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Yes you should definitely do it. You're going to end up paying either that much or more for a new TV and it will be an LCD, YUK....unless you want to pay the current OLED prices which is just not worth it.
OLEDs are not worth it right now. Perhaps only the LG. But it's 55". No thanks. Better wait for OLED, 4K, HDR, good price, 60"

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OLEDs are not worth it right now. Perhaps only the LG. But it's 55". No thanks. Better wait for OLED, 4K, HDR, good price, 60"
What seems funny to me is we started waiting for OLED, then oh wait, there is 4K OLED...almost there, wait now its 4K OLED with HDR. At this rate, I'll die from old age before they settle on this.
I WANT MORE and cipherbreak like this.

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HOW MANY HOURS IS THE F8500 IN NEW CONDITION ??? (Assuming properly taken care off with no IR)

What would new condition be defined as? (assuming no scratches or signs of external wear)

How many hours of use until the average user or an expert could tell that the picture had degraded noticeably?

I have heard that plasma TV have a 60,000 hour half life where the picture would be 50% as bright as it originally was.

What other aspects of the picture would have degraded by then?

Would that mean that at 6,000 hours the brightness levels would be down 5%?
The F8500 is the brightest plasma ever made according to reviews I have read.

I have a Samsung C7000 that I bought in 2010. The picture looks excellent.
I can't tell that it is any worse than when I bought it. It looks better than most TVs I see in stores.

Has anyone owned a plasma long enough to notice that the picture has degraded?

I believe that the F8500 is the best all around TV currently available.
I think that all of us here want to keep this TV in optimum condition for as long as possible.

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I've got a problem with my new Open Box 64F8500 that I wanted to run by the owners.

Basically, the TV is beautiful, silent (no sizzle) and looks amazing.

However…

If, after watching TV for a while I shut it off, then turn it back on a few minutes later, the TV does not come on. The red light blinks every five or six seconds forever.

If I then shut the TV off, and try to turn it back on, sometimes it repeats the behavior above, but eventually it will come back on.

The strange thing is when it does come back on, the date/time reads as having been reset to Dec. 31, 1969 6:00 PM (or 0.)

Obviously something is causing the clock chip to lose its setting and who knows what else.

Has anyone else seen this?

I guess I will be calling Samsung or Best Buy tomorrow.

Since this was delivered today, does anyone have any experiences that denote which entity (Samsung or Best Buy) I should call?

Note this was very clearly a demo unit, so who knows if something overheated during its reported 8000 hours of use before I got it.

Manufacturing date is March 2013, and I do not have the Black Optimizer artifacts.
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I've got a problem with my new Open Box 64F8500 that I wanted to run by the owners.

Basically, the TV is beautiful, silent (no sizzle) and looks amazing.

However…

If, after watching TV for a while I shut it off, then turn it back on a few minutes later, the TV does not come on. The red light blinks every five or six seconds forever.

If I then shut the TV off, and try to turn it back on, sometimes it repeats the behavior above, but eventually it will come back on.

The strange thing is when it does come back on, the date/time reads as having been reset to Dec. 31, 1969 6:00 PM (or 0.)

Obviously something is causing the clock chip to lose its setting and who knows what else.

Has anyone else seen this?

I guess I will be calling Samsung or Best Buy tomorrow.

Since this was delivered today, does anyone have any experiences that denote which entity (Samsung or Best Buy) I should call?

Note this was very clearly a demo unit, so who knows if something overheated during its reported 8000 hours of use before I got it.

Manufacturing date is March 2013, and I do not have the Black Optimizer artifacts.
A long shot but try unplugging the display when its in the "off" condition and leave it unplugged for a couple of minutes. Plug it back in and then turn it on. See if it exhibits the earlier behavior.

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A long shot but try unplugging the display when its in the "off" condition and leave it unplugged for a couple of minutes. Plug it back in and then turn it on. See if it exhibits the earlier behavior.
Note that it's fine if you try to turn it back on immediately, or if you let it sit for a while (an hour, or overnight.)

It's only after a five to ten minute interval.

Part of me wants to put it into the "Don't do that" category since it's such a precise manner of failure; if it starts failing to power up after sitting overnight that's a bigger issue.
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Note that it's fine if you try to turn it back on immediately, or if you let it sit for a while (an hour, or overnight.)

It's only after a five to ten minute interval.

Part of me wants to put it into the "Don't do that" category since it's such a precise manner of failure; if it starts failing to power up after sitting overnight that's a bigger issue.
I'd want it taken care of before the warranty runs out.

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I'd want it taken care of before the warranty runs out.
Oh, definitely, I'm just trying to determine whether to call now since the TV was just delivered less than 24 hours ago and despite being an open box it comes with a full new product Samsung warranty.

I suppose it doesn't hurt to call now, which takes me back to whether to call Samsung or Best Buy about it.
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Oh, definitely, I'm just trying to determine whether to call now since the TV was just delivered less than 24 hours ago and despite being an open box it comes with a full new product Samsung warranty.

I suppose it doesn't hurt to call now, which takes me back to whether to call Samsung or Best Buy about it.
Call BB first. They have a 15 day, money back guarantee with all new purchases. If they can't fix, or you are not satisfied, you get your money back. If you go through Samsung, and it takes more than 2 weeks to fix, you can''t get your money back, and you are stuck with dealing whatever results they feel are satisfactory.
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Call BB first. They have a 15 day, money back guarantee with all new purchases. If they can't fix, or you are not satisfied, you get your money back. If you go through Samsung, and it takes more than 2 weeks to fix, you can''t get your money back, and you are stuck with dealing whatever results they feel are satisfactory.
True, though in this case I wouldn't want my money back as this set with issues still looks better than anything else on the BB sales floor.

Could someone else confirm that if you shut off your F8500 and wait five minutes, then turn it back on it comes back on?

If I turn my TV off then immediately back on, or wait an hour, everything is fine.

It's that 5 - 10 minute pause that causes problems.

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True, though in this case I wouldn't want my money back as this set with issues still looks better than anything else on the BB sales floor.

Could someone else confirm that if you shut off your F8500 and wait five minutes, then turn it back on it comes back on?

If I turn my TV off then immediately back on, or wait an hour, everything is fine.

It's that 5 - 10 minute pause that causes problems.
Never had a problem with turning it back on even immediately after turning it off.


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More data on my issue:
  • If I turn the TV off then immediately back on, it turns on on the first try.
  • If I turn the TV off and leave it off for more than ten minutes or so, it turns back on on the first try.
  • If I turn the TV off and wait between 30 seconds and ten minutes or so, when I turn it on the LED flashes about once every five seconds for about a minute, then goes dark. I have to turn it off then back on, sometimes it will then start on the second try, sometimes it takes a third.
  • If I had a "no start," when the TV does power up the date/time has been reset to UNIX 0 (December 31, 1969 6:00 PM for me in the Mountain Time Zone); if the TV turns on normally it retains the date/time.

It's so regular it almost seems like a feature, but no one would design this in.

Update:
Best Buy is having a new power supply and main board drop-shipped to my home for the service call, so I hope it's not the "Y" board.

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