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post #10081 of 11867 Old 12-31-2014, 11:19 AM
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mine's always around 40C when I check. almost never lower than 35(I don't typically check when I first turn it on), and never higher than 44C.
is it 51 inch? depends on the settings also.. i believe cell light one
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I have it in writing in a two independent chats from Samsung that they do not honor the warranty from purchases made from unauthorized dealers.

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I have it in writing in a two independent chats from Samsung that they do not honor the warranty from purchases made from unauthorized dealers. I originally almost bought a TV from East Coast at a bargain price and then canceled the order after communicating with Samsung. I then received a call from a representative at East Coast all pissed off that I cancelled the order claiming that there were no warranty issues to worry about. East Coast may be 100% right, but I would hate to be in a position to have to debate that with Samsung after the fact.
Unfortunately, Samsung's warranty terms trumps the opinion of their chat reps. The warranty language for the 8500 is unambiguous.

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Does anyone know the difference between MRT and Panel Display Time? My MRT is 5194 and Panel Display Time is 1690 min.

Any advice whether I should keep this tv based on the number of hours in usage?
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I know the soap opera effect is not good to have on but I'm curious to see how it looks. When I set it to standard or smooth nothing happens.
Is there anything I'm missing?
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I haven't searched through this entire thread, but I have my 60" F8500 mounted to the wall with a Monoprice mount. Unfortunately it sticks out further from the wall at the base than the top and I am simply flummoxed as to why. The PN50C7000 replaced by the F8500 rested perfectly flat on the wall using the identical mounts. It's quite obnoxious as the screen is tilted slightly up while the center of the TV is mounted just above eye level.
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I haven't searched through this entire thread, but I have my 60" F8500 mounted to the wall with a Monoprice mount. Unfortunately it sticks out further from the wall at the base than the top and I am simply flummoxed as to why. The PN50C7000 replaced by the F8500 rested perfectly flat on the wall using the identical mounts. It's quite obnoxious as the screen is tilted slightly up while the center of the TV is mounted just above eye level.
Bummer. You might have to take it off the wall and reset the vertical brackets, install spacers/washers along with the upper m screws, or just reseat the lower ones.

Last week I installed a smaller Sammy LCD using a monoprice wall mount. One end of the wall plate was curved or bent but not enough to return it.

Took pains to ensure the wall plate was level and yet the tv was slightly skewed left to right when mounted. After adjusting for some slop in the bracket holes it's now as level as the wall plate.

Can't wait for monoprice to begin production of TV's.

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My Panasonic 50" VT20 has a much better antiglare filter. See attached photos. The VT20 is hooked up to the component input and the F8500 to HDMI. The VT20 is also brighter. I have them both set to David Katzmaier's recommended settings. I picked up the F8500 as an open box floor model at Best Buy and am undecided if I want to keep it. I was not able to find a new one. There is some image retention on the F8500 and it was manufactured in March 2013. The image retention seems to be fading after running the scrolling bars and can't really be seen with normal viewing. I haven't tested dark room performance to compare them.
Isn't the VT20 the European version of the VT25? If so, the overall peak brightness would not be higher than the F8500. My VT30 has a very similar peak brightness to the VT25 and in no way is as bright as my 8500. Maybe the VT20 is brighter in those particular CNET settings. I will say my VT30 does a better job with anti glare, but that's about the only way it bests the 8500.

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Isn't the VT20 the European version of the VT25? If so, the overall peak brightness would not be higher than the F8500. My VT30 has a very similar peak brightness to the VT25 and in no way is as bright as my 8500. Maybe the VT20 is brighter in those particular CNET settings. I will say my VT30 does a better job with anti glare, but that's about the only way it bests the 8500.
I believe it is the Best Buy version of the VT25 as I bought it at Best Buy. I am also in the greater Houston area.
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I believe it is the Best Buy version of the VT25 as I bought it at Best Buy. I am also in the greater Houston area.
Are you sure it's a VT20 and not a VT25 then? All the info I can find lists the VT20 as the European version of the VT25.

