PF10 and changed every year until I found and bought a 60" Pioneer G9 in 2009 and still have it today.
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Glad I found this thread. I also have an 8 year old TH-50phd8uk! It is a great set and has served me well, but I am moving and want something a little bigger for the wall. Looking like it's going to be the 65VT60 for me. I will also check out the ST60 as it is a lot cheaper, but the reports of lag concern me (and I do play FPS games).
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^That is a daring thing to say.


Vinni we get it you don't like Samsung ..
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^That is a daring thing to say.
Yes ...

Nothing but the ST60 is great and is not classified HDG ...

ST60 :



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Vinni we get it you don't like Samsung ..
Welcome to last week. I don't like false insinuations made in the post I referenced (i.e. no detectable difference in the black levels, which is patently untrue given the right viewing environment and content). Thank you, move along and welcome to ignore.
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Its strange for me that everyone moved on from the pro models... VX100 for example was so far ahead of its time with unmatched shadow detail (to this day), pin point sharpness, very low and stable mll, and 25% more light output than F8500 even while holding a lower black level, hell even the PH and PF series were incredibly bright, sharp and with good detail but nobody paid any mind after 11 series :( and panny keep working on those models

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the new panels are ALL GARBAGE - get VX300 - still the best

The new panels make fridge noises and just unearthly fan howling noise

If they duped you into getting a "newer and better" panel I feel sorry for you.
Nothing better PQ wise, I had 2 ZT60's - returned both. GARBAGE.
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The Panasonic pro series displays where better than the consumer panels some years ago, however the consumer panels have taken over and are now much better!

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Maybe that is the case now but the VX100 was one hell of a display and curb stomps the F8500 in my opinion

 

Pro models share the same panels but the driving were focused on extra fine shadow/mid/highlight detail, also for some years PF was just a VT sans louver filter which is all that is required for eliminating the "screen door affect"

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Those who say consumer models have overtaken professional models... lol, those should check the oil level in their consumer displays and their heads as well...
It's good to believe you get more for less nowadays, they should sign up for Obamacare immediately
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I hate commiecare as much as the next sane person, but could you try to be a little more combative with those who share a different perspective and refrain from the nonsensical analogies? You paid $10k for a panel that offers no visual benefits over one you can get for a third (or less) of the price, so careful with the stones you're casting.
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I hate commiecare as much as the next sane person, but could you try to be a little more combative with those who share a different perspective and refrain from the nonsensical analogies?

You mean nonsensical analogies like "commiecare"?
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Let's not go there guys, back to tvs. These types of discussions never end well

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You mean nonsensical analogies like "commiecare"?
You can call it fascistcare for all I care, it's an authoritarian nightmare that forces you to become an indentured servant to the insurance companies (until they go broke), while the IRS gleefully ensures you're succumbing to all 20,000 pages plus stacks of additional regulations/edicts.
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You mean nonsensical analogies like "commiecare"?

I hear you brother... smile.gif

And vx300u 65" was in $4500 range - so 50% premium, not over 3 times the price...
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These still sell for more than zt's and there's a reason for it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0U7-000A-00001
And I would take it over any ZT/VT any time of the day as I do not care for 3D...
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Not much more, Tigerdirect has it for $3490. Please, post some reviews and measurement comparisons that show us the "superiority" of that monitor over Panasonic's final consumer panels.

The Panasonic insider has stated that the display market for businesses is more lucrative than that of the cutthroat, low margins consumer market, so one can begin to understand why the prices aren't as low in the former market.

Second, I just checked the specs and you're wrong on several counts: http://panasonic.net/prodisplays/products/65pf30/spec.html

1) The TH-65PF30U *does* have 3D.

2) The ZT60 is listed with a 6,000,000:1 CR while the above pro panel is "only" 5,000,000:1.

3) The panel gradation on the ZT60 is also improved at 30,720 steps versus 6.124 on the pro panel.

Would you please stop peddling garbage and leave it for your Amazon rants?

Thanks, "brother."
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Vinnie the Pooh, I told you to stop watching cartoons... Surely you are the eye of your fellow tiger. Gradation steps lol. That's what happens when people read more than they can understand. Contrast err, you sure you spelled it right?
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Yes, jizz, gradation steps...you know, for a picture with smoother contouring and less in the way of color banding. You can always take up the matter with Panasonic engineering, but I can't wait to hear from your limitless wisdom as to how more isn't actually better in this scenario because, well, we should take YOUR word for it. And how so very typical...unable to attack the information, you attack the messenger. I'd share some more choice words on what you can do, but Christmas is nearly here and it's not in the spirit of the season, and it would be a shame to earn an infraction over another spat with your asininity.
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