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I would like to perform a factory reset, however the reset option under the support menu is greyed out???? Is there a way to make this option available?

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I'm thinking on pulling the trigger on a PN51F8500 since there's a sale online for $1,275 plus a free mount, where everywhere else are for 1,800. It's for a bedroom. It's to replace another Samsung entry level plasma F4500, I made sure it's not used or refurbished on the order, But i'll place it before the price go up.
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How much longer can we expect the f8500 to be in stock/available in the US?

I snoozed on the panny plasmas and missed out - worried if I dont pull the trigger soon I'll miss out on the F8500 and just be out of luck as far as plasmas go. I just dont have the funds.

On that note, does anyone know of a retailer that does layaway plans? I figured I could secure one that way, if indeed the stock is expected to dissipate in the near future.
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@ Ryan - you might want to reach out directly to Cleveland Plasma with those questions.
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So I need some help, tried many diff settings, but I'm looking for one to really make hockey and golf look their best, many of these settings seem dark, anyone have a good setting for sports viewing?

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My 60" F8500 has a build date of May 2014, so Samsung was still producing them in May.
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Also twice now my set has randomly reset the settings while viewing, anyone encounter something like this?
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I'm thinking on pulling the trigger on a PN51F8500 since there's a sale online for $1,275 plus a free mount, where everywhere else are for 1,800. It's for a bedroom. It's to replace another Samsung entry level plasma F4500, I made sure it's not used or refurbished on the order, But i'll place it before the price go up.
Make sure your bedroom has AC for the Summer Months if putting a Plasma in there! (Good for the Winter!)
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Hello all, the New York Times reported today that Samsung will shut down its Plasma production by November. It's a shame because this f8500 plasma is the best.


The link to today's New York Times Samsung Plasma End story is

http://nyti.ms/1qsETFE

Anyone wanting to get a Samsung f8500 Plasma TV should do so before the end of November
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How much longer can we expect the f8500 to be in stock/available in the US?

I snoozed on the panny plasmas and missed out - worried if I dont pull the trigger soon I'll miss out on the F8500 and just be out of luck as far as plasmas go. I just dont have the funds.

On that note, does anyone know of a retailer that does layaway plans? I figured I could secure one that way, if indeed the stock is expected to dissipate in the near future.
Give Sears a try
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Plasma display sales tripled in last quarter of 2013. Article also states that, "Plasma televisions are one segment of the growing flat-panel market." Perhaps enough to keep up production? Could you provide a link to your source if possible? Thanks.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/bu...g-screens.html
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My prediction is that LG will be out of the plasma business too within a year. 2014 will be known as the year plasma died.
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Will the Panasonic and Samsung Plasmas be remembered and treasured as the Pioneer Kuro?
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Will the Panasonic and Samsung Plasmas be remembered and treasured as the Pioneer Kuro?
I'm guessing the panny's will be like the 55LHX to the Sharp Elite. those who own one, will keep bringing up how amazing it was. those who never saw one will ignore them... haha


I'm not sure where the f8500 will fit in. imo, it's a pretty different breed from the rest. it has a very different list of things it does well and things it struggles with than the typical plasma. I mean how often do you have to worry about a plasma being too bright and having limited(albeit only vertically) viewing angles?


where as the panny's seemed to challenge the kuro head on, the f8500 tried to be better than the kuro in a different way.


either way. I will remember my f8500 as the tv to beat. until an led can compete with it, led will be 'garbage' in my mind. and when oled can beat it on most/all categories i'll know it's finally matured and worth considering
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Hi guys,

Long time since I've been on this forum (since my last panasonic plasma was bought 5 years ago, has been a terrific TV) and I'm now in the market for a new plasma as I've finished my basement. In the process of building my ultimate "man cave" and am a huge sports fan. I want to stick with plasma based on everything I've read regarding LED's and watching sports. I'm still in the process of hunting around seeing if I can find any panasonic plasmas that are left out there but I'm not having any luck which leads me to the 8500. A couple of quick questions:

