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Lol. Just to say again, this was not 'my' fix. I repeated what had already been suggested. Glad it helped though.
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Quick question for anyone with a 51F8500:

How far from the edge of the panel/base does the curve begin to protrude forward, towards the viewer? Trying to determine whether this model will fit on my furniture, but I can't find a photo from directly above the TV, or a detailed "footprint" drawing of the base. Hoping the crude attached image helps make my question clear.


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^ The curve starts at about 4 inches, even though the curve is very shallow.
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^ The curve starts at about 4 inches, even though the curve is very shallow.

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I don't know if this has been discussed already, did Ron's calibrator mention this?, but after finding this image, I think the Cinema Smooth setting is reversed. When I have it Enabled, I do see judder, especially in moving sequences, and that kind of motion judder I saw at the theatre as well when there was real film being projected. But looking at the appended picture and seeing the images how 24p is converted to 96hz, the effect of Cinema Smoth disabled matches better that description. A lot clearer and almost no judder at all. Like some others, I was fooled by the Motion Judder Bug which reared its ugly head when I turned Cinema Smooth off and I therefore stuck with Cinema Smooth Enabled in all cases which now actually looks to me as it is Disabled. I have to do some more watching in order to decide which I am going to use.
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Are you trying Cinema Smooth with a Bluray at 1080p24 or broadcast/satellite/cable at 1080i60????

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New owner of this amazing TV>> PN51F8500...I seem to be having an issue with the Smart Metal Remote Control. I noticed when using the touch pad it sometimes turns off the remote completely. I literally cannot use it for 5mins or so and then it will work again. I changed the batteries and still having issues. Anyone having this problem? Thanks in advance.
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I don't know if this has been discussed already...

I wonder if your TV has the same BO bug / hardware problem as mine which can affect CS?
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I have been away for a while and just noticed that there are recents posts about adding fans to F8500s. The pictures and info from my April 2013 post may be of interest to some: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/2610#post_23205805

The number, size, and location of the fans was the result of careful consideration. The result is silent cooling of my PN60F8500 to near room temperature.
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is heat a problem with the 8500?

Also, I went looking for extended warranty information on the Samsung Canada site. So Samsung's Warranty really sucks. Only 12 months, and chatting with a rep said I can only get extended via my dealer?

Panasonic had 2 years, and I could get a 3rd via Panasonic's website anytime before the first 24 months were up.
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Just got a VG-KBD2000 keyboard to pair with my PN60F8500. Pairing was flawless, and it seems to make navigation somewhat easier than the smart remote.

One issue I'm having is with the Universal Remote Setup that I use to control my set top box. This works fine with the smart remote, but doesn't seem to work with the keyboard buttons (i.e. channel up/down). I did find, however, that if I use the smart remote and change the channel then click the channel change button on the keyboard the keyboard seems to work for a bit.
If I keep using the keyboard buttons for a while, it seems to keep working, but when I stop using it for a few minutes and try to use the STB buttons again.... No Luck!!

Then I more recently found that the smart remote has to have batteries in it for the keyboard to work for the STB at all. At the advice of Samsung support I attempted to remove the smart remote batteries once the keyboard started controlling the STB. The keyboard stopped working for the STB control altogether at that point as it the signal is still going through the smart remote.

Anyone experiencing this craziness? It's like I can trick it into working by first using the smart remote, but it's a bit useless to have to use the smart remote when I want to use the keyboard STB buttons.

Any input is appreciated!
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is heat a problem with the 8500?
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Normally the fanless convection cooling of the F8500s is adequate. There are circumstances when they can run hot like:

During break-in with slides,

In an enclosure without the 4" recommended gap around the screen,

Wall mounted close to the wall with an EVO Kit attached.
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I don't know if this has been discussed already, did Ron's calibrator mention this?, but after finding this image, I think the Cinema Smooth setting is reversed. When I have it Enabled, I do see judder, especially in moving sequences, and that kind of motion judder I saw at the theatre as well when there was real film being projected.

 

Yes, my calibrator did mention this.  He thought the Cinema Smooth settings were reversed -- or -- was not enabling/disabling as it should.

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Are you trying Cinema Smooth with a Bluray at 1080p24 or broadcast/satellite/cable at 1080i60????
AFAIK, Cinema Smooth is only available to use with 24p, so no, just Blu-rays at 1080p24.
I was looking at some of the motion patterns on Spears&Munsil Vol2 when I noticed that
some moving 24p patterns didn't look so good and I began flipping the settings back and forth,
both in the F8500 and in my Oppo player. After that, I ended up with: Film Mode to Auto in the Oppo,
Cinema Smooth disabled and the Motion Judder Canceller thing really, really set to off.
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I wonder if your TV has the same BO bug / hardware problem as mine which can affect CS?
Eh, remind me, what was that?
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I don't know if this has been discussed already, did Ron's calibrator mention this?, but after finding this image, I think the Cinema Smooth setting is reversed. When I have it Enabled, I do see judder, especially in moving sequences, and that kind of motion judder I saw at the theatre as well when there was real film being projected. But looking at the appended picture and seeing the images how 24p is converted to 96hz, the effect of Cinema Smoth disabled matches better that description. A lot clearer and almost no judder at all. Like some others, I was fooled by the Motion Judder Bug which reared its ugly head when I turned Cinema Smooth off and I therefore stuck with Cinema Smooth Enabled in all cases which now actually looks to me as it is Disabled. I have to do some more watching in order to decide which I am going to use.
But here is some contradicting things measured with my i1 Display Pro 3:
24p Cinema Smooth disabled:(60hz)

24p Cinema Smooth enabled:(96hz)

Just to check, 1080i50:(100hz)


So, Cinema Smooth does actually output 96hz so the setting is not reversed BUT the seen effect more correlates to it being disabled.
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^ Ooo what software did you use to perform those tests? I would like to try mine.

