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post #181 of 205 Old 08-23-2013, 11:29 AM
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What is the approximate gaming input lag for the F8500 in game mode with any unnecessary extra processing turned off anyway ?

Believe its around 45-55 milliseconds if you rename the input to PC
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Believe its around 45-55 milliseconds if you rename the input to PC

Which BTW is 1/20th of a second correct?

If your game is 30FPS thats about 1.5 frames behind, if its 60 FPS thats about 3 frames behind.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think any serious hard core gamer would ever consider gaming on any of the Panasonic, Samsung or Pioneer TV:s, right? The best gaming monitors of 2013 I believe has around 5 ms of input lag and that is WAY better than any TV AFAIK.
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All three great TV's when come picture Quality,the Poineer-141 is just made better,from experience from zt-60 and Samsung 8500 they prone to burn in's,so if you buy one get a extended warranty if the store you are buying from will cover it,and like plasma TV's better then LED-LCD TV's,when calibrated Plasma TV's has best natural color and skin tones and motion blur I watch a lot sports and news and some movies and football season is here now I cant stand watching sports on my LED tv, I hope Panasonic,samsung do something about burn-in's.
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All three great TV's when come picture Quality,the Poineer-141 is just made better,from experience from zt-60 and Samsung 8500 they prone to burn in's,so if you buy one get a extended warranty if the store you are buying from will cover it,and like plasma TV's better then LED-LCD TV's,when calibrated Plasma TV's has best natural color and skin tones and motion blur I watch a lot sports and news and some movies and football season is here now I cant stand watching sports on my LED tv, I hope Panasonic,samsung do something about burn-in's.

Have had my F8500 for 2 weeks now, no "break in slides", max brightness and no pixel orbiter (disabled in screen fit mode) and so far not even more than very temporary IR. And I am not a plasma fanboy either, a year ago I wouldn't have even considered a plasma (well, at least never bought one anyway)
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What is a plasma fanboy exactly? Five years ago, I wouldn't have considered one either, but then I heard about the Kuro, and I simply couldn't ignore it any longer.
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Have had my F8500 for 2 weeks now, no "break in slides", max brightness and no pixel orbiter (disabled in screen fit mode) and so far not even more than very temporary IR. And I am not a plasma fanboy either, a year ago I wouldn't have even considered a plasma (well, at least never bought one anyway)

I've had temporary IR on my 8500, but most people wouldn't see it. However, being anal, I see it. My wife likes a lot of programming on USA and that channel is a horrific offender of the burning channel logo syndrome. I've encouraged her to watch that channel on our Sharp Elite...hell, she can watch it 24/7 on that set for all I care. Try that on any plasma and you've got an issue. Yes, I don't find IR to be a deal-break on the 8500, but that's not to say you can ignore your viewing habits either.

IR remains a weakness of plasma TVs and that's too bad given the outstanding picture on the 8500 and some other plasmas.

But the truth is, I am simply not as 'care-free' about watching TV as I am on my Sharp Elite. It just amazes me that to this day we still have deniers of the IR problem, claiming it's no longer an issue. Nonsense, It is an issue and still demands somewhat different viewing habits from an LED TV.
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What is a plasma fanboy exactly? Five years ago, I wouldn't have considered one either, but then I heard about the Kuro, and I simply couldn't ignore it any longer.
Even this day Pioneer141 still best tv,it's too bad they not making them anymore
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Scott. Did you get a chance to compare them in a normal room also?

I imagine a lot of AVS members do have a dedicated dark room to watch TV in,.. but I am not so fortunate (and I really don't like watching anything other than a large front projection in a dark room).

I have windows and a sky-light in my great room, which is where I do my TV watching, especially on weekends when I watch the Formula One races and football..

I have read that in such a room (vast majority of users) that the Samsung is superior. Any thoughts?

I was at the local Best Buy Magnolia today and was able to rig up an antenna to 65" versions of the VT, ZT and 8500 Sammy while they had the football game on. The feed was pretty bad and the sets were not calibrated,.. so it was hard to tell. None of them looked like they were as good as my old Sony rear projection KDSR60XBR1. But I'm guessing they take a big leap foreward with a proper calibration.
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Think it was in a light controlled environment afaik. But it would have been 123... Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic. Going by light output capabilities if had been demoed in bright/normal room too. I believe the pro Panasonic (VX100) was the highest light output in an accurate sense of the word plasma in recent times until the Samsung F8500 came along - with 9G's just behind that pro Pana.
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I was desperately trying to make the Panasonic ZT my first buying choice. After reading all the reviews, I was convinced i had to buy this TV.

What completely changed my mind is when i tried the active 3d. The image became even darker than it was without glasses.

The quality of the 3d was good, but way too dark. I felt i was in a cave with candle lighting.

Has anybody seen the passive 3d on the new Sony XBR 4k? The 2d to 3d conversion blew me away. The clarity and color reproduction on this tv also blew me away.

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I was desperately trying to make the Panasonic ZT my first buying choice. After reading all the reviews, I was convinced i had to buy this TV.
What completely changed my mind is when i tried the active 3d. The image became even darker than it was without glasses.
The quality of the 3d was good, but way too dark. I felt i was in a cave with candle lighting.
Has anybody seen the passive 3d on the new Sony XBR 4k? The 2d to 3d conversion blew me away. The clarity and color reproduction on this tv also blew me away.

Was the ZT calibrated or are you offering us another in-store review? The 3D mode is one that may benefit the most from a calibration. I would also suggest if you are a big fan of 3D to give the Samsung 8500 a look. No one over here is going to be a fan of the way overpriced Sony 4k XBR or LED/LCD for that matter when seeking a reference quality display - and I own an older XBR so I am not a Sony hater. wink.gif
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It was calibrated but in a normally bright room. 