1) I've read about the buzzing of these sets, and that the 60 inch models (I'm thinking of going with a 64 inch) are apparently the worst for this, has this improved at all as the manufacturer continues to build them? I feel like buzzing from the TV would drive me insane, but not sure the trade off to LED to get no buzzing is worth it

2) What are the main differences between the F5500 and the F8500 models? I don't care about smart TV or any of those features, my main concerns are picture quality for sports and the buzzing


Any opinions or comments are much appreciated, thanks
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Hi guys,

Long time since I've been on this forum (since my last panasonic plasma was bought 5 years ago, has been a terrific TV) and I'm now in the market for a new plasma as I've finished my basement. In the process of building my ultimate "man cave" and am a huge sports fan. I want to stick with plasma based on everything I've read regarding LED's and watching sports. I'm still in the process of hunting around seeing if I can find any panasonic plasmas that are left out there but I'm not having any luck which leads me to the 8500. A couple of quick questions:

1) I've read about the buzzing of these sets, and that the 60 inch models (I'm thinking of going with a 64 inch) are apparently the worst for this, has this improved at all as the manufacturer continues to build them? I feel like buzzing from the TV would drive me insane, but not sure the trade off to LED to get no buzzing is worth it

2) What are the main differences between the F5500 and the F8500 models? I don't care about smart TV or any of those features, my main concerns are picture quality for sports and the buzzing


Any opinions or comments are much appreciated, thanks
Just got a 60" F8500 4 days ago and there is no buzzing at all. It is WAY WAY better than my panny 50G15> I also watch alot of sports and am very happy with this display.Thought of a H8550 but could not pass the F8500 up. Good luck with your search
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Hi guys,

Long time since I've been on this forum (since my last panasonic plasma was bought 5 years ago, has been a terrific TV) and I'm now in the market for a new plasma as I've finished my basement. In the process of building my ultimate "man cave" and am a huge sports fan. I want to stick with plasma based on everything I've read regarding LED's and watching sports. I'm still in the process of hunting around seeing if I can find any panasonic plasmas that are left out there but I'm not having any luck which leads me to the 8500. A couple of quick questions:

1) I've read about the buzzing of these sets, and that the 60 inch models (I'm thinking of going with a 64 inch) are apparently the worst for this, has this improved at all as the manufacturer continues to build them? I feel like buzzing from the TV would drive me insane, but not sure the trade off to LED to get no buzzing is worth it

2) What are the main differences between the F5500 and the F8500 models? I don't care about smart TV or any of those features, my main concerns are picture quality for sports and the buzzing



Any opinions or comments are much appreciated, thanks
If you dont care about smart features or 3d, the f5300 is what you should be looking at as a budget alternative to the f8500. No first hand experience personally but from what I gather is you get a small increase in black level quality and better performance with higher ambient light w/f8500. It will also calibrate better and yield more accurate color. As with anything, the law of diminishing returns set in and you have to decide if those factors are worth the extra premium. I'm in the same boat as you and I've decided to go the f5300 route ... but, admittedly, if I had the funds I'd go for the f8500.

See more info in this thread: Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014
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If you dont care about smart features or 3d, the f5300 is what you should be looking at as a budget alternative to the f8500. No first hand experience personally but from what I gather is you get a small increase in black level quality and better performance with higher ambient light w/f8500. It will also calibrate better and yield more accurate color. As with anything, the law of diminishing returns set in and you have to decide if those factors are worth the extra premium. I'm in the same boat as you and I've decided to go the f5300 route ... but, admittedly, if I had the funds I'd go for the f8500.

