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I need a new TV for a living room that gets marginal natural light. We will sit 12-15' away from the TV when viewing. What is the best TV or what TV would you go buy between 65"-85" under $5000 if you had to pick?
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I need a new TV for a living room that gets marginal natural light. We will sit 12-15' away from the TV when viewing. What is the best TV or what TV would you go buy between 65"-85" under $5000 if you had to pick?

The ZT60:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474480/official-zt60-owners-thread/540#post_23402013

The VT60:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/2430#post_23401974

The F8500:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk

Any one of these FP's would be a stellar option. The ZT & VT come in 65" options and the F8500 comes in a 64." If performance truly is king for you, then these are surely your best options. If you're going for sheer size, Sharp makes some solid 80" options. (Check out the LC-80LE857, or the LC-80LE757)

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472028/which-display-wins-the-shootout-lets-have-some-fun-make-your-predictions-here

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65". ZT60

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Crap, wife says that's too much, my new limit is $2500. :/

That being said, does that Samsung have a younger brother?
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Crap, wife says that's too much, my new limit is $2500. :/

That being said, does that Samsung have a younger brother?

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I wold then go with the ST60. Best TV for the money.
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I wold then go with the ST60. Best TV for the money.
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Best TV on the market when value is a consideration.

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I do have to be honest avoid Panasonic like the plague people here love them, I fell for it too I bought the ST50. The image retention was so bad Panasonic had it replaced the new TV was fine for 3 months and then boom, the image retention returned I mean watching something for 10 minutes would leave IR for the next 3 or 4 hours. I have seen many people here say they don't have that problem when in fact they do have it they just don't care, many people here think if they don't mind no one else should either. Take that 2500 and buy a 60 F8500 and be happy, that's what I did after I got my refund from Panasonic.

Another problem I had with Panasonic was white was never white but, I was suckered in by all the people here and on cnet telling me the picture was perfect when in fact it was not. I also calibrate my own TV now which I highly recommend
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BTW before anyone comes to start a fight I am just giving the OP my personal experience I know god himself anointed your Panasonic IR free for life even when you game for 42 hours in a row, you are more than welcome to tell that story so lets not fight and call names.
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Those "suckered in" include almost every organization that reviews and/or tests TV.

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For sitting 12-15' away, I'm thinking at least a 70" screen would be nice. Unfortunately, plasmas top out at 65".
Considering the OP's budget of $2500, I'm thinking a Sharp or Sony 70" LED.

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Those "suckered in" include almost every organization that reviews and/or tests TV.

Yes it does I thought I mentioned that in my original post, it seems like the only thing the pros care about is black level. I have heard many "PROS" say has long as the picture is black and there is nothing white around you your eyes will tell your brain that off white is white

I would much rather have a TV that can display black and true white without needing to trick my eyes into believing bright grey is white.
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Yes it does I thought I mentioned that in my original post, it seems like the only thing the pros care about is black level. I have heard many "PROS" say has long as the picture is black and there is nothing white around you your eyes will tell your brain that off white is white

I would much rather have a TV that can display black and true white without needing to trick my eyes into believing bright grey is white.
True white is a misnomer, as the limitation in whiteness perception is related to how bright a set can or cannot get. This extra brightness might be enough to appeal to some folks (like yourself), but it is no alternative to deep blacks for others (like myself), and the VT/ZT60s are superior in that department.
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True white is a misnomer, as the limitation in whiteness perception is related to how bright a set can or cannot get. This extra brightness might be enough to appeal to some folks (like yourself), but it is no alternative to deep blacks for others (like myself), and the VT/ZT60s are superior in that department.

First off true white is not a misnomer I and everyone who has ever bought or seen a white T-shirt knows what white looks like, you prefer the deep blacks I have no problem with that but do not sir for one second try and tell me true white is not known or reproducible in a TV. True white has existed since has far back has I can remember if you would like I will take a picture of me holding a white shirt next to my TV displaying a White shirt. I am not telling you your black is not black even though it is not, simply turn the TV off to see the difference for yourself, so do not tell me or anyone else that true white is a misnomer.
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You are not the king of this forum, chief, so don't condescend me by trying to establish limits of what is allowable speech in the forum. I didn't say true white is not capable of being reproduced in TVs (in fact, I would argue that the majority of, if not all, TVs manufactured for the last near decade have this capability), just that your perception of what is a true white can be clouded by limitations of plasma technology courtesy of ABL (automatic brightness limiter) circuitry to protect the panel from overheating. Note this reduces the brightness but not the ability of the panel to display true white. This doesn't mean the panel is not capable of producing true white, just that the brightness is not reaching your level of anticipation derived from presumably being accustomed to LCD panel brightness.

And why bring black into this? I never made the claim that any plasma panel has yet reached absolute black, only that the VT/ZT60 (and the Kuros more so) are as black as plasma gets.
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How do you know that whoever created the content you're watching has the same definition of so-called "true white" as you?

