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post #6031 of 7352 Old 05-21-2014, 11:50 AM
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I would bet on a typo. The UHD Evolution Kit will change/upgrade the connectors, that was by design as the UHD standard isn't yet fully defined so having an the inputs on a external connector allows them to future proof it to a degree. The Evolution Kit for the non-UHD plasma and LED models likely won't provide any physical hardware upgrade beyond the processor and ram contained in the Evolution Kit itself. I can't say for sure but, while HDMI 2.0 uses the same physical connector as HDMI 1.4 and can technically be upgraded if the Evolution Kit contains replacement HDMI circuitry, I can't see what advantage the higher bandwidth of HDMI 2.0 would be on a set that maxes out at 1920x1080. While 4K resolution content will need that bandwidth, HDMI 1.4 is more than sufficient for 1080p so what's the point?

I'm sure the forthcoming SEK-2000 will provide only the new hybrid touchpad/point remote shipping with the 2014 8000 Series LED models as well as the 2014 iteration of the SmartSuite, if either of those things matter to you then it might be worth the upgrade. Personally I only use the SmartSuite to launch Skype, Plex and/or Netflix, and I threw the tv remote in a drawer 5 min after ensuring that my programming had my Harmony controlling the TV the way I wanted it.

Exactly my thoughts, thanks for the reply.
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Has anyone noticed their panel being slightly brighter on the far left and right side? The same thing happened on my VT50 and I thought this wasn't supposed to happen on plasmas. With my bias light on, it's hardly noticeable but it's still something that bothers me considering the money I dropped on this.

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Has anyone noticed their panel being slightly brighter on the far left and right side? The same thing happened on my VT50 and I thought this wasn't supposed to happen on plasmas. With my bias light on, it's hardly noticeable but it's still something that bothers me considering the money I dropped on this.

I notice it on the far left in a totally dark room when there is no input. I can see it from about 5 feet away, but not from 10 feet away where I actually sit. When there is actually input, I do not see it. The plasma glow may be uneven. I noticed that on my old Pioneer 5020, when there is no input. How many hours do you have on your tv?
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just to let you know when i got my set (from the very first manufacture run) april 3-2013...brand new..MRT was 182! so Samsung must have run testing on it or something...

Samsung responded to a question about that - they said NO such thing happens!

So it was a demo or a returned set

not sure about the other person...but i got mine on initial release...it's literally not possible it could have been a demo or return.

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Have a few questions about my set. I don't think the issues are critical and I'm not losing sleep over any of it, just figured I'd ask anyway.

1. I've got a weird issue with horizontal panning that isn't judder. Unless it is related to judder. It almost looks like banding/DSE that would be seen on a LCD but I don't think that's possible. It's only noticeable on brighter scenes moving horizontally but not on static images (example, a warning screen in either red, green or blue). Could it be uneven pixel wear or something? The set is still young, not even a week old (birthday is tomorrow) so maybe that has something to do with it. TV is a 60F8500 with about 40 hours put onto it. Not using slides (sorry!), no static images, all 16:9 content, movie mode.

2. Motion seems weird sometimes. I've got it set for Cinema Smooth but sometimes it seems to just barely hit the "soap opera effect" and then revert back to normal. Movies tend to do it a bit less than TV shows, but maybe that's my eyes fooling me. At any rate I'm feeding the signal with a PS3 so maybe the player is the issue. The motion settings of Auto 1 and Auto 2 are greyed out.

3. Is Anynet+ a bit wonky, for lack of a better word? Sometimes my Elite VSX-52 will show on-screen volume adjustments, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing that's freaking me out, it's just inconsistent.

Other than these things I'm completely satisfied with this set. I'm not freaking out over any of the three things I posted, maybe because I'm getting less uptight as I get older. biggrin.gif
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Have a few questions about my set. I don't think the issues are critical and I'm not losing sleep over any of it, just figured I'd ask anyway.

1. I've got a weird issue with horizontal panning that isn't judder. Unless it is related to judder. It almost looks like banding/DSE that would be seen on a LCD but I don't think that's possible. It's only noticeable on brighter scenes moving horizontally but not on static images (example, a warning screen in either red, green or blue). Could it be uneven pixel wear or something? The set is still young, not even a week old (birthday is tomorrow) so maybe that has something to do with it. TV is a 60F8500 with about 40 hours put onto it. Not using slides (sorry!), no static images, all 16:9 content, movie mode.

2. Motion seems weird sometimes. I've got it set for Cinema Smooth but sometimes it seems to just barely hit the "soap opera effect" and then revert back to normal. Movies tend to do it a bit less than TV shows, but maybe that's my eyes fooling me. At any rate I'm feeding the signal with a PS3 so maybe the player is the issue. The motion settings of Auto 1 and Auto 2 are greyed out.

3. Is Anynet+ a bit wonky, for lack of a better word? Sometimes my Elite VSX-52 will show on-screen volume adjustments, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing that's freaking me out, it's just inconsistent.

Other than these things I'm completely satisfied with this set. I'm not freaking out over any of the three things I posted, maybe because I'm getting less uptight as I get older. biggrin.gif

With regards to number 1, it is not DSE, but the actual filter on the tv. You can actually see the horizontal bands with the tv off and having a light on reflecting off the screen. Moving your body slowly up from your seat, you will see those bands. Nothing you can do about that.