See more info in this thread: Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014

Thanks for the link, very useful thread to read. It's a tough decision because on one hand I can afford the 8500 but don't know if I would even notice the difference between the picture quality of the 5300 and the 8500, but on the other hand I've had my current plasma for 5 years and plan to get another 5 years out of it, so if I were to buy an 8500 and get potentially 10 years out of it then I midaswell spend the extra money and buy the 8500. Plus with the announcement today that this is the last year Samsung will produce plasmas it makes me think what the hell get the 8500 while its still around … it's just the buzzing that concerns me, that is one thing I couldn't live with if I could hear it all the time
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Thanks for the link, very useful thread to read. It's a tough decision because on one hand I can afford the 8500 but don't know if I would even notice the difference between the picture quality of the 5300 and the 8500, but on the other hand I've had my current plasma for 5 years and plan to get another 5 years out of it, so if I were to buy an 8500 and get potentially 10 years out of it then I midaswell spend the extra money and buy the 8500. Plus with the announcement today that this is the last year Samsung will produce plasmas it makes me think what the hell get the 8500 while its still around … it's just the buzzing that concerns me, that is one thing I couldn't live with if I could hear it all the time
my personal experience is that it's much harder to live with underbuying than with overbuying. the only times I've ever had serious buyers remorse is when I didn't buy the best I could afford, and then wished I had.


for example, I bought the f8500, then I upgraded my projector to a jvc x35, now I never use the f8500 for any movies or serious viewing. most of the time it's just used as a pc monitor for my HTPC, and casual tv viewing. part of me thinks I should have just bought an st60 and saved 800bux, or even an s60 and saved even more. but since I'm not hurting for that money(I could afford to spend what I did) I'm still super happy whenever I turn the f8500 on and watch stuff on it. it doesn't remind me of money I don't have, it reminds me of the awesome tv I bought.


on the flip side, my first plasma I bought was a Samsung b530, and from nearly the day I got it home, I was not impressed with it's blacks and overall picture quality. it was neat finally getting 1080p, but I felt like I had wasted all my money buying it, because the RPTV it replaced still provided a better picture to my eyes. in that case, every time I tried to watch a movie, or anything in the dark, it was a constant reminder of how I wasted 1000bux buying a cheap tv, and I would have happily traded the tv in with some more cash to upgrade it. in fact, it was the first tv I owned that I actually 'wanted' to break so I had an excuse to buy a new one.


I learned my lesson, and start shopping form the top down now. I look at the best, and if I can't find anything cheaper that matches its performance, I buy the best. I'd rather buy one great tv every 7yrs than buy a mediocre tv every 2yrs.
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Has anybody shopped at Abe's of Maine and how is the service there?, reason I'm asking is because I ordered a F8500 for a good price, as I'm trying to take advantage before the sale price ends, And how long did you received the item with standard shipping? Were they any issues with this retailer?
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^^that might be the one that doesn't actually sell what they advertise. there's one place(that name sounds familiar) that lists it for a low price, then calls you to tell you it's some grey market product that comes with no warranty, and if you want an 'authorized' product it'll be more money...


search the store name, if nothing pops up it's not the one I was thinking of. there's been several recent queries and horror stories about.
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I've just read reviews of this store, apparently they charge extra for shipping insurance, with delivery fees added seperately with White Glove delivery service, That's false advertising but I also didn't look at the "Additional Shipping Insurance Charges may apply" description next to the advertised price, I don't mind the delivery and insurance charges as long as it's not too much.
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You can find a thread for this retailer in the "Plasma Deals Found" section of the forums.


