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post #1 of 41 Old 05-31-2013, 01:53 PM - Thread Starter
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I have an opportunity to purchase a PDP-6020FD (5 years old, I think) - I currently have a plasma tc-p54vt25 (3 years old).

Other than the obvious size difference - will quality be at least equal with the Pioneer? Or Better... or worse?

TIA for any input!!!
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I've had a 151 for 5 years, I'm not in the market until this goes out beyond repair.

If I was in the market I would get the Panny VT or ZT 65 depending on how they look asthectically.

Since you don't have a Kuro, you won't know the difference and you'll have a brand new set, so get the Vt 65"

My 2 cents.
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The 2013 models (VT/ZT) should provide an equivalent picture to the 6020FD (maybe better with the enhanced calibration controls). The choice is easy.
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I think you guys may have missed my point... I have no plans to purchase a new TV. But I came across a REALLY good deal in this Kuro, which is two years older than my current set.

I'm considering replacing my current, three year old 54" VT model with the five year old 60" KURO. Either keep the panny or go with the Kuro, no other choices.
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I did, sorry. The Kuro should blow the panel you have away in all respects.
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Go Kuro imo
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I think you guys may have missed my point... I have no plans to purchase a new TV. But I came across a REALLY good deal in this Kuro, which is two years older than my current set.

I'm considering replacing my current, three year old 54" VT model with the five year old 60" KURO. Either keep the panny or go with the Kuro, no other choices.




How much money are you paying for the Kuro?
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Hard to say exactly - it's a package deal for the guys whole setup. $1k for tv, elite receiver, 5.1 setup (speakers aren't that impressive) sub is Hsu VTF-1. I'm mainly in it for the sub and tv.
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As long as everything looks ok, that's a really nice price! Go for it, should be a nice upgrade from the vt25.
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Go Kuro.
Do the board change, black level tweak, unlock isf and calibrate it.
This will equal/exceed the PQ of a calibrated Panasonic VT60 for 2D viewing
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Hard to say exactly - it's a package deal for the guys whole setup. $1k for tv, elite receiver, 5.1 setup (speakers aren't that impressive) sub is Hsu VTF-1. I'm mainly in it for the sub and tv.

I saw that ad somewhere -- it's a hell of a deal -- almost too good, don't you think?
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I saw that ad somewhere -- it's a hell of a deal -- almost too good, don't you think?

That deal does sound too good to be true...

If it ends up being legit, though.. it would be a hell of a deal.
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I saw that ad somewhere -- it's a hell of a deal -- almost too good, don't you think?

For sure, but I've seen crazier things! Definitely will check everything out first and the guy hasn't even responded yet so we will see.
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Go Kuro.
Do the board change, black level tweak, unlock isf and calibrate it.
This will equal/exceed the PQ of a calibrated Panasonic VT60 for 2D viewing

Thanks for the tip - I didn't even know about the board change thing.
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Thanks for the tip - I didn't even know about the board change thing.

You don't have to change the board if you can solder a small part .
Take out the board, solder a particular resistor to a particular place and re install the board.

If you don't feel comfortable with a board change there is a pro calibrator on avs forums who will do the board change, tweak black, unlock isf and calibrate it .
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For sure, but I've seen crazier things! Definitely will check everything out first and the guy hasn't even responded yet so we will see.

I would buy the TV alone for $900. At similar size VT or ZT would cost you about $3,000-3,500.
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You don't have to change the board if you can solder a small part .
Take out the board, solder a particular resistor to a particular place and re install the board.

If you don't feel comfortable with a board change there is a pro calibrator on avs forums who will do the board change, tweak black, unlock isf and calibrate it .

How much would the board cost him plus calibration?
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How much would the board cost him plus calibration?

This pro calibrator goes by the screen name DNICE on the avs forums.
Get in touch with him. From what I have read he is extremely good at calibrating kuros and is the only one who can do the black level tweak
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Hard to say exactly - it's a package deal for the guys whole setup. $1k for tv, elite receiver, 5.1 setup (speakers aren't that impressive) sub is Hsu VTF-1. I'm mainly in it for the sub and tv.




Ok I saw the ad. Interesting.... on his post history he tried to sell it back in 08/2011(for moving reasons). Also in July of 2009 he had his set professionally calibrated.


Kind of odd for someone to be that much into HT to just stop watching TV.....either way jump on that deal.
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Picked it all up yesterday. I will be selling at least two of the Mirage speakers as they just won't work in my setup (as much as I'd love tower surrounds).

Excited to get the TV's swapped!
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I would have beaten you to it if I didn't have to go out of town this week. I'm jealous, you're quite lucky.
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Picked it all up yesterday. I will be selling at least two of the Mirage speakers as they just won't work in my setup (as much as I'd love tower surrounds).

Excited to get the TV's swapped!


Sounds like a great deal. How is the TV?
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Sounds like a great deal. How is the TV?

It's been a horrible day, so it didn't get switched. It's sitting on the floor now, just waiting to hit the wall. I want to hook it up to either the directv receiver or the Elite receiver (two HDM outs) and compare the two directly. Not sure if I will get the chance to do that.
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The 2013 models (VT/ZT) should provide an equivalent picture to the 6020FD (maybe better with the enhanced calibration controls). The choice is easy.
Agreed
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The kuro goes (much brighter) has better processing. Better quality components, no banding issues, no real ABL issues to speak of, less lag. Imo probably better build quality. Black level 'probably' roughly equal.

The Panasonic has better calibration control built in
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^Ken Ross didn't like the ABL on his 151FD, so that is clearly a problem that is in the eye of the beholder. If the new VT/ZT are worse at ABL, that's quite a revelation.
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Some seem to be VERY susceptible to ABL, and not even the vaunted Kuro was enough to keep them satisfied. I'm just looking for proof that the new Panasonic line is worse since you brought up ABL as a selling point for the Kuro. As for the brightness comparisons, that would be inconsequential in a room with controlled lighting, and it still remains to be seen just how negatively the PQ is affected, but the VT can get above 40 fL. Better quality components wouldn't surprise me, but it's still speculation. I don't know about the lag differences, but the Panasonics are pretty fast in that regard (23 ms as measured by David McKenzie) while I read a recent measurement of 40 for the Kuro (unclear which model).
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id still take a 65" VT 60 over any kuro

The measurements are so small you cant even tell the difference and has been proven on the HD shootout

The 2013 panny line exceeds the old kuro in reference quality

unless you have the hook up to enter the kuro software like D-NICE and calibrate your set , its not worth buying a kuro now
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