Originally Posted by fierce_gt
yeah, but the other 99% of us haven't had that happen. makes me wonder what the difference is? I'm pretty sure, that once you turn it off, the only way it'll come back on, is if you change a setting. I don't do that, I calibrate the display and leave it. and I'd never turn the MJC on anyway, but I know some ppl do for sports, or games, or 3d, or who knows what and why. it's most those ppl that have issues, because they are constantly changing the settings, and sometimes, there's a glitch.
we had a lot of hopes that the evo kits would help with input lag, but I haven't heard anybody that's actually tested this. it seems like the evo kit is mostly flash though. it's a new remote control, and new hardware for the apps. doesn't seem to have any appreciable affect on image quality. if it did help, it'd probably be flying off the shelves
I just feel the lag is 99% the processing being done. that processing HAS to be done for as long as that panel is being used. it would take a major upgrade in ALL the processing hardware to make a big difference. it's not like the CPU that came with the f8500 was super slow to begin with.
I have to say though, from what you're saying about the zt60, I don't really understand why you want to replace it. you're giving up KNOWN advantages because of the POSSIBILITY of a single disadvantage.
it's that saying, the grass isn't greener on the other side, it's greener where you water it... treat the zt60 with slightly more care in regards to IR and it'll be everything you want it to be.
Naw, it isn't like that. Its not one feature I'm after or something. The F8500 is still a solid display, better than the VT50 I think and the VT50 was a reference product by hdtvtest.co.uk standards.
If it wasn't for internet reviews of the ZT60 I would've gone for the F8500....but the reviews of the ZT60 kept stating OLED-like blacks which is far from the truth. It may be the deepest blacks ever on a plasma but no plasma will ever become close to the OLEDs....not even tweaked kuros.
Now I know what the best can do Ill be even more content with the F8500 picture quality. Everything is still reference...color accuracy, motion rez, off angle viewing, even the louvre filter is top of the line ( just as good as the ZT60 )
To boot, I'm saving almost $1400 bucks going with the F8500. Cant beat that!
Id still be pissed if I able to spot floating blacks. Ohhh man that would annoy the crap out of me lollll
Originally Posted by pitchman
BTW and FWIW, I routinely game on my F8500 for 2-3 hours daily. I have a PS4, PS3, and an Xbox 360 connected to it and I have never seen any IR after a session. I do nothing preventative, either...no scrolling bars, no pixel shift, no nothing. The only time I ever saw even a smidge of IR is after watching three plus hours of a letterboxed 3D Blu-ray (Avatar) in a completely dark room, and it literally went away within five seconds of switching to full screen content. There is no reason to baby the F8500. I went into this TV after coming off years of LED, and I treat the F8500 just like I did the LED TVs.
IR is the nature of the beast. Plasmas will always be susceptible to IR in different amounts of retention. Some more aggressive than others and possible in extremely minute ways. But whatever. Its all good. As long as it doesn't remain visible after attempts to rid it I'm cool. Its just one story of an owner of the ZT60 who got burn in that scared me....hahah
Originally Posted by fierce_gt
generally the experts go back to black levels. kuro > zt60 > f8500
but the 'general enthusiasts' have often picked the f8500 over them because of it's brightness and ambient light performance.
they all seem pretty darn close to perfect when it comes to color, gamma, and apparently motion(I say apparently because I think they all look 'bad' when stuff starts to move, but it's likely a source issue).
many of the owners chose the panny or Samsung for other features. larger screen size, 3d, smart features, etc. the kuro is still a very capable display by all reports. it's just that it's an old display, and stuck with old specs/features. the zt60/f8500 update the features while remaining close to the kuro's picture quality
to put things in perspective, you're talking about which athlete is going to win gold, silver, and bronze in the Olympics. no matter what they are darn impressive!
the tweaked kuros were really deep but not OLED deep. Far from it. and regular non tweaked sets will be on the ZT60s tail.
But whats the point? If isn't OLED black having any sort of luminance glow is such a tease....
Originally Posted by icelt
While I agree there isn't a need to baby the F8500 with regards to static images being displayed while gaming, it is still definitely prudent to advise heavy gamers to vary content between sessions.
I'm only chiming in because I personally, as a result of playing Dark Souls II earlier this year, have a case of very persistent IR on mine.
By all accounts the F8500 is quite resistant in this regard but that by no means equals impervious. If you game heavily, ie more than 2 hours at any one time, then be kind to your panel and watch/display some full screen HD content for at least an hour or so between sessions.
Some ZT60 owners get IR that last a bit longer than other displays. My IR goes away fairly quickly. I even tortured it and the IR still went away. One owner I think got burn in...that scared me. But I still think its panel variance.
Most F8500s will be IR resistant and maybe a handful will be more prone to it.