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How much longer can we expect the f8500 to be in stock/available in the US?
The F5500 where gone without notice, the PN51F8500 was gone without notice, I assume the 60 and 64F8500 will be the same. I have no idea when the last day will be since the models I just listed should have been produced thru Nov. We will see I guess........
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my personal experience is that it's much harder to live with underbuying than with overbuying. the only times I've ever had serious buyers remorse is when I didn't buy the best I could afford, and then wished I had.


for example, I bought the f8500, then I upgraded my projector to a jvc x35, now I never use the f8500 for any movies or serious viewing. most of the time it's just used as a pc monitor for my HTPC, and casual tv viewing. part of me thinks I should have just bought an st60 and saved 800bux, or even an s60 and saved even more. but since I'm not hurting for that money(I could afford to spend what I did) I'm still super happy whenever I turn the f8500 on and watch stuff on it. it doesn't remind me of money I don't have, it reminds me of the awesome tv I bought.


on the flip side, my first plasma I bought was a Samsung b530, and from nearly the day I got it home, I was not impressed with it's blacks and overall picture quality. it was neat finally getting 1080p, but I felt like I had wasted all my money buying it, because the RPTV it replaced still provided a better picture to my eyes. in that case, every time I tried to watch a movie, or anything in the dark, it was a constant reminder of how I wasted 1000bux buying a cheap tv, and I would have happily traded the tv in with some more cash to upgrade it. in fact, it was the first tv I owned that I actually 'wanted' to break so I had an excuse to buy a new one.


I learned my lesson, and start shopping form the top down now. I look at the best, and if I can't find anything cheaper that matches its performance, I buy the best. I'd rather buy one great tv every 7yrs than buy a mediocre tv every 2yrs.
Great points. I think I've made my decision to go with the 8500, I'm sure 5 years from now I'll look back and be happy I went with it now that plasma is on it's last leg. Going to go price hunting tonight and see what places have it in stock
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the PN51F8500 was gone without notice...
There sure seem to be an awful lot of retailers with inventory of them for it to be considered "gone".
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Hello Plasma People!

I currently have a Sony XBR8 that appears to be dying. Over the past few months it has developed these horizontal lines. I posted some pictures in this thread:
Official Sony XBR8 Series Owner's Thread
I'm looking for a replacement, and thought I might be able to get a good deal on one of these Samsungs. Whether valid or not, I always steered clear of plasmas due to lighting conditions in my room, and being an avid gamer, and having concerns of burn in/image retention and lag.

Can any of you comment on how this TV fares in these areas? I'm sure more than a few of you are gaming it up on this TV with PS3, PS4, 360, XBone. Also, any general comments on this model's/Samsung's durability from a longevity/quality standpoint. Although, I didn't pay MSRP for the XBR8 when I bought it, I guess about 6 years ago now, it was still considerable, and I don't really want to spend $5K plus for the a top tier 4K TV. $2 - 3K would be ideal.

I'd like to give plasma a more thorough evaluation before researching further on the LCD front. I'd like to upgrade from the 55 to a 65, and cost on a 65, 4K seems up there at the moment, whether Sony or Samsung. I might be able to get a 65" 1080P LCD for a decent price, but wanted to evaluate this plasma model first.

Thanks in advance for any advice, and excuse me if I rambled above...trying to type this quickly at lunch, here at work.
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Hello Plasma People!

I currently have a Sony XBR8 that appears to be dying. Over the past few months it has developed these horizontal lines. I posted some pictures in this thread:
Official Sony XBR8 Series Owner's Thread
I'm looking for a replacement, and thought I might be able to get a good deal on one of these Samsungs. Whether valid or not, I always steered clear of plasmas due to lighting conditions in my room, and being an avid gamer, and having concerns of burn in/image retention and lag.

Can any of you comment on how this TV fares in these areas? I'm sure more than a few of you are gaming it up on this TV with PS3, PS4, 360, XBone. Also, any general comments on this model's/Samsung's durability from a longevity/quality standpoint. Although, I didn't pay MSRP for the XBR8 when I bought it, I guess about 6 years ago now, it was still considerable, and I don't really want to spend $5K plus for the a top tier 4K TV. $2 - 3K would be ideal.

I'd like to give plasma a more thorough evaluation before researching further on the LCD front. I'd like to upgrade from the 55 to a 65, and cost on a 65, 4K seems up there at the moment, whether Sony or Samsung. I might be able to get a 65" 1080P LCD for a decent price, but wanted to evaluate this plasma model first.

