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You know with black levels that dark I Find it hard to see how David from CNET in his review of the top tvs noticed lighter shades of black levels when reviewing the VT60 against the F8500

He says this: "The VT50 and the F8500 both appeared visibly grayer in the letterbox bars and other black areas, and while the Sharp Elite looked very dark too, it wasn't as consistent as the plasmas."

"Again, the subjective rankings among the sets were the same: the two 2013 Panasonics were too close to call, a smidge better overall than the Kuro and Elite, and visibly better than the F8500 or VT50."

I just dont get it. How much darker can the widescreen bars be when the picture above has black levels that seem extremely dark.....Can someone explain this?

Maybe David is really exaggerting the differences because the levels are soo deep its the only way to differentiate them. Anyone?

David's review is months old. The F8500 has been updated like a zillion times since then. Also, remember that the F8500 was the people's choice at the annual shootout. At the end of the day, it is good to read the reviews, but if you already chose the F8500, just enjoy the set. Who cares what David thinks now (I would, however, if I didn't like the F8500)!
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Does anyone have a calibration report for a fairly recent production of a 64F8500?

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You know with black levels that dark I Find it hard to see how David from CNET in his review of the top tvs noticed lighter shades of black levels when reviewing the VT60 against the F8500

He says this: "The VT50 and the F8500 both appeared visibly grayer in the letterbox bars and other black areas, and while the Sharp Elite looked very dark too, it wasn't as consistent as the plasmas."

"Again, the subjective rankings among the sets were the same: the two 2013 Panasonics were too close to call, a smidge better overall than the Kuro and Elite, and visibly better than the F8500 or VT50."

I just dont get it. How much darker can the widescreen bars be when the picture above has black levels that seem extremely dark.....Can someone explain this?

Maybe David is really exaggerting the differences because the levels are soo deep its the only way to differentiate them. Anyone?

Did anyone check whether David had the Black or Gray On for the Bars for Screen Burn In Prevention?
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all i can say is that in a dark room, the f8500 is still obviously not black. as are all plasmas i'm sure. in that environment it's easy to see the difference if you look for it, which a reviewer should.

as i've said from the beginning, how good or bad the vt60 may be, has no affect on how good the f8500 is. it's a fantastic display that is a huge improvement over last year's models is pretty much every single way. it matches the blacks(i'd say beats) of the best plasma from 2012.

at this point it's like pointing out a lambo has 512hp and the ferrari has 'only' 500hp. it needs to be stated in reviews, and it's noticeable if you look for it/measure it. beyond that though, it's a small difference and shouldn't be the only thing you base your buying decision on

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I have to agree, my LCD is way better with black levels, I thought maybe there was some setting I was missing but it doesn't seem to be getting darker.

This may be going back to BB. I just thought I would add, the VT 50  I had has much darker blacks...

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This is now my second 60f8500, build date November 2013, with damage to the stand and a very loud buzz out of the box. I feel like the quality control from November is horrible!! Last one I got had dings and scratches all over the base and this one has the same. This set also seems to have an even louder buzz then last last one and in more directions instead of just in front. My room is too bright and I've owned and returned a vt60 which glares way too much and have severe ir after just watching one football game (8500 has never had ir, not even for a second). Apparently I'm going to have to buy another Tv as I cannot take this buzz and keep taking off for delivery dates. Can anyone suggest another tv that will work well in a bright room, sports watching, movie watching and gaming?
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Any F8500 hockey fans?

I currently have an F5300 and while I love the overall PQ (especially for the price..) but I've mainly bought a TV for hockey.. and the ABL is very aggressive on the F5300, lots of flashes at any brightness level/white balance.. even if I purposely make whites a bit more warm looking.

My Samsung PN680 from 2010 has the ice get a bit more dank but I don't mind that nearly as much as I do the popping.

It seems with the better brightness ABL shouldn't be as big of an issue on all white..
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I have to agree, my LCD is way better with black levels, I thought maybe there was some setting I was missing but it doesn't seem to be getting darker.
This may be going back to BB. I just thought I would add, the VT 50  I had has much darker blacks...

what lcd? i haven't brought home a local dimming set yet, i didn't realize they were even in the game when it came to black levels. the samsung d6300 i tried was decently black, but had so much clouding and flashlighting i couldn't really call it 'black' anymore, haha. i've been tempted by local dimming, i'm just not sure how affective it really is. i think i could look past some haloing, but i don't really know until i try i guess

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Any F8500 hockey fans?

I currently have an F5300 and while I love the overall PQ (especially for the price..) but I've mainly bought a TV for hockey.. and the ABL is very aggressive on the F5300, lots of flashes at any brightness level/white balance.. even if I purposely make whites a bit more warm looking.

My Samsung PN680 from 2010 has the ice get a bit more dank but I don't mind that nearly as much as I do the popping.

