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There does seem to be a pattern to the 60" models buzzing.

Is the 51" 8500 known to buzz as well?
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Is the 51" 8500 known to buzz as well?

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I have a 60-inch 8500. Maybe it buzzes if I put my ear to it (I haven't tried), but I've never heard it buzz.
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^ Yeah that's normal, there will be slight persistence of some things but they go away within minutes.

I am thinking about getting a 64f8500 and one of my concerns is IR....i watch CNN a lot and it has that ticker and logo. Will that mess up the screen over time??
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If that's all you watch every day for 10 hours... Probably. If you mix up your content a bit you will be ok. If all you watch is CNN then why even get a plasma... There's no point. I'd get a 8000 if I were you. You don't need to take advantage of better blacks or motion when watching the news. Be especially careful during the first couple hundred hours with what content you watch .... Limit the tickers and letterbars.
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If that's all you watch every day for 10 hours... Probably. If you mix up your content a bit you will be ok. If all you watch is CNN then why even get a plasma... There's no point. I'd get a 8000 if I were you. You don't need to take advantage of better blacks or motion when watching the news. Be especially careful during the first couple hundred hours with what content you watch .... Limit the tickers and letterbars.


i sit off-axis a lot and the colors are washed out on my 08 model year Samsung LED tv...one of the first available. I watch movies and other channels too. No gaming.
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A li'l joke there. I turned mine on and just used it. No low contrast or any breakin slides. If you're careful with black bars and logos and vary the content you will be just fine. Other people have different opinions of course. My TV doesn't show any signs or IR or uneven wear.

This. Mixed content and just use it. Same way I "broke in" my old B530. That tv actually did get IR and it was fine after about 500hrs. The F8500 has been completely impervious to any kind of IR over it's first 500hrs, I don't expect anything different now that it's fully bedded in.

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PLEASE forgive me ahead of time.....I am not trying to cause any disturbance or refute anybody's claims here.......

 

I own (4) plasma TV's and I bought a Panny for my parents a couple of years back.  And I have NEVER experienced IR on a single set.  I bugs me to no end to constantly hear about IR issues.  My parents watch MSNBC and FoxNews all the time and their Panny is still beautiful to this day.

 

My Pioneer Elite, Panny and (2) Samsung are all still running strong.  I would not even think about owning a crappy LCD/LED and been a HAPPY plasma guy for years.

 

Again......apologizes ahead of time.....but buy a plasma with confidence, especially the F8500 and enjoy your TV.

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I am thinking about getting a 64f8500 and one of my concerns is IR....i watch CNN a lot and it has that ticker and logo. Will that mess up the screen over time??

CNN and Plasmas aren't the best of friends.
When the Boston bombings occurred I had the channel on for most of the day when they were using the big red 'BREAKING NEWS' logo part.
That hung around for quite a while and finally went away after a couple of days.

You'd have to not watch all day every day as that may well do some damage, especially when the TV is brand new and the phosphors are yet to bake.
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Is the 51" 8500 known to buzz as well?

Mine does not at all and my hearing is still decent. I had to get the 51 to fit in the location I wanted it otherwise I would have got the 60+. If they made a 55" I would have got that size.
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PLEASE forgive me ahead of time.....I am not trying to cause any disturbance or refute anybody's claims here.......

I own (4) plasma TV's and I bought a Panny for my parents a couple of years back.  And I have NEVER experienced IR on a single set.  I bugs me to no end to constantly hear about IR issues.  My parents watch MSNBC and FoxNews all the time and their Panny is still beautiful to this day.

My Pioneer Elite, Panny and (2) Samsung are all still running strong.  I would not even think about owning a crappy LCD/LED and been a HAPPY plasma guy for years.

Again......apologizes ahead of time.....but buy a plasma with confidence, especially the F8500 and enjoy your TV.