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I've seen a few owners with higher than expected MRT numbers for a new set, had there been any attempt to question Samsung in this yet? Or any response?

The set delivered yesterday with an 11/14 build date lists ~190.

Best Buy thought this to be normal. I'm thinking Samsung refurbed this unit, the other 'tell' I believe is that the stand and bezel color do not match. (Anyone else experience that?)

Has the increase in demand caused them to just throw what they have at us?
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I know the soap opera effect is not good to have on but I'm curious to see how it looks. When I set it to standard or smooth nothing happens.
Is there anything I'm missing?
Motion should seem incorrect, almost sped up. If you're watching sports, it will be mostly unoticable, if your watching regular content, like a movie, you should be able to quickly spot it. I leave judder off on all sources on the 8500.

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I know the soap opera effect is not good to have on but I'm curious to see how it looks. When I set it to standard or smooth nothing happens.
Is there anything I'm missing?
Motion should seem incorrect, almost sped up. If you're watching sports, it will be mostly unoticable, if your watching regular content, like a movie, you should be able to quickly spot it. I leave judder off on all sources on the 8500.
Is soap opera effect animated like in a way like using a home video cam?
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Thanks for that info, I'll have to look into SquareTrade but the whole think may be more hassle then it's worth. I really had high hopes that having the receipt would be enough.


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Just as a heads up, Square Trade is great...the best possible way you can go. I sell them at my work. BUT....their service doesnt cover burn in. The only service that does is Best Buy, which you can only get if you buy there. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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Is soap opera effect animated like in a way like using a home video cam?
I didnt like it at first. it made everything look cheesy and comical. Now however I have got used to having it on, and I think it makes things seem sharper and more real, I feel like things have more depth. Just my opinion after keeping it on for a week.
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Does anyone know the difference between MRT and Panel Display Time? My MRT is 5194 and Panel Display Time is 1690 min.

Any advice whether I should keep this tv based on the number of hours in usage?
My MRT out of the box was 5 hours. My step dad has worked with tvs for 30 years. He said it can have any amount of time on it as select tvs are tested and adjusted, but not all, which would be why some peoples say 0. Probably a quality control issue.
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Just as a heads up, Square Trade is great...the best possible way you can go. I sell them at my work. BUT....their service doesnt cover burn in. The only service that does is Best Buy, which you can only get if you buy there. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Agreed. The two times I've filed a claim with square trade, they were quick and fixed the issue. Had a board replaced on my VT30 in about 20 minutes at my house. Highly recomended.

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Is soap opera effect animated like in a way like using a home video cam?
It can look animated. Just play around with it and see if you like it or not. I use it on my LED set in my kids game area, and it is able to work without producing a vivid soap opera effect, so it's not distracting. The judder control on the F8500 I find too distracting, plus the motion is already really good - not like an LED that truly needs it.
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My F8500 has a problem

So, my P51F8500 is 11 months old. It intermittently has a display problem. The top 4 inches or so of the screen gets very light, starts flashing etc. Trouble is, it is intermittant. Samsung service says they cant fix it if they cant see it. Will occur when the TV is in displsy diagnostics mode.

Seems more common when the set is in Dynamic mode, but will occur in Standard mode too.

I am worried this will croak and I'll be forced into an LCD as a warranty fix.

What is going on here?
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My Panasonic 50" VT20 has a much better antiglare filter. See attached photos. The VT20 is hooked up to the component input and the F8500 to HDMI. The VT20 is also brighter. I have them both set to David Katzmaier's recommended settings. I picked up the F8500 as an open box floor model at Best Buy and am undecided if I want to keep it. I was not able to find a new one. There is some image retention on the F8500 and it was manufactured in March 2013. The image retention seems to be fading after running the scrolling bars and can't really be seen with normal viewing. I haven't tested dark room performance to compare them.
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The side by side settings are quite interesting. Your right about the glare. I have both the F8500 and the Kuro and both are rather terrible at controlling glare. I had the Panasonic ZT for a short time and it may have handled the glare better, but no way did it produce a better picture in my opinion. The bottom line is you have to control reflections by using bias lighting, shades, etc. I also found that other calibrator's reference settings should only be used as a starting point and that you have to tweak those settings according to taste. I copied the Value Electronics calibration settings as an experiment and found that the picture looked like I was watching it through a fog. The CNET and Consumer Reports settings were a much better starting point.
My understanding of the panel filtering on the ZT60/VT60 and F8500 models is that they're more designed for blocking light from vertical angles such as an overhead light.

