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post #1 of 12 Old 06-20-2013, 03:40 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi guys!

One my friends visited a Panasonic store and since then he is absolutely convinced that panasonic professional displays are much better than the consumer ones. I don't know what the sales manager put in his head, but he says that everything in PRO display is better than in the regular VT50/VT60. I looked at the specifications and in almost every parameter VT50/60 is better than any of PRO displays.

Here is a link to Panasonic professional displays - http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/index.asp and their top 65-inch display is http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/TH-65PF30U.asp.

Personally I doubt that anything can beat VT50/60. But my friend is just so stubborn and his main arguments are "more expensive means better" and "PRO is made for pro's and that already means better".

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Pro displays are built for professional applications. Here in Pittsburgh at the NBC station, WPXI, they are using 2 103 inch Panasonic plasma in their news studio behind the anchors on either side. They are limited in the number of devices you can connect to them - you can buy boards that slide into the set to give you different connection options. They also draw more current. They are expensive. The only advantage to a business plasma panel is that you can buy one larger than 65 inches, and they have warranties up to three years.

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6-10 years ago the Pro models were indeed better than the consumer models in many respects and they were also cheaper, but nowadays they're basically glorified information signs and giant PC monitors and are no longer advantageous to use as home theater displays compared to the consumer models. They use the previous generation's core plasma panel, the number of inputs has been reduced, they don't have the louver filter etc.

Some reasons why they cost more than a consumer model is because they're not typically sold at the retail level so they don't have to be price-competitive (businesses and government agencies don't haggle pricing like private consumers do), and the Pro models are made in much much smaller numbers where the consumer models are manufactured in much much higher volumes. The contractors i sell structured cabling to that install displays in corporate offices and defense contractor buildings etc have been gravitating to regular consumer models in recent years instead of Pro models.

Challenge your friend to detail exactly how the Pro models are better than an ST60 or VT60 and see what he comes up with wink.gif
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myoda and RandyWalters - thank you for answers! Your replies are truly very important because somehow in the whole Internet I did not find any information regarding using PRO Panasonic displays at home as a TV or as a display for Home Theater. I am sure that if PRO displays despite higher price had something better than consumer displays they would be installed thousands of times and there would be a topic here on the forum where rich guys own these expensive but best displays.

I read almost everything Panasonic put on their webiste and I can assume that these displays are just built to match tough conditions of work and specific technical requirements, but in no way are built to be better and deliver higher quality picture than consumer displays.

Unfortunately at the place I live in (4 million people city smile.gif ) there is no place where I can see PF30 and VT60 side by side. Though local Panasonic representative is saying that PRO displays are made for gods and in absolutely everything they are better and higher quality than consumer displays. His main argument - PRO displays have a different panel. He can't explain what kind of panel, but the main word is "different" and this word together with "PRO" means "better", period.
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The pro division is an entirely different company from the consumer division within Panasonic. They may indeed have different panels. Spec wise though, the pro panels are on par with a S60 as far as picture quality goes, same levels of gradation. You get slightly more color control options. The more expensive models may have a AR filter. Of course, the 3D IR receivers costs about $500, so by default, they're really expensive S60's. Oh yes, and NO SMART FEATURES. They're probably more responsive displays.

However, they're probably built a hell of a lot better, and I don't doubt the panel is different.

Let me put it this way. At the bank I go to, I've seen Samsung industrial plasmas on display. They look pretty good, but they look like any other plasma, they still have line bleed and IR, so there isn't really anything to stand out vs a regular consumer model.
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The best thing about Panasonic PRO plasmas is that you can turn off ABL limiter and probably comes with beefier power supply. This is an excellent feature if you watch live content like sports etc.
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Yeah a 3 year old thread!

Pros are simply better built, and will likely last longer. This is important especially for craigslist purchase, and for die-hard plasma fans who want their set to last as long as possible

They also have RGB high/low adjustments directly in the user menu, so calibrating the grayscale is easier, if one wants to keep the set calibrated throughout its useful life.

I own 4 of these sets and they look stunning after calibration, even the one with 20k hours on it. Did I mention they are built like a tank?

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6-10 years ago the Pro models were indeed better than the consumer models in many respects and they were also cheaper, but nowadays they're basically glorified information signs and giant PC monitors and are no longer advantageous to use as home theater displays compared to the consumer models. They use the previous generation's core plasma panel, the number of inputs has been reduced, they don't have the louver filter etc.

Some reasons why they cost more than a consumer model is because they're not typically sold at the retail level so they don't have to be price-competitive (businesses and government agencies don't haggle pricing like private consumers do), and the Pro models are made in much much smaller numbers where the consumer models are manufactured in much much higher volumes. The contractors i sell structured cabling to that install displays in corporate offices and defense contractor buildings etc have been gravitating to regular consumer models in recent years instead of Pro models.

Challenge your friend to detail exactly how the Pro models are better than an ST60 or VT60 and see what he comes up with
In which respects? I have the Panasonic commercial plasma from 2004, and other than a smaller size leading to showing of less detail, the picture quality rivals that of my 64" Samsung 8500.
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In which respects? I have the Panasonic commercial plasma from 2004, and other than a smaller size leading to showing of less detail, the picture quality rivals that of my 64" Samsung 8500.
In which respects? You're saying that the 04 commercial Panasonic, is smaller, and yet, has less detail then your larger late model consumer grade Samsung.


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6-10 years ago the Pro models were indeed better than the consumer models in many respects and they were also cheaper, but nowadays they're basically glorified information signs and giant PC monitors and are no longer advantageous to use as home theater displays compared to the consumer models. They use the previous generation's core plasma panel, the number of inputs has been reduced, they don't have the louver filter etc.

Some reasons why they cost more than a consumer model is because they're not typically sold at the retail level so they don't have to be price-competitive (businesses and government agencies don't haggle pricing like private consumers do), and the Pro models are made in much much smaller numbers where the consumer models are manufactured in much much higher volumes. The contractors i sell structured cabling to that install displays in corporate offices and defense contractor buildings etc have been gravitating to regular consumer models in recent years instead of Pro models.

Challenge your friend to detail exactly how the Pro models are better than an ST60 or VT60 and see what he comes up with
In which respects? I have the Panasonic commercial plasma from 2004, and other than a smaller size leading to showing of less detail, the picture quality rivals that of my 64" Samsung 8500.
My Dad has a TH-65PF10UK which is a great TV, but it should not rival a F8500, especially in black level. It is built like a tank and produces a great picture but poor blacks (for a modern plasma at least) and lack of a AR filter make it inferior to newer plasmas with regard to overall PQ.
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To those who are still fans of Plasma after 2013...

Panasonic PROFESSIONAL 1080p Plasmas from 2010-2011-2012 is doubleplusgood because high light output without negative effects of ABL (ABL can be toggled on or off)
This is very good if you're into video gaming, watching anime and hockey.

2013 Panasonic PROFESSIONAL 3D 1080p plasma is doubleplusungood because ABL cannot be turned off.

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