I would be amazed if any of your Plasma's didn't exhibit some form of IR. All plasmas do. However it's important to understand the difference between IR and Burn In. IR is completely temporary and most will disappear within a few minutes of running a different picture. For instance a channel logo or for that matter black bars from a movie will normally disappear VERY quickly once a full screen picture is run. However Burn In, which is the permanent appearance of some picture/logo on the screen, is VERY rare these days and on most screens you would need to do something quite unusual to cause it.
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^ the Panasonic VT/ZTs are a little more prone to IR and burn, especially for gamers who are not careful.
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I would be amazed if any of your Plasma's didn't exhibit some form of IR. All plasmas do. However it's important to understand the difference between IR and Burn In. IR is completely temporary and most will disappear within a few minutes of running a different picture. For instance a channel logo or for that matter black bars from a movie will normally disappear VERY quickly once a full screen picture is run. However Burn In, which is the permanent appearance of some picture/logo on the screen, is VERY rare these days and on most screens you would need to do something quite unusual to cause it.

 

 

Well said.....let me rephrase.  With all my plasmas I do not have any burn in and/or permanent IR.  I love my plasmas and IMHO it is a shame that people get scared off by this false knowledge that all plasmas exhibit IR or BI.

 

Just my two-cents

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I would be amazed if any of your Plasma's didn't exhibit some form of IR. All plasmas do. However it's important to understand the difference between IR and Burn In. IR is completely temporary and most will disappear within a few minutes of running a different picture. For instance a channel logo or for that matter black bars from a movie will normally disappear VERY quickly once a full screen picture is run. However Burn In, which is the permanent appearance of some picture/logo on the screen, is VERY rare these days and on most screens you would need to do something quite unusual to cause it.
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^ the Panasonic VT/ZTs are a little more prone to IR and burn, especially for gamers who are not careful.

The Panasonics in general are prone to long-lasting IR, which I always found to be very bizarre. They advanced every aspect of their PQ but for some reason, they could not find a way to eliminate that problem.
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I would be amazed if any of your Plasma's didn't exhibit some form of IR. All plasmas do. However it's important to understand the difference between IR and Burn In. IR is completely temporary and most will disappear within a few minutes of running a different picture. For instance a channel logo or for that matter black bars from a movie will normally disappear VERY quickly once a full screen picture is run. However Burn In, which is the permanent appearance of some picture/logo on the screen, is VERY rare these days and on most screens you would need to do something quite unusual to cause it.

I think when we hear lcd fans talk about the burn in on plasmas being so severe watching an hour of news or playing a video game with a HUD will permanently ruin your tv, the plasma boys decide to stretch the truth the other way and claim no IR at all, when what they really mean is IR has never been a problem for them.


personally, about once a month I switch my Samsung b530 into full screen because my cheap arse cable company still broadcasts all their channels in 4:3 format(which I stretch horizontally to fill the screen) but 90% of the shows are filmed in 16:9 so I end up a choice between black bars top and bottom, or black bars top/bottom/left/right... or zoom in and cut off everything.

anyway, I do get minimal IR because of the black bars top and bottom, if I watched movies, or played games on the tv like I did when it was in my theatre, that would be enough. but right now, all it gets is cable.

the f8500 is way better. I can surf the web for like 5hrs straight, and I'll see a hint of IR when the black screen comes up while switching inputs, and as soon as other content comes on it's invisible again.

anyway, I'd still argue that saying plasmas have 'no IR' is closer to the truth than saying 'burn in is a problem with plasma' biggrin.gif

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Mine does not at all and my hearing is still decent.

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Same deal here, no buzzing at all from a 51" model.
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The Panasonics in general are prone to long-lasting IR, which I always found to be very bizarre. They advanced every aspect of their PQ but for some reason, they could not find a way to eliminate that problem.

The Pannys are suppose to have a more reference quality picture (after calibration). My guess is that IR is an image quality tradeoff.

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The Pannys are suppose to have a more reference quality picture (after calibration). My guess is that IR is an image quality tradeoff.

I doubt that. My signature series Pioneer Elite 101 had no IR issues at all (before or after calibration).
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I have a Samsung, a Pioneer and a Panasonic PDP.

