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Hey wxman - how would you compare the 5020fd to the Samsung 8500? (Blacks, detail, color representation, overall PQ, and operation) I love my 5020fd, but a newer, larger tv is needed for a larger room.

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5020 has slightly better blacks, but F8500 has better color and pop than the 5020, even after both have been calibrated.
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I've only had my PN64F8500 for a couple of weeks, but I have not observed this anomaly. I have both of those Blu's, so I will spot check them and let you know. So far, I think the 3D on the 8500 is fantastic! Even torture discs like Hugo look superb. I'm coming off a Sammy UN60ES8000, and the plasma completely blows it away. The LED display had tons of cross-talk and perpetually fuzzy backgrounds. From what I read, this was a problem on the 60 inch model, but did not affect the 55 and 65 inch TVs, since the 60 uses a non-Samsung (outsourced) panel. In any event, the 8500 is such a monumental improvement that I am hard-pressed to think there are too many better options out there for 3D. I'm zeroing in on close to 100 3D Blu-rays in my collection, so, yeah, I watch a lot of it. I have no reservations about recommending the 8500 for fans of 3D.
Has this been confirmed by Samsung? I don't understand why Samsung would outsource a panel for their flagship plasma especially since they make panels themselves. Do you have a link to where you read about this?
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Thanks! So a worthy upgrade?

Truth be told, I never loved the Panasonic VT or ZT panels, something about their color seems too green or had a slight tint. The blues and overall color on the 8500 seem a lot closer to the Kuros, but the whites are just stunning.
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Has this been confirmed by Samsung? I don't understand why Samsung would outsource a panel for their flagship plasma especially since they make panels themselves. Do you have a link to where you read about this?

He was referring to the LCD having a different panel, not the F8500
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He was referring to the LCD having a different panel, not the F8500
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Looking back at the post I can see where I misread that. However my question still has validity. Why would Samsung need to outsource LCD panels when they make their own? I just find that odd because 8000 series LCD was also their flagship.
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Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Looking back at the post I can see where I misread that. However my question still has validity. Why would Samsung need to outsource LCD panels when they make their own? I just find that odd because 8000 series LCD was also their flagship.
I agree, Dan. It is odd, but it appears to be true. This was discussed at length in the ES8000 thread, where it was eventually confirmed. I think this had to do with the capabilities of the Samaung manufacturing plants. For some reason, they were not ramped up to produce a 60" panel. IIRC, this came up initially due to the degraded (compared to the 55" and 65") 3D performance of the TV. I'll see if I can find one or two of the pertinent posts...
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Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Looking back at the post I can see where I misread that. However my question still has validity. Why would Samsung need to outsource LCD panels when they make their own? I just find that odd because 8000 series LCD was also their flagship.

Almost all LCD manufacturers outsource panels these days even their flagship models. What it comes down to I think is it's cheaper to buy the panel then R&D and produce one. Samsung, Sony and I think Sharp may mix and match (use their own and others panels.
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Almost all LCD manufacturers outsource panels these days even their flagship models. What it comes down to I think is it's cheaper to buy the panel then R&D and produce one. Samsung, Sony and I think Sharp may mix and match (use their own and others panels.
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I agree, Dan. It is odd, but it appears to be true. This was discussed at length in the ES8000 thread, where it was eventually confirmed. I think this had to do with the capabilities of the Samaung manufacturing plants. For some reason, they were not ramped up to produce a 60" panel. IIRC, this came up initially due to the degraded (compared to the 55" and 65") 3D performance of the TV. I'll see if I can find one or two of the pertinent posts...
Well thanks for clarifying this you guys. Not trying to sound naive. I just expected a company that makes screens for other companies (such as Samsung producing screens for Apple's computers) wouldn't stand for anything but their own parts in their own products. Makes sense after you guys explained it. I have the Samsung PN64F8500 that I just purchased and took delivery of under 2 weeks ago with a June 2014 build date. Is it safe to assume my TV has a Samsung panel? If not, I'm fine with it. The PQ and screen uniformity is suburb however.
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My PN64F8500 is about two week old, too, and like yours, it has a June 2014 build date. The 64" model definitely uses a Samsung manufactured panel.
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So how bad is the gaming lag? I have a 60" KRP-600M that I moved up to my living room in order to get a bigger set in my man cave. I went with the 65X900B 4K Sony initially, didn't have dark enough blacks and now am on my second 65X950B. The first 950B I should have kept, as it just had corner backlight bleed, the grey uniformity is bad on the set I have now and has a few other issues. For a $6500 TV I am not happy, I am thinking about returning it and sitting on the 4K sidelines for a few months. I am looking at either the 64F8500 or Panasonic 65 VT60. TV is in a mostly dark, light controlled room and I play games on it and watch movies and sports.

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Is more preferred than the other? Does it depend on what you plan on doing with your TV? Ie, is it better to have judder when watching sports than motion blur?