Thanks in advance for any advice, and excuse me if I rambled above...trying to type this quickly at lunch, here at work.
IR: super super minimal from my experience. I routinely surf the web for hours at a time with mine. gaming with HUD's isn't even an afterthought for me. basically I turn it off when I leave the room for more than 10mins(or don't pause the image the screen) and just use it as much as possible(the more it's used for different things the less chance of IR remaining).


GAMING: great, great image. however, 120ms of input lag makes using it without turning on game mode pretty annoying even for some casual gaming. turning on game mode brings it down to around 60-70ms iirc. it's playable for me. turning on PC mode(renaming input to PC) drops it down to a pretty good ~45ms. the only issue is that you lose most picture settings with PC, so the overall image isn't quite as accurate. it's still awesome, it still has great blacks and contrast, and motion, and all that stuff. you just lose out on color management and you're not able to use the 'movie' setting.


LIGHTING: the f8500 has one of the best filters on the market. it's also insanely bright. I do not see many situations where an lcd would look good, and the f8500 would not. in fact, I'd say there's a better chance of the lcd looking too reflective and dim. the only issue worth mentioning is it does have an aggressive 'louvre' filter. so vertical viewing angles are limited by plasma standards. it shouldn't be an issue for most ppl.


my opinion, if you will at any time watch stuff in the dark. go for the f8500. it's really fantastic in a bright room, but it's not going to be noticeably better until you watch in a dark room. they it'll blow away the lcd competition. if you will never watch in the dark, then maybe stick with a good sony lcd. they have some models with much lower input lag, but still offer great bright room performance. in that situation, the reduced input lag, and 100% worry free use(even though IR is rarely an issue, it is something you think about) may be more important. personally, I would not consider a Samsung lcd. even in dim lighting conditions the screen uniformity drives me nuts.
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Thanks for the reply fierce!

I'm not sure what to think about the IR. The TV would definitely get a lot of varied usage during the day. I do most of my gaming at night, so there have been many occasions where I have fallen asleep surfing the web before a gaming session, or just straight up falling asleep before shutting everything off. I'd maybe just have to switch to the cable box, or shut off if I am feeling tired.

120 ms of lag seems huge, especially for online shooters. I currently switch to game mode for all online shooting games or anything wher input lag is noticeable. The occasional racing game seems to benefit from this as well. I think the 45 ms for shooters would be good, and maybe the 60-70 for regular gaming.

I saw a youtube video which didn't seem too bad from a reflection standpoint, but it's so hard to tell from a video. I might have to try to find one of these in a store and see what the reflections look like. I don't have any vertical concerns, maybe some side to side seating concerns, but that's where plasma exceeds lcd, correct?

Most of my alone time viewing/gaming is at night, so a good night performer works for me.

I'll try and find one of these bad boys in the store and check it out.

Anyone else have any additional thoughts?
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Guys I bought the 64 inch F8500 tonight and all I can say is WOW. I didn't know anything different from my 5 year old panasonic plasma and the difference with this set is immediately noticeable. In terms of buzzing noise I hear a light buzzing sound with the audio muted, but it doesn't sound much different from what I used to hear with my old 50 inch panasonic. With the sound on I don't hear anything. I asked the guy at the store who told me he'd be selling Tv's for the last 10 years and he told me he hasn't had anyone return a set due to excessive buzzing, so maybe elevation does have something to do with it? I have no idea but so far I am loving this set and I've only watched for a couple hours.


Now for my question. Can someone point me towards a thread that will explain how to break the TV in? I believe I download slides and run them for X hours? How many hours should I run the break in slides?

In terms of settings I've got it on standard right now with no changes, I'll hunt through this massive thread for any settings suggestions. If there are any threads out there with good setting suggestions specifically for sports I'd really appreciate it.

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