It seems with the better brightness ABL shouldn't be as big of an issue on all white..

i don't watch many hockey games, but i am canadian so i've seen hockey on the f8500. i didn't notice anything, but i've never been really sensitive to ABL. truth is, i first heard about it when researching the f8500 and hearing how good it was with ABL, haha.

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i don't watch many hockey games, but i am canadian so i've seen hockey on the f8500. i didn't notice anything, but i've never been really sensitive to ABL. truth is, i first heard about it when researching the f8500 and hearing how good it was with ABL, haha.

Cool thanks! I didn't think I was sensitive to ABL either.

I forgot to finish my thought on the PN680, although the ice gets more and more off white it doesn't really have the aggressive flashes that the F5300 has. I can notice them ideally I could keep the whites nice and white (though I'm well aware the ice far more off white than it looks on a typical LCD) and not have the flashes.

I'd rather deal with off white ice than have judder and have trouble following the play because of motion blur.

But yeah I figure the F8500 is probably the ultimate hockey TV, great motion (or I'd assume based on the F5300 levels), good brightness, I guess it all varies on how it reacts with ABL.
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what lcd? i haven't brought home a local dimming set yet, i didn't realize they were even in the game when it came to black levels. the samsung d6300 i tried was decently black, but had so much clouding and flashlighting i couldn't really call it 'black' anymore, haha. i've been tempted by local dimming, i'm just not sure how affective it really is. i think i could look past some haloing, but i don't really know until i try i guess

LG 55LHX....you can check CHAD B's reviews it goes black...... I was expecting a lot closer with a top rated plasma. I still have my LHX but moved to a larger apartment. So moved it to the bedroom. The VT 50 I had got darker after broken in and was very close to the LHX after 200 hours....I have over 300 hours on my 8500 and it hasn't changed.

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LG 55LHX....you can check CHAD B's reviews it goes black...... I was expecting a lot closer with a top rated plasma. I still have my LHX but moved to a larger apartment. So moved it to the bedroom. The VT 50 I had got darker after broken in and was very close to the LHX after 200 hours....I have over 300 hours on my 8500 and it hasn't changed.

Same question I posed re David - is the Screen Protection Bars on Black or Gray? They recommend Gray, so then the Bars will never be the Blacker Blacks.
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LG 55LHX....you can check CHAD B's reviews it goes black...... I was expecting a lot closer with a top rated plasma. I still have my LHX but moved to a larger apartment. So moved it to the bedroom. The VT 50 I had got darker after broken in and was very close to the LHX after 200 hours....I have over 300 hours on my 8500 and it hasn't changed.

ah yes, i've heard of that one smile.gif not your everyday LED.

how much of a difference did you notice with the vt50 between new at 200hrs? that was my original plan, to get a clearance vt50, but from what i say and read, the st60 was a much better deal, and the vt60 and f8500 were better overall displays for a little more money.

i have no idea how many hours were on the vt50 i saw, but i didn't think it had super deep blacks compared to the st60 and f8500. by the time the vt60's were out, the vt50's were no longer on display, so i never got a chance to compare those directly. i do remember seeing the st60 that had been on display for a few weeks next to the vt60 the day it arrived and the st60 actually may have looked nicer. the sales staff did mention that the st60 looked much better than when brand new, and they expected the vt60 to 'break in' as well. i just wonder if the f8500 has that potential and will just take longer, or if it doesn't break in like the panny's seem to?

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Sorry to hear that. After returning Sony 60" R550 3 times due to blob issues and bad clouding appearance on Sony 65" 850 I decided to buy this Samsung tv Build date May 2013. Well I have got almost 3 weeks ago. What I can tell, I absolutely love it. I had that Buzz sound but that was not that loud and stays same, however when I turn up volume I could not hear it but it is there of course. Lately What I have noticed that buzz sound is gone by its own, I can't even hear If i stand by my TV and turn the volume down to 0-10, Not too sure why. I had a latest firmware 1115 rolled out last week, May be that had fixed it?

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Sorry to hear that. After returning Sony 60" R550 3 times due to blob issues and bad clouding appearance on Sony 65" 850 I decided to buy this Samsung tv Build date May 2013. Well I have got almost 3 weeks ago. What I can tell, I absolutely love it. I had that Buzz sound but that was not that loud and stays same, however when I turn up volume I could not hear it but it is there of course. Lately What I have noticed that buzz sound is gone by its own, I can't even hear If i stand by my TV and turn the volume down to 0-10, Not too sure why. I had a latest firmware 1115 rolled out last week, May be that had fixed it?