With regards to number 2, make sure judder control is turned off.

I cant answer number 3 since I do not use anynet.

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To second waxman's post...

 

1)  I agree with his opinion on #1.

 

2)  Cinema Smooth ONLY works with 1080p content @ 24Hz, so if you are watching DirecTV at 720p or 1080i the CS should be ghosted out.  My personal experience is that Cinema Smooth produces no hint of soap opera effect - but there is, indeed, a bug with the firmware.  You might want to force the anti-judder control to "off" (even if it says 'off').  Usually I see this when I take cinema smooth OFF.  The anti-judder says "off" but it is clearly on.  You need to physically click the option and press OFF again.  Some people like to toggle to on and back off, but I've found just re-clicking OFF is fine.

 

3)  I have no experience with anynet either.

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I got my 60in calibated today. I found an ISF certified guy 10 miles from my house and he only charged $200. At that price I realized he probably isn't a calibrating rockstar but I said what the hell. I sat with him the whole time and really learned a lot about the process. I actually understand what the 10pt white balance controls actual alter which was pretty cool. It's funny that the Cnet review said the blue was off because it was by far the most accurate on my particular set.

Anyways. Here are my results. The RBG balance looked almost perfect when he ran the series but in the final report, they look off. Did I get my money's worth or did I get scammed?






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With regards to number 1, it is not DSE, but the actual filter on the tv. You can actually see the horizontal bands with the tv off and having a light on reflecting off the screen. Moving your body slowly up from your seat, you will see those bands. Nothing you can do about that.

With regards to number 2, make sure judder control is turned off.

I cant answer number 3 since I do not use anynet.

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To second waxman's post...

1)  I agree with his opinion on #1.

2)  Cinema Smooth ONLY works with 1080p content @ 24Hz, so if you are watching DirecTV at 720p or 1080i the CS should be ghosted out.  My personal experience is that Cinema Smooth produces no hint of soap opera effect - but there is, indeed, a bug with the firmware.  You might want to force the anti-judder control to "off" (even if it says 'off').  Usually I see this when I take cinema smooth OFF.  The anti-judder says "off" but it is clearly on.  You need to physically click the option and press OFF again.  Some people like to toggle to on and back off, but I've found just re-clicking OFF is fine.

3)  I have no experience with anynet either.

Thanks for the responses, helps a ton.

I'll play around with the settings more to see what comes up with regards to motion. Not a huge deal, the fact that it's almost as good as my old RPTV is a huge bonus to me.
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there is, indeed, a bug with the firmware

What is the most current firmware version available for the 64F8500?
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Has anyone out here decided to just abandon 24p altogether and just go with 60 fps? I'm considering it as the 24p causes audio sync issues and can sometimes cause judder issues - I'm starting to think its just not worth it.
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Has anyone out here decided to just abandon 24p altogether and just go with 60 fps? I'm considering it as the 24p causes audio sync issues and can sometimes cause judder issues - I'm starting to think its just not worth it.

 

Exactly what I did.

 

Took my Oppo Blu-ray settings off of 24p.

 

That stopped the stuttering problems completely.

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Is it necessary to do a full factory reset after a firmware update of just "suggested"?

 

Also, what is the preferred procedure to do a firmware update?

 

Thanks so much in advance............

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Is it necessary to do a full factory reset after a firmware update of just "suggested"?

Also, what is the preferred procedure to do a firmware update?

Thanks so much in advance............

Not necessary to do a reset, unless you notice problems. When I Do a firmware update, I power off, remove all HDMI cables, optical cable, power on, do the update, power off, and then reconnect the cables.

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I will be getting my F8500 soon. Most of my viewing will be via Comcast. I will be using two of their Motorola 3400 DVR's with the f8500. Has anyone any problems when using two DVR's with this set. Will switching between DVR's be a hassle.
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I will be getting my F8500 soon. Most of my viewing will be via Comcast. I will be using two of their Motorola 3400 DVR's with the f8500. Has anyone any problems when using two DVR's with this set. Will switching between DVR's be a hassle.

I'm not sure i understand. why would it be any different than switching between any other two sources?

plug one into hdmi1, the other into hdmi2, and it'll work normally

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Yeah, I get that. After re-reading cnet's review, there were some comments made about the F8500 remote not really being DVR friendly. I will have to wait and judge for myself..
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oh, I could see that, considering it's only got like 7 buttons on it. I never really used mine, I've been a harmony user for years and I'm not going back anytime soon

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Yeah, I get that. After re-reading cnet's review, there were some comments made about the F8500 remote not really being DVR friendly. I will have to wait and judge for myself..

If you are in the USA, you will get two remotes: the "smart" frustrating one, and an old-fashioned remote with more buttons than you could ask for.

Samsung added the second remote to the US package after the CNET review, so CNET had not seen it.
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oh, I could see that, considering it's only got like 7 buttons on it. I never really used mine, I've been a harmony user for years and I'm not going back anytime soon

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Yeah, I get that. After re-reading cnet's review, there were some comments made about the F8500 remote not really being DVR friendly. I will have to wait and judge for myself..

Thanks for the info guy's...
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Can someone give me the exact height of the flat panel? I haven't taken it out of the box yet and want to do some measurements for the wall mount location. When I search the web I get several different answers.
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