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post #7351 of 12475 Old 08-29-2014, 09:50 PM
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I wonder if the tv's that have loud buzzing actually have a brighter screen? When I made adjustments on my Pioneer 5020, and went into service menu to increase ABL, the buzzing increased dramatically, and so did the brightness of the screen.
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I think we need to end our back-and-forth here because it's not going anywhere; let's agree to disagree, I guess?

I think the buzz issue IS important and should continue to be discussed, if only so prospective buyers of one of the last plasmas ever can be comforted that it's not a big deal for some of us.

There are times my f8500 emits an audible buzzing noise, but very infrequently, and it's easily covered up when it does happen. The Panasonic is basically silent. That's the end of my story.
yeah, I'm not really sure how this ended up being a you vs me thing, I guess you just replied before anybody else...


there's nothing wrong with discussing the buzz. and there's nothing wrong with you stating your f8500 has a more noticeable buzz than your panny. that's useful info.


my post was towards the ppl saying their plasma(any plasma) had ZERO buzz. this isn't really possible, and I'd rather hear from ppl who have the ability to hear the buzz. ie, like what you said in your last post about the panny being quieter than the Samsung, that's useful.


what isn't useful is somebody who can't hear the buzz saying there is no buzz. so, imo, if you can't defect buzz under any circumstance, you are not 'qualified' to comment on it. you should be able to hear it if you try. 'basically silent' is different than silent, and that statement makes me believe the Panasonic is very quiet, as opposed to making me question your hearing.
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Is the F8500 the display that you're trying to calibrate with the i1D3?
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I think the buzz issue IS important and should continue to be discussed, if only so prospective buyers of one of the last plasmas ever can be comforted that it's not a big deal for some of us.
Just play it safe and purchase from a retailer that accepts easy returns/exchanges. And don't feel guilty about doing it. If the F8500's in a retailer's showroom barely make any audible noise, you should expect the same w/ your purchase.
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White Glove Delivery?

Well, after my VT30 died in a lightning storm, my home owner's insurance helped me purchase the 64" F8500! Can't wait to get it!!!

I do have a question about the white glove delivery that I purchased with the TV. I was told that the drivers will unpack the unit and plug it up to make sure it is working properly. However, the white glove delivery states it does not include assembly or installation. Assembly, as I would guess, include putting the stand on the unit. So, if the unit does not have a stand attached, how are they going to check to see if the panel works properly? Have it flat on the floor and plug it in? Am I missing something???
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Well, after my VT30 died in a lightning storm, my home owner's insurance helped me purchase the 64" F8500! Can't wait to get it!!!

I do have a question about the white glove delivery that I purchased with the TV. I was told that the drivers will unpack the unit and plug it up to make sure it is working properly. However, the white glove delivery states it does not include assembly or installation. Assembly, as I would guess, include putting the stand on the unit. So, if the unit does not have a stand attached, how are they going to check to see if the panel works properly? Have it flat on the floor and plug it in? Am I missing something???
All plasmas (at least the ones I have purchased) come in the box standing up. The packing holds them in place. The delivery people just take top off the box leaving the plasma standing erect. They plug it in the wall, turn it on and that's it. If the screen is in tact (meaning no cracks and powers up) and the cabinet shows no damage they ask you to sign and they leave out.

One other thing, white glove delivery does not include the delivery people giving you the extra time to plug up your cable or DirecTV to view a picture.
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its the AnyNet feature of the TV i believe. I replied to this in either this thread or the discussion thread. The tv will switch back to the "TV" mode of your receiver because it thinks thats the proper mode. I programmed an additional command on my Harmony one to switch it back to "Sat" on the receiver at the end of my watchTV activity.

Well, the last time this happened it just stopped on its own. Started switching again this week going from my direct tv input to broadcast input within 30 secs of turning on. I am surprised that only one other person is experiencing this. Aynet has been off but I did toggle it. Must be related to the FW update I did on 7/9. Should I do a factory reset?
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Now I have three plasmas: Kuro 141FD, Panasonic TC-P65ZT60, and Samsung PN64F8500 (delivery next Saturday).

Still very happy with the Kuro, but was worried about everyone exiting the plasma business.

Panasonic has a superb picture, but it also has annoying problems: Panasonic ZT60 and VT60 Fan/Fridge Noise Production Numbers, and My plasma TV causes my subs to hum.

