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The F8500 is better than the VT30 hands down. There isn't a contest there.

Waaayyyyy brighter even if the recent firmware reduced brightness down to 50 ftl. The VT30 barely gets past 30 ftl.

Low black levels even when they float on the f8500 ( you'd be hard pressed to notice since they change when apl rises ) 0.002 to 0.004 ftl.

VT30 has rising blacks...and severe red push

Probably more accurate colour

Wayyyyy better light filter ( blacks will look inky black in bright rooms and still dark in low light rooms )

The F8500 is a no brainer. Buy it
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Thanks for the response. Overall brightness isn't a big concern for me - my VT30 is calibrated at 40 fl day mode and 35 fl night mode and blacks measure at .0045 mll - no rising blacks. I would like the better daytime filter so blacks would hold up, but the one thing holding me back is how much difference will I see between .0045 and .0025?
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FYI....All VT30s had rising blacks. I think D-nice confirmed this from his experience with them in the field. Surprised you got 40 ftl in day mode....2011 shootout the pros said the vt30 maxed out at 32-33 ftl

Anyways, the F8500 would be miles higher than the VT30. In the dark, the diff will be noticeable. Less glow in dark scenes. thats about it
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Thanks for the input though. I'm going to make a decision in the next week. I will either get this set or wait for OLED.
"One reason I am very hesistant to purchase a 2013 Panasonic is because of this issue and the fact D-Nice has found the VT30 doubled in MLL over time (at 2500 hours if I recall)."

That one fella remembers D-nice saying this as well. Maybe your VT30 hasn't reached 2500 hours but it mll will rise eventually.

Trust me the F8500 will be worlds better than the VT30.


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I'm new to this thread as I will be receiving my f8500 tomorrow. Where can I find these "Break In" slides that you mention? Any other thing I should know about getting this baby up and running the correct way? Anyone using aftermarket power cords on this TV?
Welcome! The slides are easy to run just follow the directions; not sure if I can post the link but Google search "evangelo slides" and it's the first link.

Download zip and extract, copy to USB drive, plug drive into TV, run as a slideshow on slow setting.

As for break-in settings I'm playing it extra safe cause I dropped almost $4k so I am using Movie mode and turned contrast, brightness, sharpness all to like 50 for the first 200 hours. Oh and "Cell light" to 12-14. The funny thing is it still looks better than the H7150 I had for a few days. Not gonna lie, I ran a few Blu-Rays and TV on OOB settings to see what it can do lol Can't wait till 200 hours are up.....
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Welcome! The slides are easy to run just follow the directions; not sure if I can post the link but Google search "evangelo slides" and it's the first link.

Download zip and extract, copy to USB drive, plug drive into TV, run as a slideshow on slow setting.

As for break-in settings I'm playing it extra safe cause I dropped almost $4k so I am using Movie mode and turned contrast, brightness, sharpness all to like 50 for the first 200 hours. Oh and "Cell light" to 12-14. The funny thing is it still looks better than the H7150 I had for a few days. Not gonna lie, I ran a few Blu-Rays and TV on OOB settings to see what it can do lol Can't wait till 200 hours are up.....
Oh and most importantly when playing 16:9 or 4:3 content make sure to zoom in so the black bars are not showing. And when watching network television zoom in on channels that have the network's logo on bottom right/left like CNN, Food Network, ESPN etc. This 'should' help prevent burn-in and IR when the phosphors are shining brightest on the set.
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I got the PN64F8500 delivered last weekend. My retailer only had the floor model left, & I made sure it there was no burn-in. Got a great deal too. He said it was on display since Jan 2014, & guessed it had around 1500 hours of use. TV was made in March 2013 according to the sticker on back of TV.

I wanted to see how many hours of use it really had. Since I'm in Canada it only came with the small Smart TV remote. I tried inputting the Mute 7-3-7-ENTER code to look at the MRT value, with a old RCA universal remote & my Yamaha receiver remote. I can't seem to get the code to work. Looks like the TV was updated in the store cause it has the latest firmware of 1120 on it.

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I got the PN64F8500 delivered last weekend. My retailer only had the floor model left, & I made sure it there was no burn-in. Got a great deal too. He said it was on display since Jan 2014, & guessed it had around 1500 hours of use. TV was made in March 2013 according to the sticker on back of TV.