You're not going to find a better TV that handles motion better or has better video processing than the F8500. Yes, LCD televisions may have better judder but it has been my experience you have to engage frame interpolation (SOE) to smooth out judder. i.e., everything has a soap opera effect. Motion, moving resolution and maintaining a crisp as possible picture from weak sources are strengths of this TV.

As far input lag, that may be a problem and you may want to look into Sony televisions or the upcoming Vizio P series if that's a real high priority for you. As for abnormal buzzing, that seems to be a crapshoot for plasmas. I have no proof but I have a suspicion the more rocky the television's trip from the plant to your residence the higher the chances of a plasma having abnormal buzzing.

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So how bad is the gaming lag? I have a 60" KRP-600M that I moved up to my living room in order to get a bigger set in my man cave. I went with the 65X900B 4K Sony initially, didn't have dark enough blacks and now am on my second 65X950B. The first 950B I should have kept, as it just had corner backlight bleed, the grey uniformity is bad on the set I have now and has a few other issues. For a $6500 TV I am not happy, I am thinking about returning it and sitting on the 4K sidelines for a few months. I am looking at either the 64F8500 or Panasonic 65 VT60. TV is in a mostly dark, light controlled room and I play games on it and watch movies and sports.

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I've answered this on a previous page. The lag is decent/non-distracting in Game mode. Keep in mind that the Bodnar LagTester is pretty hard on Plasmas because of how the image is rendered, so a Plasma scoring ~60 plays like an LCD scoring more like ~50 or less. Honestly, most people at 60ms can't really feel the lag anyway. It'll do for all but pro FPS players.
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So how bad is the gaming lag? I have a 60" KRP-600M that I moved up to my living room in order to get a bigger set in my man cave. I went with the 65X900B 4K Sony initially, didn't have dark enough blacks and now am on my second 65X950B. The first 950B I should have kept, as it just had corner backlight bleed, the grey uniformity is bad on the set I have now and has a few other issues. For a $6500 TV I am not happy, I am thinking about returning it and sitting on the 4K sidelines for a few months. I am looking at either the 64F8500 or Panasonic 65 VT60. TV is in a mostly dark, light controlled room and I play games on it and watch movies and sports.

Thanks,

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I'm assuming you know the VT60 has been discontinued and you're willing to pay the much higher MSRP. I mention this only because you said you have a light controlled room but you may want to also consider the H5000.

This review has both the cons and pros: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/pn64h...1403143657.htm

My apologies if you're already aware of this model.

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Well thanks for clarifying this you guys. Not trying to sound naive. I just expected a company that makes screens for other companies (such as Samsung producing screens for Apple's computers) wouldn't stand for anything but their own parts in their own products. Makes sense after you guys explained it. I have the Samsung PN64F8500 that I just purchased and took delivery of under 2 weeks ago with a June 2014 build date. Is it safe to assume my TV has a Samsung panel? If not, I'm fine with it. The PQ and screen uniformity is suburb however.

As far as I know plasma sets are not outsourced by any company.
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I'm ready to pull this trigger on this display, but I just need some reassurance that it will be OK during the day in a room with some light coming in through a tall sliding window. The set will be in a depression in a wall, but will definitely be getting hit by some outside light.

I thought about waiting around for the Vizio P series or grabbing a higher end Samsung LED, but it seems like the general consensus is the f8500 if at all possible. Most viewing is at night, but for weekend sports, I would like for this not to be too big of an issue.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Need some quick advice everyone. Have the 64" set in my cart at EastCoastTVs after I called them and they told me that in order to schedule a specific day/time for delivery I have to go with the "express white glove" delivery which itself is another $239. The total price is still really good for the entire package (no tax in NY), but i feel kind of silly spending $239 just to schedule a day for delivery. They wouldn't budge on that price over the phone. Is it worth the price?

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I'm ready to pull this trigger on this display, but I just need some reassurance that it will be OK during the day in a room with some light coming in through a tall sliding window. The set will be in a depression in a wall, but will definitely be getting hit by some outside light.

I thought about waiting around for the Vizio P series or grabbing a higher end Samsung LED, but it seems like the general consensus is the f8500 if at all possible. Most viewing is at night, but for weekend sports, I would like for this not to be too big of an issue.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

If you have sunlight hitting the TV it wouldn't matter which one you chose. No TV really does well with direct sunlight. If you can draw shades or something it would probably be better for you.
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Need some quick advice everyone. Have the 64" set in my cart at EastCoastTVs after I called them and they told me that in order to schedule a specific day/time for delivery I have to go with the "express white glove" delivery which itself is another $239. The total price is still really good for the entire package (no tax in NY), but i feel kind of silly spending $239 just to schedule a day for delivery. They wouldn't budge on that price over the phone. Is it worth the price?

Are you kidding me? That's highway robbery. $239 to hand carry a tv into your home...what about set-up, connections, mounting???
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I'm ready to pull this trigger on this display, but I just need some reassurance that it will be OK during the day in a room with some light coming in through a tall sliding window. The set will be in a depression in a wall, but will definitely be getting hit by some outside light.