Reading this thread, it sounds like the Samsung has an annoying level of buzz.

Should I have just stuck with the Kuro until it wore out, and then hoped OLED was available by then?

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Reading this thread, it sounds like the Samsung has an annoying level of buzz.
Sometimes, like right now for example; I will run my 64F8500 w/full screen content (typically a movie on Cinemax) w/the sound muted, to combat any possibility of IR.
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There is absolutely no buzzing noise, that I can hear coming from my 6-month-old, w/build date 11/13, F8500.
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Where do I find most answers to questions I have about this TV? The manual is pretty basic.

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I'm watching football and to mess with me my son starts using his phone to play You Tube videos on the Samsung which switches off the football game. Where do I go to figure out how to stop him?
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Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone else has had the issue I'm having.. I'm just around 185 hours of break in and just decided to watch a movie last night with 16:9 aspect ratio and cranked up the cell light to 18 and contrast to like 95.. After the 2 hour movie ended I noticed the WORST IR (from black bars) but I feel like it went away cause I used the scrolling feature for 2 hours. Is it really that bad for plasmas?? When can I watch movies without having this issue?
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Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone else has had the issue I'm having.. I'm just around 185 hours of break in and just decided to watch a movie last night with 16:9 aspect ratio and cranked up the cell light to 18 and contrast to like 95.. After the 2 hour movie ended I noticed the WORST IR (from black bars) but I feel like it went away cause I used the scrolling feature for 2 hours. Is it really that bad for plasmas?? When can I watch movies without having this issue?
The one thing that's barely complained about here in regards to the Samsung plasmas is IR and mainly because the Samsung TV's are very resistant to it. If anything shows up it usually lasts under 1 minute at best. Unlike my Panasonic plasma where if I were watch a Football game it was guaranteed to have the FOX logo in the upper right corner and it usually takes several hours to several days to screen wipe it or watch mixed content to get it go away. I still have some IR right now that's been there for weeks from the NFL network logo.

That being said, your settings were just outrageously high, especially for a night movie. Contrast at 95? Too high. You must have strong eyes because that's very blinding for a movie at night. The cell light is negligible but I never have mine that high. When dealing with Letterbox movies you have to be mindful of your settings. If the cell light and contrast are too high you will get some IR from the black bars but even with your settings it shouldn't have taken 2 hours to remove the IR on the F8500. It's personal preference but I would say around 60-70 on the contrast setting and anywhere from 10-15 on the cell light.

On my Panny I can't even watch CNN or the NFL network more than a hour because the scrolling ticker at the bottom leaves IR and takes way too many days to get rid of it. On my F8500 I can watch these networks for hours and as soon as I change the channel if there is any faint IR it goes away in 1 minute or less. I'm honestly amazed. Just be mindful of your settings depending on the content.
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Where do I find most answers to questions I have about this TV? The manual is pretty basic.

For instance,
I'm watching football and to mess with me my son starts using his phone to play You Tube videos on the Samsung which switches off the football game. Where do I go to figure out how to stop him?
Take his phone away. That will stop him.
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Contrast at 95? Too high. You must have strong eyes because that's very blinding for a movie at night. The cell light is negligible but I never have mine that high. When dealing with Letterbox movies you have to be mindful of your settings. If the cell light and contrast are too high you will get some IR from the black bars but even with your settings it shouldn't have taken 2 hours to remove the IR on the F8500. It's personal preference but I would say around 60-70 on the contrast setting and anywhere from 10-15 on the cell light.
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I'm not sure who to believe anymore about certain 8500 tv settings, but a number of 8500 owners over the past year on this and the 8500 Recommended Settings threads mentioned to leave Contrast at around 95, because lowering it will increase dithering on the picture. If the screen is too bright with that high contrast, then reduce cell light, and of course, brightness.
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Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone else has had the issue I'm having.. I'm just around 185 hours of break in and just decided to watch a movie last night with 16:9 aspect ratio and cranked up the cell light to 18 and contrast to like 95.. After the 2 hour movie ended I noticed the WORST IR (from black bars) but I feel like it went away cause I used the scrolling feature for 2 hours. Is it really that bad for plasmas?? When can I watch movies without having this issue?
Dont worry about it. I have over 1500 hours with a contrast of 95 and cell light of 20. After every blu ray movie i see IR from the black bars an quickly goes away with normal viewing. It will be there after 1 hour of use or after 2000 hours of use. But it goes away. I never run the screen swipe, as regular viewing for 30 minutes to an hour takes care of it.
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Where do I find most answers to questions I have about this TV? The manual is pretty basic.