I wanted to see how many hours of use it really had. Since I'm in Canada it only came with the small Smart TV remote. I tried inputting the Mute 7-3-7-ENTER code to look at the MRT value, with a old RCA universal remote & my Yamaha receiver remote. I can't seem to get the code to work. Looks like the TV was updated in the store cause it has the latest firmware of 1120 on it.

Any ideas? Thanks.
Order a regular remote off of ebay or Amazon. They're not that expensive.
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Thanks, I just got it to work. It's hitting Enter that doesn't work on the universal remote. So I hit Mute - 7 - 3 - 7 on universal remote & then click the touch pad on the smart remote. Worked & my MRT was 1444. My retailer told me the truth which is refreshing. Thanks.

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Does anyone have a pic of the F8500 displaying a full field of black in a darkened environment? I'm interested to see how much plasma glow it has. I would greatly appreciate it!

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Does anyone have a pic of the F8500 displaying a full field of black in a darkened environment? I'm interested to see how much plasma glow it has. I would greatly appreciate it!

This may be pointless due to the compression and camera as well as camera settings. Any light picked up by the camera in a dark room would also be exaggerated unless the picture was taken with a good manual setting and a set exposure level. Even then it wouldn't be that accurate.

It may be better to ask if someone has a comparison between two sets to give you a better idea.


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Does anyone have a pic of the F8500 displaying a full field of black in a darkened environment? I'm interested to see how much plasma glow it has. I would greatly appreciate it!
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This may be pointless due to the compression and camera as well as camera settings. Any light picked up by the camera in a dark room would also be exaggerated unless the picture was taken with a good manual setting and a set exposure level. Even then it wouldn't be that accurate.

It may be better to ask if someone has a comparison between two sets to give you a better idea.


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Great point! I would take a comparison between it and any plasma. Just curious.

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Great point! I would take a comparison between it and any plasma. Just curious.

That would defeat the purpose unless you've seen said comparison set in a dark room if you go back a few pages in this thread or the other F8500 thread there is a comparison shot made of the f8500 and another older plasma in a darkens room with a dark image picture being shown.

Unfortunately they haven't implemented the gallery feature yet to make the photos in a thread easily accessible.


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That would defeat the purpose unless you've seen said comparison set in a dark room if you go back a few pages in this thread or the other F8500 thread there is a comparison shot made of the f8500 and another older plasma in a darkens room with a dark image picture being shown.

Unfortunately they haven't implemented the gallery feature yet to make the photos in a thread easily accessible.


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Sure, it's flawed by design, but better than what I have now....nothing. I would prefer to see the set in person in a darkened environment, but that won't happen. I'm hesitant to purchase until I can gauge how dark it is, because if I purchase this set, I'm locked in for a few years.

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Sure, it's flawed by design, but better than what I have now....nothing. I would prefer to see the set in person in a darkened environment, but that won't happen. I'm hesitant to purchase until I can gauge how dark it is, because if I purchase this set, I'm locked in for a few years.

My point was compare to what you had, much easier to get a visual comparison then. If someone tells you there is glow but it's better than the LG Plasma but worse than a ZT60 without knowledge of what each looks like the comparison would not do you any good just trying to save you from disappointment or holding off buying because of certain reports


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Any owners using a Samsung BD-H6500 BluRay player with this display?

Perhaps I misremembered.

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Just remember, the Plasma Glow fades as you put on the hours of usage. Allow a full 1000 hours. Will probably start to notice around 500 hours.
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My point was compare to what you had, much easier to get a visual comparison then. If someone tells you there is glow but it's better than the LG Plasma but worse than a ZT60 without knowledge of what each looks like the comparison would not do you any good just trying to save you from disappointment or holding off buying because of certain reports


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True. This is an interesting position, buy one of the greatest plasmas ever made or hold onto my trusty VT30 until OLED takes off and is affordable - if it ever does. I kept telling myself the shootout would give me the answer, but now the situation is more convoluted.

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True. This is an interesting position, buy one of the greatest plasmas ever made or hold onto my trusty VT30 until OLED takes off and is affordable - if it ever does. I kept telling myself the shootout would give me the answer, but now the situation is more convoluted.
Tom my advise quit procrastenating (spelling) en go buy the set. It has no use watching youre blacks keep getting lighter as youre VT-30 gets older.