Originally had buzz from the back. Within a week, had to put ear right on the set to hear. Wife wanted to know why I was doing that - `You don't watch TV with you ear on the set?'
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Exactly that's what my wife told me, And my response was, because we are NERD :)

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ah yes, i've heard of that one smile.gif not your everyday LED.

how much of a difference did you notice with the vt50 between new at 200hrs? that was my original plan, to get a clearance vt50, but from what i say and read, the st60 was a much better deal, and the vt60 and f8500 were better overall displays for a little more money.

i have no idea how many hours were on the vt50 i saw, but i didn't think it had super deep blacks compared to the st60 and f8500. by the time the vt60's were out, the vt50's were no longer on display, so i never got a chance to compare those directly. i do remember seeing the st60 that had been on display for a few weeks next to the vt60 the day it arrived and the st60 actually may have looked nicer. the sales staff did mention that the st60 looked much better than when brand new, and they expected the vt60 to 'break in' as well. i just wonder if the f8500 has that potential and will just take longer, or if it doesn't break in like the panny's seem to?

You may be on to something that it may take longer, I went by Best Buy and had the lighting dimmed as low as they will allow and the blacks and bars appeared darker than mine. This set has been on the wall for 3 months now and right next to a 65ZT60 and the blacks seemed close so for now I an hoping......the general picture is superior and brighter, wife loves it so she said keep it......

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So, the luminance levels I get in Standard may not be achievable in Movie, is that how you understand it?

Yes, that is indeed my understanding, except for the "MAY NOT", which seems to me should be "ARE NOT".
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Yes, that is indeed my understanding, except for the "MAY NOT", which seems to me should be "ARE NOT".

 That is what I feared and if so I feel my set is faulty in not being able to achieve a bright enough image in movie mode. Anyone know how Samsung is in dealing with issues that are subjective like this or do I try dealer first?

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Exactly that's what my wife told me, And my response was, because we are NERD :)

I have the buzz when i sit 8 feet away directly in front of the TV, you can hear it through my soundbar at times and especially when the scene in the movie or show is very low. So frustrating.

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my 64 inch f 8500 has about two thousand hours on it and as it ages the blacks get blacker I have watched this set very closely and as it ages it seems like the blacks get blacker to me at least unless the firmware updates did it to the TV but I don't think that's the case it just seems like as the TV ages it gets better.
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my 64 inch f 8500 has about two thousand hours on it and as it ages the blacks get blacker I have watched this set very closely and as it ages it seems like the blacks get blacker to me at least unless the firmware updates did it to the TV but I don't think that's the case it just seems like as the TV ages it gets better.

We've noticed quite a few TVs come in with Very Dark Gray Panels. Go check out the Panel a Year later, and now it's Black. (Cheaper Panels a Light Gray - do they get Darker?
Never had a cheaper panel to check.)
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my 64 inch f 8500 has about two thousand hours on it and as it ages the blacks get blacker I have watched this set very closely and as it ages it seems like the blacks get blacker to me at least unless the firmware updates did it to the TV but I don't think that's the case it just seems like as the TV ages it gets better.

That is good to hear:)

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I have the buzz when i sit 8 feet away directly in front of the TV, you can hear it through my soundbar at times and especially when the scene in the movie or show is very low. So frustrating.

buzz through the soundbar/speakers would be something different I think.

the 'typical panel buzz' that we are talking about comes from the TV's guts, not the speakers. kind of like the electrical buzz you hear from fluorescent lights, or cheap dimmer switches

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I can't seem to get rid of the camera firmware constantly updating itself every time the TV shuts off.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get this resolved??

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buzz through the soundbar/speakers would be something different I think.

the 'typical panel buzz' that we are talking about comes from the TV's guts, not the speakers. kind of like the electrical buzz you hear from fluorescent lights, or cheap dimmer switches

When I mean through the soundbar I mean "I hear the buzz even when my soundbar is playing sound". The buzz comes from the tv and can be heard basically at all times unless I crank my soundbar up.
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When I mean through the soundbar I mean "I hear the buzz even when my soundbar is playing sound". The buzz comes from the tv and can be heard basically at all times unless I crank my soundbar up.

gotcha! that would drive me nuts too I'm sure.

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Not too sure if you have read my previous thread. I have explained since the newer firmware 1115 has been rolled out on my TV, there is no buzz sound at all. Not too sure if upgrading software had make any difference or after putting up 50+ hours, that buzz sound gone by its own. Overall I am enjoying this TV specially watching SMURF 2 in a complete dark living room.

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Any F8500 hockey fans?

I currently have an F5300 and while I love the overall PQ (especially for the price..) but I've mainly bought a TV for hockey.. and the ABL is very aggressive on the F5300, lots of flashes at any brightness level/white balance.. even if I purposely make whites a bit more warm looking.

My Samsung PN680 from 2010 has the ice get a bit more dank but I don't mind that nearly as much as I do the popping.

It seems with the better brightness ABL shouldn't be as big of an issue on all white..

F8500 has been amazing for hockey ever since one of the first firmware updates that toned down the ABL to where I can't even tell if the set has ABL.
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