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I'm watching football and to mess with me my son starts using his phone to play You Tube videos on the Samsung which switches off the football game. Where do I go to figure out how to stop him?
Change your wi-fi password. He won't be able to do this if he can't get on the same network that your TV is on. Make sure he does a couple hours worth of chores before giving him the new password, and be sure to tell him that a single recurrence will result in a new wi-fi password every day, with the same price of admittance.
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I'm not sure who to believe anymore about certain 8500 tv settings, but a number of 8500 owners over the past year on this and the 8500 Recommended Settings threads mentioned to leave Contrast at around 95, because lowering it will increase dithering on the picture. If the screen is too bright with that high contrast, then reduce cell light, and of course, brightness.
Calibrate with a contrast of 95. There is a reason contrast is set at 95 and brightness set at 45 OOTB.
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I'm watching football and to mess with me my son starts using his phone to play You Tube videos on the Samsung which switches off the football game. Where do I go to figure out how to stop him?

Go to "Network" -> "AllShare Settings" -> "Content Sharing". Once you've done that, look for your son's IP address associated with his cell phone on your home network. Select that IP address and change the status from "Allowed" to "Deny".
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I'm not sure who to believe anymore about certain 8500 tv settings, but a number of 8500 owners over the past year on this and the 8500 Recommended Settings threads mentioned to leave Contrast at around 95, because lowering it will increase dithering on the picture. If the screen is too bright with that high contrast, then reduce cell light, and of course, brightness.
I don't see any dithering showing on my F8500. For Movie mode I have contrast at 50 and cell light at 7. I like a natural easy on the eyes picture for night viewing. For Standard I have contrast at 60 and cell light at 9. During the day I keep the drapes open and with plenty of ambient light in the house my Standard settings are still plenty bright. Any amount of IR I get lasts seconds. Too high of contrast will create a more harsh IR leading to a longer recovery time.

Also the OP should check to be sure the Anti-Image Retention is set to ON in Settings.
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^ I just tried those settings on my tv, and suffice to say I'm not using your settings again....wow!! It's horrendous! I can't believe you bought an F8500 and use those cell light/contrast settings to watch programs at night. My eyes were actually straining more with your settings. The picture is so subdued. It's like there's a haze covering the whole screen, like I have cataracts...haha I prefer cell light of 14 and contrast of 95 for night viewing in my pitch black or dimly back-lit room. The picture is much clearer and more lifelike (for me) with my settings. I'd be real curious how many F8500 owners are viewing their tv's at night with your settings...I'm thinking you may be the sole person.
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^ I just tried those settings on my tv, and suffice to say I'm not using your settings again....wow!! It's horrendous! I can't believe you bought an F8500 and use those cell light/contrast settings to watch programs at night. My eyes were actually straining more with your settings. The picture is so subdued. It's like there's a haze covering the whole screen, like I have cataracts...haha I prefer cell light of 14 and contrast of 95 for night viewing in my pitch black or dimly back-lit room. The picture is much clearer and more lifelike (for me) with my settings. I'd be real curious how many F8500 owners are viewing their tv's at night with your settings...I'm thinking you may be the sole person.
WOW! Could you be any more rude? First, I never suggested that YOU use MY settings. I stated earlier to the person asking for help that it's all personal preference. The way I use my TV is MY preference and there's no just cause for you to post something so rude towards another forum member. People come here to help and share ideas, not to personally attack someone. I guess you're the exception.
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^ Sorry sir. Don't take my comments personally. I think you're a very knowledgeable person on this and the other 8500 threads. I've read your posts and you're just as opinionated/argumentative on a lot of 8500 topics as I probably am. From time to time, some of us get "caught up" in a lot of heated debates with other members that lead to unnecessary bickering (moderator comments). Some, more so than others. I'm all for doing what's best for others, and frequently help others on this and other AVS threads. I wasn't trying to be "rude" to you. I was curious about your settings. You've mentioned them from time to time, and I was failing to understand from a "properly calibrated tv" point of view how your settings have any validity, but I see now that these are "your" settings that "you" like, regardless of how poorly calibrated the tv may be. It's your personal preference, not a professionally calibrated preference.
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All plasmas (at least the ones I have purchased) come in the box standing up. The packing holds them in place. The delivery people just take top off the box leaving the plasma standing erect. They plug it in the wall, turn it on and that's it. If the screen is in tact (meaning no cracks and powers up) and the cabinet shows no damage they ask you to sign and they leave out.

