Originally Posted by fierce_gt
I don't think anybody's gotten over 60ftl in at least a year. the story is too many ppl complained to Samsung and that was part of their 'fw fix'...haha. so be careful what you ask for. the only way to get less input lag is to reduce picture quality...
i know...i know....damn, I didn't know there were this many issues were the F8500.
I just finished reading a thread about abl function on the F8500 and now I'm even MORE confused about how to self-calibrate this set. Its weird, like, Still trying to figure out if using a cell light of 20 is worth having 10 pts not align.
This thread: Samsung Cell Light Control - Explained by a Samsung insider
I couldn't even attempt to calibrate it even if i tried...id have to get D-nice to come down and he was the one sole calibrator speaking to Samsung Korea Engineers about this. Problem is, I live in Canada.
He was suppose to come down and tinker with my zt60 but didn't get back to me this summer
Originally Posted by HLdan
I hate to be the Debbie Downer and tell you not to waste your time but you do realize Samsung is ending their Plasma era in just over 60 days? If they haven't fix these issues by now.....
The ZT60 may be "problem-free" in this respect but it certainly isn't problem-free in general. Trust the fact that many owners of the ZT60 are annoyed with the fan issues, the overheating issues, along with Panasonic's legendary IR magnet panels.
You can go right ahead and call Samsung to complain and demand they fix these issues, just expect to get this: Uh Huh, Uh Huh, Uh Huh, okay sir we will forward this to our technical department...blah blah blah. The last time they upgraded firmware for the earlier F8500's was back in February.
As far as getting this forum to call Samsung to complain. Well, we can try but even with 100 people here calling Samsung that's basically nobody in Samsung's eyes. But even so, it's too late in the game to expect them to do anything now. Overall the F8500 runs beautifully and it won this year's VE Shootout in the color accuracy category. Videogame lag is probably the least of Samsung's concerns.
Not an issue for me on those two areas. Fan fix is a free fix by Panasonic. As for overheating? Um....i haven't had any issue with it overheating. It does get hot. I think you got that because some folks have added fans to the rear aid ventilation. Hell I added fans to my receiver and amp to keep em nice and cool. DOesnt mean they overheat as well
There was one fella who took infared thermal pics of his screen cuz he saw some uneven-ness in coloured slides. Sad story for him but folks need to be careful about adequate ventilation for the set too. I have at least a foot space from the rear wall.
But you may be right about Samsung Tech giving me the shoulder about future updates and the ZT/VT60 can be IR magnets LOL. But majority of displays ( 90% ) it goes away
Guys, CALL THEM RIGHT NOW AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FEATURES
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
It's night and day.
I returned my ZT60. Too damn dark. 3D was horrible because the display did not push the brightness.
The F8500, for me, is greatly superior to the ZT60.
LOL Too Dark? Were you wearing sun glasses?
FWIW sir, the ZT60 can now be calibrated in panel brightness HIGH which yields 50+ fL
3D holds on a slight advantage on the F8500. I know the ZT60 gets to about 6 fL thru the glasses and the F8500 ( according to Chad B ) gets around 8 fL.
Still no where near the original measurement pre firmware updates of 12 fL. Sad, i know.
Originally Posted by Stereodude
I don't encounter the bug. It's really easy to avoid. Send the TV a 1080p24 (23.976...) signal, turn on Cinema Smooth and don't turn it off. From now on anytime you send 1080p24 to the TV on that input Cinema Smooth will be turned on. I have no idea why you'd want to go to the trouble of sending the TV a 1080p24 signal and have Cinema Smooth off. It you want 3:2 cadence judder on your 1080p24 content you can just send the TV 1080p60.
So what was this one individual talking about -
"If Cinema Smooth is OFF and Motion Judder Cancellor is OFF you have to press OFF again on Motion Judder Cancellor. It will stay ON if you dont. It will also swtich to ON when you turn OFF Cinema Smooth even though it says OFF. "
"Yes, there is a bug with the judder control that sometimes requires you to switch it from OFF to ON to OFF again for it to actually remain off."
How come you have never had to do that? Panel variance?
Finally, has anyone attempted to contact samsung at any point in the year to mention these bugs? MJC, input lag, brightness reduction? Just curious if anyone did....maybe samsung couldn't fix the issues