You wont be disapointed, and the good thing is you can still get one now maybe in a month you will be kicking yourselve cause they are all gone.
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Can anyone tell me if my Comcast remote for my DVR's can be programed to control the basic operations, such as power, volume, switch inputs on the F8500.
I had no problem doing so with a new Samsung 22 LED I picked up a months. I ago also using a Comcast DVR with the 22" Basic controls work fine..

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Any owners using a Samsung BD-H6500 BluRay player with this display?
Why do you ask? That was the exact player I was going to purchase after my last player was KIA during a lighting storm. It received great reviews and supposedly has great image production.
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Why do you ask? That was the exact player I was going to purchase after my last player was KIA during a lighting storm. It received great reviews and supposedly has great image production.
I just ordered one to match up with my yet to be delivered 64F8500.
I was looking for confirmation and a pat on the back that I ordered a quality Blu-ray player.

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Can anyone tell me if my Comcast remote for my DVR's can be programed to control the basic operations, such as power, volume, switch inputs on the F8500.
I had no problem doing so with a new Samsung 22 LED I picked up a months. I ago also using a Comcast DVR with the 22" Basic controls work fine..

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I can at least confirm the IR codes are the same on the F8500 as they were on my C8000. I would assume that Samsung hasn't changed the Power and Switching IR codes in quite some time so you just need to find a compatible Samsung model.
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I just ordered one to match up with my yet to be delivered 64F8500.
I was looking for confirmation and a pat on the back that I ordered a quality Blu-ray player.
Quality Blu-Ray player would only be Oppo BDP-103 or 103D there's no comparison. Do some searches and read some reviews I think you'll agree.
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Quality Blu-Ray player would only be Oppo BDP-103 or 103D there's no comparison. Do some searches and read some reviews I think you'll agree.
I know all about Oppo Blu-ray players, I own one and I don't need to do anymore research. Thank you.
My original post was asking whether any members have the Samsung. Thanks again.

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I stated it this way(to myself) when I compared the two
the f8500 is better than the f8000 at some things
the f8000 is as good as the f8500 at the rest
in no situation, was the f8000 better than the f8500


now, you may have different situations(well I know you do), but I still feel this is close to accurate. the f8500 really is like an LED without any of the led drawbacks. if you could make an LED tv with perfect uniformity, great viewing angles, and one dimming zone per pixel, you'd basically end up with an f8500 that uses less energy.


I would still recommend the f8500 over the f8000 in your situation. I'd just add that I'd want to do something about that picture window either way. blinds can go along way for daytime viewing
I did it, took the F8000 back, the F8500 is sitting in the box in my living room!
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I was excited received my PN60F8500 yesterday morning. That excitement turned into concern when I heard the buzzing sound after I turned it on. It's much louder than I had expected. It's clearly audible from my couch 12' away. It's not limited to bright scenes. It's there when there's nothing on screen but the menu and a black background

I've scoured the Internet and this forum for discussions on the buzzing. I can't find anything that really puts my mind at ease. Some seem to suggest that it will decrease after use. I've been running the color patterns most of yesterday and all night.

I'm uncertain about what to do. I'm not sure I can live with the buzzing noise regardless of the picture quality. Should I try to return this and get an LED TV instead, or is there a general consensus that it will diminish or stop after I've used it for a while?
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I was excited received my PN60F8500 yesterday morning. That excitement turned into concern when I heard the buzzing sound after I turned it on. It's much louder than I had expected. It's clearly audible from my couch 12' away. It's not limited to bright scenes. It's there when there's nothing on screen but the menu and a black background

I've scoured the Internet and this forum for discussions on the buzzing. I can't find anything that really puts my mind at ease. Some seem to suggest that it will decrease after use. I've been running the color patterns most of yesterday and all night.

I'm uncertain about what to do. I'm not sure I can live with the buzzing noise regardless of the picture quality. Should I try to return this and get an LED TV instead, or is there a general consensus that it will diminish or stop after I've used it for a while?
I have the 60" too and noticed the buzzing early on. I have about 3-4 months of everyday use and i can barely even notice the buzz. It has lessened to the point of almost non-existant. just my 2 cents.

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depends if 60-70ms of lag is ok with your or not.


PC mode will drop it even further, and is the setting I would recommend for gaming personally.

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I have the 60" too and noticed the buzzing early on. I have about 3-4 months of everyday use and i can barely even notice the buzz. It has lessened to the point of almost non-existant. just my 2 cents.
Thanks. I will try to be patient as I wait for the noise to go away.
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