One other thing, white glove delivery does not include the delivery people giving you the extra time to plug up your cable or DirecTV to view a picture.
That makes complete sense now. Thanks for the information.

Do I tip the White Glove delivery drivers? Even if they're already doing what I've paid their service to do? I know Lowe's and Home Depot delivery do not except tips, I tried. However, I usually try to tip them if they do something more than what was expected, whether it be great service or helping me move something, etc. I'm just paying so much for the White Glove delivery, I didn't think about the tip until now.

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That makes complete sense now. Thanks for the information.

Do I tip the White Glove delivery drivers? Even if they're already doing what I've paid their service to do? I know Lowe's and Home Depot delivery do not except tips, I tried. However, I usually try to tip them if they do something more than what was expected, whether it be great service or helping me move something, etc. I'm just paying so much for the White Glove delivery, I didn't think about the tip until now.

Thanks again...
I will say this, I didn't tip the delivery company. I read a couple of people here have so it's definitely your call. Some of the stores use an outside delivery company and the drivers will accept a tip if you offer. Companies, like you've mentioned, such as Home Depot deliver their products themselves so they may monitor their employees or secret shop them to make sure they are not accepting tips on deliveries.

It basically depends on how the delivery guys treat you. If they go the extra mile outside of what's considered "white glove", such as installing the metal stand for the TV and placing it where you want then sure, tip them $10 or so but for the normal white glove such as, take the box top off, plug the TV in and verify no damage then ask you to sign and then they leave. Meh, I wouldn't bother. They are still getting paid for delivering it to you.
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I always tip delivery guys a twenty. I can afford it, so why not? It brightens their day.

The guys who delivered my f8500 didn't even unbox it, they just carried it downstairs. That's not something I would have wanted to do myself.
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I don't see any dithering showing on my F8500. For Movie mode I have contrast at 50 and cell light at 7. I like a natural easy on the eyes picture for night viewing. For Standard I have contrast at 60 and cell light at 9. During the day I keep the drapes open and with plenty of ambient light in the house my Standard settings are still plenty bright. Any amount of IR I get lasts seconds. Too high of contrast will create a more harsh IR leading to a longer recovery time.
Those settings are really low. If you like a dim picture at night I would suggest setting contrast at 95 and using cell light to adjust to taste. Even cell light at 3-4 and contrast at 95 will look better than lowering the contrast to 50. By reducing contrast that low you are losing a lot of detail in the highlights of the picture that cell light can't bring back.
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Those settings are really low. If you like a dim picture at night I would suggest setting contrast at 95 and using cell light to adjust to taste. Even cell light at 3-4 and contrast at 95 will look better than lowering the contrast to 50. By reducing contrast that low you are losing a lot of detail in the highlights of the picture that cell light can't bring back.
Thanks for your suggestion.
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Does anyone know what would cause the image to start dimming out after about 5 minutes of usage? Then if i were to switch to another picture mode, then back to the original one it would go back to the original brightness, then dim out after about another 5 minutes? All the eco sensor settings are off.. Any help would be appreciated!

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Does anyone know what would cause the image to start dimming out after about 5 minutes of usage? Then if i were to switch to another picture mode, then back to the original one it would go back to the original brightness, then dim out after about another 5 minutes? All the eco sensor settings are off.. Any help would be appreciated!

That sounds like the original Eco sensor "bug". You should see a "slide" with the Eco sensor. Turn it on, put the number at 20, turn the Eco sensor off. (I believe this was the old
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That sounds like the original Eco sensor "bug". You should see a "slide" with the Eco sensor. Turn it on, put the number at 20, turn the Eco sensor off. (I believe this was the old
Method).
I've seen this happen with my 60F5300 too and wondered what the hell was going on. Thanks for the tip.
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