Adjusting settings according to personal preference is not calibration.
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I do have to be honest avoid Panasonic like the plague people here love them, I fell for it too I bought the ST50. The image retention was so bad Panasonic had it replaced the new TV was fine for 3 months and then boom, the image retention returned I mean watching something for 10 minutes would leave IR for the next 3 or 4 hours. I have seen many people here say they don't have that problem when in fact they do have it they just don't care, many people here think if they don't mind no one else should either. Take that 2500 and buy a 60 F8500 and be happy, that's what I did after I got my refund from Panasonic.

Another problem I had with Panasonic was white was never white but, I was suckered in by all the people here and on cnet telling me the picture was perfect when in fact it was not. I also calibrate my own TV now which I highly recommend
With a post like this right out of the gate, you obviously came in looking for a fight. I like how your bad experience with Panasonic automatically invalidates the good experience of others and is a predictor of how the 2013 panels will behave.
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You are not the king of this forum, chief, so don't condescend me by trying to establish limits of what is allowable speech in the forum. I didn't say true white is not capable of being reproduced in TVs (in fact, I would argue that the majority of, if not all, TVs manufactured for the last near decade have this capability), just that your perception of what is a true white can be clouded by limitations of plasma technology courtesy of ABL (automatic brightness limiter) circuitry to protect the panel from overheating. Note this reduces the brightness but not the ability of the panel to display true white. This doesn't mean the panel is not capable of producing true white, just that the brightness is not reaching your level of anticipation derived from presumably being accustomed to LCD panel brightness.

And why bring black into this? I never made the claim that any plasma panel has yet reached absolute black, only that the VT/ZT60 (and the Kuros more so) are as black as plasma gets.

Oh I am so sorry I did not know only you had the license to condescend, you must be king of this forum either that, or you need to pull your head out of your ass. You have 100 times the amount of posts I do but yet only 10 times the amount of thumbs up someone likes to see his words on the shiny screen don't they.
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How do you know that whoever created the content you're watching has the same definition of so-called "true white" as you?

See that report below it means I calibrated my TV to display content the way it was meant to be displayed, so that is how I know thanks for the question.
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With a post like this right out of the gate, you obviously came in looking for a fight. I like how your bad experience with Panasonic automatically invalidates the good experience of others and is a predictor of how the 2013 panels will behave.

No no, not my experience the 500 posts from people having the same issues is what invalidates the good experience you and you cult have with the Pagan God you worship called Panasonic stare at its glorious blacks has the horrible IR that everyone can see disappears has the magical darkness surrounds you.

I SIR CHOOSE THE LIGHT!
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Troll alert, and now you want to measure thumbs up ratios? You, "sir," are about as petty as they come. This is where one comes to discuss AV (and occasionally S) and share experiences with the devices (and software) that comprise this expensive hobby.

Also, I don't worship pagan gods (but I have great respect for Pioneer and how far ahead they were of the competition 5 years ago). I never owned a Panasonic until this year, and after watching a snowboarding documentary just yesterday, not ONCE did I wish the snow was whiter, nor have I noticed any stubborn IR (if you did some due diligence, you would see that, so far, the 2013 lineup is seemingly less susceptible to IR than last year's models).
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I have a kuro and a st50 and I have never had a problem with ir.
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Troll alert, and now you want to measure thumbs up ratios? You, "sir," are about as petty as they come. This is where one comes to discuss AV (and occasionally S) and share experiences with the devices (and software) that comprise this expensive hobby.

Also, I don't worship pagan gods (but I have great respect for Pioneer and how far ahead they were of the competition 5 years ago). I never owned a Panasonic until this year, and after watching a snowboarding documentary just yesterday, not ONCE did I wish the snow was whiter, nor have I noticed any stubborn IR (if you did some due diligence, you would see that, so far, the 2013 lineup is seemingly less susceptible to IR than last year's models).

I know you don't want the snow any whiter you happen to be one of those rare yellow snow fellows, good for you let no one tell you other wise.
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I know you don't want the snow any whiter you happen to be one of those rare yellow snow fellows, good for you let no one tell you other wise.

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No no, not my experience the 500 posts from people having the same issues is what invalidates the good experience you and you cult have.

I SIR CHOOSE THE LIGHT!

I don't mean to intrude but ..Wow, are you seriously that bitter towards anyone that likes a more natural detailed picture? And for you to say 500 post from people having the same issue, C'mon just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean they are all like that. That's like saying the girlfriend I just dumped will be same as the next one. I own both plasma and LCD.
I've had my plasma for over a year now and don't have any IR problems whatsoever and kills my LCD in picture quality. We aren't a cult, just stating the facts and experience with our sets.. As for whites being yellow, that makes me laugh. Just curious what TV do you own that you rave so much about?

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He has a Samsung F8500 according to his first incendiary post in this thread. Those who haven't succumbed to his will are stupid and blind.
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