I'm not comparing prices, I'm comparing 3d quality and image clarity.

If the Sony costs more or less has nothing to do with what I see and interpret.

The tv image is darker than most tv's I have seen. The lens on the 3d glasses is also dark, which makes it worse.

Most living rooms have windows. I live in Florida where there is extra sunshine. The Panasonic plasmas are not a good choice for Florida living rooms, especially for afternoon viewing.

The samsung 8500 is somewhat brighter I hear. I have not spent much time with it apart from an in store visit.

I have spent about 4 hours with the ZT though.

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The Panasonic's 3D settings can be adjusted to make a much brighter and better picture.

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I heard that the ZT Buzzes? Is that something you have heard?
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Every plasma buzzes to an extent. My Kuros did it, the ZTs do it. The brighter the content, the more noticeable the buzz (but only if you're within a few feet and/or the room is silent). You are much more likely to hear the passage of air (courtesy of the fans) than you are buzz.
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I heard the problem was really bad I sit only 6 feet away from the screen!

 

Maybe I should get this instead!

 

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Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think any serious hard core gamer would ever consider gaming on any of the Panasonic, Samsung or Pioneer TV:s, right? The best gaming monitors of 2013 I believe has around 5 ms of input lag and that is WAY better than any TV AFAIK.
Plasma is capable of low latency, for example the Panasonic PF30 and PF50 input is lower than 10 milliseconds which is less than one frame
If you are looking for the quickest plasma for gaming I suggest there is nothing faster than PF50
I have compiled a list of models because I am planning a setup guide which will cover using a HTPC as a video processor

North America(U) / Europe(E) / United Kingdom(ER) / Japan(J) / Asia, Oceania, Middle East, South America(W)
42PF50U, 42PF50E, 42PF50ER, 42PF50J, 42PF50W 42"
50PF50U, 50PF50E, 50PF50ER, 50PF50J, 50PF50W 50"
60PF50U, 60PF50E, 60PF50ER, 60PF50J, 60PF50W 60"
65PF50U, 65PF50E, 65PF50ER, 65PF50J, 65PF50W 65"

All those models default to the full RGB colorspace when you input DVI from your computer
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Can someone in the know help me out here. Just received my 55" VT60. Have it hung on the wall running the photo break in. Can I cover just the front of the TV with a sheet or something, I know the back has to breathe. We have a 55" WT IPS sitting on a stand on the floor in front of the VT for use until the two week break in is over. My wife is driving me crazy about the VT's break in. Gives her headaches while trying to watch the other TV? I know, I know, a new later model wife is not in the budget. smile.gif
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Why are you going thru all that ? Watch the new tv. Just use conservative settings and vary your content for the first 100 hours or so. Unless you are planning on using Dnice's settings slides are not required.

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Cannot believe this thread is still going. One of the tv's in the comparison had been through virtually billions of pulses.

A full factory reset (new for new) and re-calibration would have been much more suitable if referring to the 141 monitor display.

No disrespect intended.
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My PN64F8500 arrives tomorrow, then I can put my 2 cents worth in after breakin and calibration.
Next, I think one person mentioned it, but no one appears to have made anything of it.
#1. All calibrated to 35Fl - this I can agree on since it puts then all on an equal footing.
#2. BUT, we're not on an equal footing! We're comparing 2 Panasonic 65" Plasmas to a Samsung 60" Plasma
#3. Would like to see the same comparison today with the current bug fixed upgraded versions, and ALL the same size.
#4. No mention on how many hours were on each set. (Will have to assume the Pioneer has quite a few.) All new sets out of the Box? Breakin done?
Just my 2 cents worth for now.
(Panasonics in Canada out of the Picture - Too Pricey - ST 65 - $2400 VT 65 - $4000 ZT 65 - $5000 - my PN65F8500 - $3199.99 - sure makes it easier to choose.)
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My PN65F8500 arrives tomorrow, then I can put my 2 cents worth in after breakin and calibration.

I'm so jealous! You're one of the very few who were able to secure one of the infamous 65" F8500's! All us poor sods have to live with our baby 64"ers :'( *Size Envy!*
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I'm so jealous! You're one of the very few who were able to secure one of the infamous 65" F8500's! All us poor sods have to live with our baby 64"ers :'( *Size Envy!*

It's from viewing the heading to this Forum all the time with the 65" Panasonics!
The 64" PN64F8500 is now going through it's break in period.
Glad I didn't go with the Panasonics from all the IR reports I'm hearing. Also easier to make the Samsung decision when the Canadian Distributors are vastly over pricing the VT 65" ($4000) and ZT 65" ($5000) - the Samsung was only $3199.99 including delivery and setup. (Canadians also don't get access to the IR Remote either - had to purchase from Florida. Plus no extended warranty for registering - MC gives me an extra year, and Costco's Extended Warranty and additional 3 for $99)

Actually the 64" is 64.25" - that extra quarter " will get you every time!

Fixes: Canadians DO get the Extra 3 Months Warranty for Registering, but no IR Remote. COSTCO's extended warranty in Canada applies only to TVs bought from Costco.
Currently trying to find some better 3D Glasses: Xpand - Pros - Big Lenses and brighter PQ than the Samsungs that came with the unit. Cons - eye strain watching any movement on the screen, after 30 minutes, glasses seem to clamp onto your face and won't let go. (Uncomfortable) Samsungs - Pros - No noticeable eye strain, fits OK over my prescription glasses, but lets side light in. Doesn't bother me, but wife finds this annoying. Cons - Lens frames are in your view, darker PQ, loose fitting. Have some 3D glasses coming in from the UK, will see how they work out.
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^Not exactly, both models are 60 inches.
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