I thought about waiting around for the Vizio P series or grabbing a higher end Samsung LED, but it seems like the general consensus is the f8500 if at all possible. Most viewing is at night, but for weekend sports, I would like for this not to be too big of an issue.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
it handles light hitting the screen extremely well. as good as the better led's I've seen.


where it(and every other good tv) still has issues is with direct reflections. if you can see the reflection of the window in the screen from your viewing spot, it won't handle that well. but having sunlight hit the screen, and then get reflected off away from the viewing area should still be ok.

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Need some quick advice everyone. Have the 64" set in my cart at EastCoastTVs after I called them and they told me that in order to schedule a specific day/time for delivery I have to go with the "express white glove" delivery which itself is another $239. The total price is still really good for the entire package (no tax in NY), but i feel kind of silly spending $239 just to schedule a day for delivery. They wouldn't budge on that price over the phone. Is it worth the price?
Their whole racket is the up-sell and up-charge. Caveat emptor.
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everyone here seems mostly happy with their f8500. I am in the market for a new TV (replacing an older panny plasma 54") and am shopping the 64f8500 vs 65f8000 vs new Vizio M702b3.

Is everyone still happy with their f8500? If you had to buy a new TV today, would it still be the 8500?

Early reviews on the new M series are very good, but im not sure im ready to make the jump to LED. Not looking for you guys to sell me, just curious your up to date feelings on the unit.

Thanks in advance!
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everyone here seems mostly happy with their f8500. I am in the market for a new TV (replacing an older panny plasma 54") and am shopping the 64f8500 vs 65f8000 vs new Vizio M702b3.

Is everyone still happy with their f8500? If you had to buy a new TV today, would it still be the 8500?

Early reviews on the new M series are very good, but im not sure im ready to make the jump to LED. Not looking for you guys to sell me, just curious your up to date feelings on the unit.

Thanks in advance!
I have had my F8500 since January. Still happy with it. If I was looking today, F8500 or an OLED would be tops on my list.
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I'm glad it worked out for you! The AVS forum is your friend. There are multiple F8500 threads here, and they are chock full of great information. It's not always easy to find the answer to a question, but I am a big fan of the "search" function.

Enjoy your TV...it's a superb model!
I searched I swear! I kept looking for combinations of color/temperature/etc.

Brightness pops didn't strike me.....
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What's the story with the "panel lottery" for this TV? Do some people have F8500s with panels made by AU Optronics while others have actual Samsung panels?
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What's the story with the "panel lottery" for this TV? Do some people have F8500s with panels made by AU Optronics while others have actual Samsung panels?
there is no panel lottery, this is a plasma, AU makes lcd's

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everyone here seems mostly happy with their f8500. I am in the market for a new TV (replacing an older panny plasma 54") and am shopping the 64f8500 vs 65f8000 vs new Vizio M702b3.

Is everyone still happy with their f8500? If you had to buy a new TV today, would it still be the 8500?

Early reviews on the new M series are very good, but im not sure im ready to make the jump to LED. Not looking for you guys to sell me, just curious your up to date feelings on the unit.

Thanks in advance!
the only thing I'd consider instead, would be a flat oled. I'm happy with the f8500 in all regards except I still crave deeper blacks(until they are 'off' black, this will be the case for me).


I have never seen an edgelit LED that was suitable to me, good FALD sets are more money than the f8500 anyway.


I don't know anything about the vizio mentioned, but the f8000 wasn't even in the same ballpark as the f8500 when I saw them side by side on the showroom floor last year. the BRIGHT showroom floor no less.

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there is no panel lottery, this is a plasma, AU makes lcd's
So then the people at EastCoastTVs blatantly lied to me over the phone.

I placed the order for the 64" and a rep called saying they just got some "Samsung Panel" versions of this TV in and it would be another $400. I looked at prices online and their price was still about $500 better (not $900) than if I had gone to best buy and bought one off the shelf. He knew it was a plasma immediately when I was talking with him; it's not like he mistook this order for an LCD TV.

They even sent me a new confirmation email with the item listed as Samsung 64F8500 *Samsung Panel*. He told me to google "samsung panel lottery". Basically, he said paying the additional $400 over their online price for this TV ensured I got one with a panel made by Samsung not AU Optronics. He said I could tell the difference by "US01" being listed on the box near the model number -- he said that meant it was a Samsung panel.

I really hate that i got lied to, but maybe i shouldn't mind too much since their price is still much better than Best Buy/Amazon (I'm still saving $550 off the BestBuy/Amazon price)

Meh.

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They give the same talk about 2013 vs 2014 panels. Knowing the only difference is the manufacturing date. It's an easy way for them to up sell to those who don't know any better.
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They give the same talk about 2013 vs 2014 panels. Knowing the only difference is the manufacturing date. It's an easy way for them to up sell to those who don't know any better.
I'll say it out loud: I'd eat the $500 on principle. If I have to navigate dishonest and sleazy salesmen to get the better price, I won't give them the business.
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