Indeed, when I turn on the overhead light in my bedroom my PN51F8500 is great at retaining black levels and the picture doesn't get washed out at all.

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is it 51 inch? depends on the settings also.. i believe cell light one
64 as per my sig. my range includes all the cell light settings I've used, so about 12-20. also eco on low or off. either way i've done it, peak luminance was always between 30-40ftl

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My F8500 has a problem

So, my P51F8500 is 11 months old. It intermittently has a display problem. The top 4 inches or so of the screen gets very light, starts flashing etc. Trouble is, it is intermittant. Samsung service says they cant fix it if they cant see it. Will occur when the TV is in displsy diagnostics mode.

Seems more common when the set is in Dynamic mode, but will occur in Standard mode too.

I am worried this will croak and I'll be forced into an LCD as a warranty fix.

What is going on here?
Shoot a video of it and that should pacify them. It should also help them diagnose the issue.

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question for u guys....i see people say if theres a power problem when you turn the tv on the red light blinks. When I turn my tv on the red light blinks 5 times, takes about until the 5th blink for the cable to be going. Everything seems fine, but should the light blink 5 times? Is that how it normally starts?
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question for u guys....i see people say if theres a power problem when you turn the tv on the red light blinks. When I turn my tv on the red light blinks 5 times, takes about until the 5th blink for the cable to be going. Everything seems fine, but should the light blink 5 times? Is that how it normally starts?
Mine blinks exactly 5 time upon startup. Probably normal and something to do with startup. Interested to see other's comments.
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I just picked up PN648500 from BestBuy. It was a return but came with no remotes. It seems one way of replacing the smart remote is to order a Samsung 2013 SEK-1000 Smart Evolution kit. Can anyone recommend a solution they have found more beneficial? I have read bad reviews on the functionality of the Samsung Smart remotes. Also, does anyone have the 2014 SEK-2000 Smart Evolution kit and is there an advantage to investing more money with that?
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I just picked up PN648500 from BestBuy. It was a return but came with no remotes. It seems one way of replacing the smart remote is to order a Samsung 2013 SEK-1000 Smart Evolution kit. Can anyone recommend a solution they have found more beneficial? I have read bad reviews on the functionality of the Samsung Smart remotes. Also, does anyone have the 2014 SEK-2000 Smart Evolution kit and is there an advantage to investing more money with that?
Samsung should be able to sell you a Smart Remote.
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Can I connect Bluetooth headphones to the F8500? If so, how?
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I just recently turned my HDMI port to PC mode and for some reason the tv keeps going into screen saver mode after a few minutes whether Im playing a game or navigating around on my XBox..... Is this a bug or do I have to completely turn off my screen saver?(which Im not overly comfortable with)
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I just picked up PN648500 from BestBuy. It was a return but came with no remotes. It seems one way of replacing the smart remote is to order a Samsung 2013 SEK-1000 Smart Evolution kit. Can anyone recommend a solution they have found more beneficial? I have read bad reviews on the functionality of the Samsung Smart remotes. Also, does anyone have the 2014 SEK-2000 Smart Evolution kit and is there an advantage to investing more money with that?
I like the smart remote, but to be fair, I mostly use my Harmony One. Really only use the smart remote to change picture settings. If you want the smart remote outside of the Smart Evolution Kit, go to Amazon.com and search for Samsung Smart Remote. They have some good options.

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