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post #271 of 6750 Old 06-08-2013, 07:33 PM
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Ok let me ask this instead. Anyone have blacks that are black in the letterbox area while watching a bluray with hdmi black level set to 'normal'.


I'm not sure what you will do with an answer to your question.

If you want to see the darkest possible blacks that your set can produce, temporarily reduce the Brightness control to zero. That will give you a reference black level.

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In the review it says " There have been reports of a black level increase when switching Film mode Off to Cinema Smooth for 96 Hz playback"

Did you notice any visible change when switching to cinema smooth? I haven't seen a visible difference.

None for me either Hali. Blacks stay black as they did for the reviewer. I think this was addressed in one of the later firmware updates.
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^ I think the problem was the other-way-round:
Black level decreased when CS was on. This has been fixed in 1104.

Unless this talk is new?
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Oh so everyone has been using CS? I haven't used it once because I heard the black levels worsened although at the shootout Kevin Miller said the blacks got deeper with CS on so I don't know what to believe. Can someone with a meter please measure the black level with CS on and off with 1104 and report back.
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It was a very visible change in older FW. Now there is no visible change to blacks when turned on and I think buzz did a quick test to verify that a few days ago.
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How do you guys check the running hours by going into the service menu?
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It was a very visible change in older FW. Now there is no visible change to blacks when turned on and I think buzz did a quick test to verify that a few days ago.

I did not get around to doing that test but will soon.

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Apologies, I thought I read you did that.
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Wondering what the gaming experience is like on this TV for either Xbox 360 or Playstation 3, I am curious to know if its great for gaming, is there any noticeable input lag ?.
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Koko I replied in the other thread. Not sure I would classify as "great" as that is going to differ from user to user and be dependent on what you are coming from. Lag has been discussed a few times in both threads I believe.
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Oh so everyone has been using CS? I haven't used it once because I heard the black levels worsened although at the shootout Kevin Miller said the blacks got deeper with CS on so I don't know what to believe. Can someone with a meter please measure the black level with CS on and off with 1104 and report back.

why meter it? just try it, if you can't see the difference then there isn't one;)

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Just to point out, the shootout had FW direct from Samsung. At the time, the FW that was available to the public was decreasing black level when CS was enabled. You could tell instantly by eye. The latest FW there appears no change to black level when enabling. It 'may' be darker but we'll have to wait for a decent meter to be used to confirm it.

All points aside, I have been using it the last week or so for 24p and its been great. I recommend everyone on 1104+ try and see if they like it.
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do the 3d glasses shut off by themselves? How do you know they are off?

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do the 3d glasses shut off by themselves? How do you know they are off?
no. the little button on top push it turns green, on. push again turns red = off.

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...when I turn off the lights to watch a bluray, my eyes start getting super fatigued about 15 minutes in. I find myself trying to focus on the screen, and it being a task, because it's almost as if it's not there. It's there and it's not, like the entire picture isn't solid. Not really a flicker, but almost a flicker. That's the best I can describe it. I remember having a 60" LED that I returned and watching that in the dark was never an issue. I've messed around with cell light, contrast, and brightness. ...I'm watching a dark movie called the Fountain and my eyes are killing me. I though this is something I would get used to, but with only having a 15 day return period from BB, I don't have much time.

It really bums me out, because the uniformity, colors, and clarity are the best I've seen. It makes Uverse look better than I've ever seen it.

These are comments I posted about 2-3 weeks ago in the other thread.

About 4 days ago, I watched a DVR'd Game of Thrones in the dark, episode 9 eek.gif !!, and afterwards we were talking about the episode and this and that, when I realized that I had no eye fatigue nor noticed any sort of 'pulsating' in the picture. After a while, we watched that week's Mad Men and I was sort of waiting for the eye fatigue to set in, but forgot all about it and just enjoyed the show. Since then I've watched other shows in the dark and haven't noticed any eye fatigue, pulsating, or "like-flicker". Just the amazing PQ this display puts out ;D (FWIW, I've only been watching Uverse these last 4 days, not blu-ray, which is what previously gave me the most eye-fatigue, so it may still be too early to tell)

I'm trying to understand how I could go from this being an issue for me, to not an issue at all. Either: (a) I've become used to "plasma flicker" and don't notice it anymore, (b) my pixels/display has settled down and doesn't "pulsate" anymore, or (c) my 5-year-old Sony blu-ray player is the main culprit and was creating a placebo when previously watching Uverse.