The Panasonic PDP is most prone to IR.
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Are there any rumors, knowledge or best guesses out there regarding what will replace the 8500 and when? In particular I'd prefer to wait for a new set that has HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 support for full compatibility with 4K blu-ray when it comes out. Just wondering how long I may be waiting. My older set had the blue channel go bad in the low IREs so you can imagine the picture looks pretty green. But I'd like to try and wait it out before replacing it for that 4K support. Thanks!
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Are there any rumors, knowledge or best guesses out there regarding what will replace the 8500 and when? In particular I'd prefer to wait for a new set that has HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 support for full compatibility with 4K blu-ray when it comes out. Just wondering how long I may be waiting. My older set had the blue channel go bad in the low IREs so you can imagine the picture looks pretty green. But I'd like to try and wait it out before replacing it for that 4K support. Thanks!

Eh, if you're waiting for Samsung to issue another plasma after the 8500....you may be waiting for a while.

As in, the rest of your life.
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Eh, if you're waiting for Samsung to issue another plasma after the 8500....you may be waiting for a while.

As in, the rest of your life.
Doesn't need to be a plasma. Just whatever next gen replacement model they come out with which is considered just as good if not better overall pq, but with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support.
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I am thinking about getting a 64f8500 and one of my concerns is IR....i watch CNN a lot and it has that ticker and logo. Will that mess up the screen over time??
As a fairly new F8500 owner who is concerned with IR, just do what I did and get a BB extended warranty. It covers burn in. I hope it never happens but I have peace of mind and will use it if needed.

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Doesn't need to be a plasma. Just whatever next gen replacement model they come out with which is considered just as good if not better overall pq, but with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support.

well considering they kinda dropped ship on the oled tech(the only thing with the potential to improve on plasma pq), I don't think Samsung's gonna make anything better than the f8500 for a long time

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Does a calibration really give much more pop to the picture? I'm just not seeing an amazing picture for what you would expect with a $3k set. My settings are as follows

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All other options factory
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Just got my f8500 delivered off the truck excited to put it up tomorrow using the Samsung ultra thin wall mount what are some of the recommended settings owners are using for this set when I install the set and get my other set tomorrow D nice is going to come here and we are going to compare the three sets I have in the house
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Does a calibration really give much more pop to the picture? I'm just not seeing an amazing picture for what you would expect with a $3k set. My settings are as follows

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Contrast 95
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All other options factory
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what do you mean by 'pop'. the display is good because it makes things look like real life, not crazy bright, oversaturated, etc.

please don't take offense, I don't know your preferences or history, so just making sure this isn't an issue of being used to artificial looking displays.

I have my hdmi black level on low, what is your brightness set to?

have a look at the settings thread, and maybe try one of those calibrations to see if there's something you've got out of whack.

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Does a calibration really give much more pop to the picture? I'm just not seeing an amazing picture for what you would expect with a $3k set. My settings are as follows

Movie
Cell 20
Contrast 95
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Sharpness 0
All other options factory
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HDMI black level normal

There are many more (actually many, many more) TV menu settings you have to do to bring out the potential of this set without doing a calibration.

FW 1119 minimum
First set to Home not Store
MJC off
Cinema Smooth ??
Try BO off or other settings
Try all the Warm 1 Warm 2 settings ETC ETC

There are 4 or so main F8500 topics - go through them & mark down what settings others are using
Something is really wrong (setting wise) for you not to be stunned by this set - it is arguably the 2nd or 3rd best panel display ever built..
But in all fairness you need a bit of work to get it the best for you

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Just got my f8500 delivered off the truck excited to put it up tomorrow using the Samsung ultra thin wall mount what are some of the recommended settings owners are using for this set when I install the set and get my other set tomorrow D nice is going to come here and we are going to compare the three sets I have in the house

Congrats

See http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475066/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-owners-thread-no-street-price-talk/5400_50#post_24580433

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