What I think has happened is that the software operation of making Cinema Smooth work has suffered (is buggy) to allow black to not be affected when CS is enabled.
This happened sometime along the firmware releases as CS used to work (although black levels rose) when the TV first came out.


BO and CS appear to be very much related. The BO 'bug' I am referring to on my TV (read the next few posts) :
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475066/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-owners-thread-no-street-price-talk/3840#post_24313176
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^ Ooo what software did you use to perform those tests? I would like to try mine.
HCFR, free calibration software: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1393853/hcfr-open-source-projector-and-display-calibration-software
When you "calibrate" the meter against a 80% white patch, it tells you the refresh rate.
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I have HCFR, thanks!
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You can say what you want, but to me CS acts as it should. I honestly don't think the motion on this TV is as good as the D7000, though.
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^ This may be affecting some and not others wink.gif

-It certainly doesn't perform the way it used to on my TV, and that's a fact.

/edit: the factory reset to improve PQ could also be related to BO/CS.
i.e. it all could be one big bad cluster of related bugs.
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I would urge every one to try out every combination of Cinema Smooth, Motion Judder Canceller as well
the settings in your player in order to decide which works best for you.
If you have the Spears&Munsil vol2, there are some excellent test sequences for 24p, 60i, film, video, film+video etc, which you
can use for testing.
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I Have D-nice coming again to cal this tv.I cannot remember if he does the motion test etc.Anyone here have had him and remember what test he does? been over yr since i seen him..ty smile.gifsmile.gif

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I Have D-nice coming again to cal this tv.I cannot remember if he does the motion test etc.Anyone here have had him and remember what test he does? been over yr since i seen him..ty smile.gifsmile.gif

Can you tell us if he calibrates your 8500 with Black Optimizer on or off?
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^ By rights it should be with it off, as it's only certain screen levels / precentage of black where it activates.
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New owner of this amazing TV>> PN51F8500...I seem to be having an issue with the Smart Metal Remote Control. I noticed when using the touch pad it sometimes turns off the remote completely. I literally cannot use it for 5mins or so and then it will work again. I changed the batteries and still having issues. Anyone having this problem? Thanks in advance.

I had the same trouble with the remote when I first got the set. Strangely though, it went away on it's own. Wish I could offer you a solution, but at least you know you aren't the only one who experienced it.
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I would urge every one to try out every combination of Cinema Smooth, Motion Judder Canceller as well
the settings in your player in order to decide which works best for you.
If you have the Spears&Munsil vol2, there are some excellent test sequences for 24p, 60i, film, video, film+video etc, which you
can use for testing.

I ran the 24p 30p and 60i motion test. I chose the ticker. With cinema smooth on and off (making sure MJC was also off) the 24p and 30p test failed. However, you could tell that the Cinema Smooth was still better in 24p and 30p as judder was not as bad as with it off. In fact, you could see the effect with it off and using 2:3 pulldown. The judder was there, and after every 2 sweep, the whole frame, and not just the ticker, would jerk trying to catch up. If you turn MJC to smooth, all the tests pass. Now to be fair, my Pioneer 5020 also fails the 24p and 30p motion tests too and they use 3:3 (72hz) instead of 4:4(96hz) cinema mode. So CS does work, the judder improvement is small compared to with it off, but you don't see the occasional frame jerk that having CS off creates.

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New owner of this amazing TV>> PN51F8500...I seem to be having an issue with the Smart Metal Remote Control. I noticed when using the touch pad it sometimes turns off the remote completely. I literally cannot use it for 5mins or so and then it will work again. I changed the batteries and still having issues. Anyone having this problem? Thanks in advance.

I've never had an issue but there is "pairing" and "re-pairing" mentioned in the Samsung FAQ - I recall seeing it and it seems I may have struggled some also. I actually pick up the "button" standard remote for most of my usage. I use the "Smart Features" very seldom. To do over I might have tried an F5500 display first and not made the move to the F8500 unless I had issues. Way to late for that now! I'm certainly NOT disappointed with the F8500 - just way to many features go unused by me.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/N0000044/11438/134349/PN64F8500AFXZA
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I sure will.He did my 65vt60 and Kevin M did my 55vt50..So im new to Sammy so will be cool to see the settings and changes.I'm just haveing acid flash backs on this tv far as motion things blur out,lag etc..But not consistent but enough during a tv session i do not see on the pannyz..So i hope its a bug ,Setting,firmware,Not a bad set .But Magnolia is waiting and have replacement if it is..D says it must b a setting cause he has not seen a problem on none of tv's he has calibrated...

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^ By rights it should be with it off, as it's only certain screen levels / precentage of black where it activates.

Pie, I reran your tests. I also notice the pixelation when hitting menu button and box slides to right with CS on and BO darkroom on. Turn it off or to day, and it works fine. I only notice that when I have actual 24p movies paused, not playing. So when I have my OPPO on with movie playing, the pixelation dissapears almost completely as the menu slides across to the right. So that tells me that for CS on with BO to dark room to really work properly, it needs 24p material playing. I pause the movie, hit the menu, and the pixels show up again. At least this is in my case.

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