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no. the little button on top push it turns green, on. push again turns red = off.

I think they time out power off too. After a certain number of minutes.
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I think they time out power off too. After a certain number of minutes.
ahh was not aware of that, thanks!

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I know this is a stupid question, but is there any way to get the audio from the apps on the tv to my receiver?
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^ An optical cable or use ARC through HDMI3.
Optical is the easiest, always works way.
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Just to point out, the shootout had FW direct from Samsung. At the time, the FW that was available to the public was decreasing black level when CS was enabled. You could tell instantly by eye. The latest FW there appears no change to black level when enabling. It 'may' be darker but we'll have to wait for a decent meter to be used to confirm it.

All points aside, I have been using it the last week or so for 24p and its been great. I recommend everyone on 1104+ try and see if they like it.

I can't see any reason not to use it Pie. Great, unaltered blacks, great motion, no SOE. I see no negative at all to using it.
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^ An optical cable or use ARC through HDMI3.
Optical is the easiest, always works way.

I don't use the apps really, but when i tried it, it was the only way I could get audio to my receiver (optical cable). For whatever reason, I was never able to get audio via ARC & HDMI3.
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Ugh, has anyone experienced the dreaded Fbr issue with this set?

Watching Mad Men tonight and my blacks were all over the place. I haven't seen that too much before but after my experience with the D series I'm very disappointed because the blacks were so stable on this set before.

I'm also curious as to why I got the "optimizing" message with the 1104 update when it seems like most people didn't.
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^Are you sure it wasn't your source? Did you try watching material you previously watched without an issue to see if it looked the same? I can't see why you would have had no issue and then, all of a sudden, an issue like this.
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I don't use the apps really, but when i tried it, it was the only way I could get audio to my receiver (optical cable). For whatever reason, I was never able to get audio via ARC & HDMI3.

Me too. Have not tried optical cable yet but ARC did not work, no matter what I did or tried.

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Last night I watched Everybody's Fine. Many many gorgeous scenes. This TV surprises me a lot with its stellar picture quality.

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Me too. Have not tried optical cable yet but ARC did not work, no matter what I did or tried.
ARC worked very easily for me with my Oppo BD player.
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^Are you sure it wasn't your source? Did you try watching material you previously watched without an issue to see if it looked the same? I can't see why you would have had no issue and then, all of a sudden, an issue like this.

Yeah, not sure what the heck to make of this. It doesn't seem like anyone else is complaining about the issue so not sure what the hell is going on.
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ARC worked very easily for me with my Oppo BD player.

Maybe my receiver is not compatible with the TV. Don't know. I will get an Optical cable. But Its not a big issue for me as I hardly use any app or stream through the TV. I have the receiver hooked to my HTPC so everything goes through the AVR.

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ARC worked very easily for me with my Oppo BD player.

I can get ARC to work, as long as you activate CEC first on the TV, then turn on ARC on the TV (send audio to AMP), then turn on CEC on the AMP and set the AMP to TV source.
The trouble is at that point, my CEC stops working properly when you go back to an external source,- the AMP does not power off when I turn the TV off.
The AMP is a Denon 2112ci. Occasionally I would not get sound, until I disable then re-enable ARC on the TV and AMP. An arduous task...

I bought a 15 ft SPDIF optical cable for 10 bucks. Problem solved.

I think because ARC (the use of) relies more heavily on the HDMI handshake process, there is more margin for error along the way when switching from external source to TV source.
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ARC worked very easily for me with my Oppo BD player.

Dan, I would only use ARC for the apps since everything else I connect carries both audio & video via HDMI.
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