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kjcramer 07-24-2013 11:40 AM

SO I sold my 65" VT50 because I wanted to go larger with an LED (I know, I know *dumb*). After hating a couple LED sets I'm going back to a Plasma. My question is how much difference is there between these 2 sets compared to a VT50? The ST60 looks to be about $1000 less right now than the VT60. Is there that much difference in overall picture quality? I know there are threads comparing these 2 sets, but not directly with the VT50. The room it lives in is pretty bright during the day which is another reason I was considering LED. Even my VT50 wasn't great for daytime viewing but certainly acceptable.

Any insight would be appreciated, thanks!

chunon 07-24-2013 12:09 PM

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SO I sold my 65" VT50 because I wanted to go larger with an LED (I know, I know *dumb*). After hating a couple LED sets I'm going back to a Plasma. My question is how much difference is there between these 2 sets compared to a VT50? The ST60 looks to be about $1000 less right now than the VT60. Is there that much difference in overall picture quality? I know there are threads comparing these 2 sets, but not directly with the VT50. The room it lives in is pretty bright during the day which is another reason I was considering LED. Even my VT50 wasn't great for daytime viewing but certainly acceptable.

Any insight would be appreciated, thanks!

The ST60 is going to be brighter, 3d is superior on the Vt60, gaming lag much better. Slower onboard processor on the ST60 if that is a factor. Full CMS on VT60 partial on ST60, both calibrate very well.

kjcramer 07-24-2013 12:28 PM

Brighter than the VT50? That's good to hear. Don't care about gaming for this set, and rarely watch 3D so it sounds like a great value. I hate stepping down from what I had, but the ST looks like a great value.

Just wish they made plasmas larger than 65" rolleyes.gif

chunon 07-24-2013 12:36 PM

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Yes I believe it is brighter than the VT50, the ST50 was brighter than the VT50 also. It definitely gets brighter than the VT60. Its less of a step down than it was last year, they added all the VT50 controls with the exception of the CMS for the secondarys. I have seen some of the ST60 calibrations and they look very good. The gap between the ST and VT lines is much narrower this year.

ab2ab 07-24-2013 12:49 PM

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Yes I believe it is brighter than the VT50, the ST50 was brighter than the VT50 also. It definitely gets brighter than the VT60. Its less of a step down than it was last year, they added all the VT50 controls with the exception of the CMS for the secondarys. I have seen some of the ST60 calibrations and they look very good. The gap between the ST and VT lines is much narrower this year.

Would you happen to know if there is a picture quality improvement with the VT60 over the ST60? And, where does the VT50 fall in mix in the PQ category? Additionally, which model handles SD content from OTA cable and DVD sources the best? By the way, I have absolutely zero interest in 3D or so-called "smart" features. Thank you!

BBS G35 07-24-2013 01:09 PM

If your room is pretty bright during the day why not consider a F8500

rahzel 07-24-2013 01:15 PM

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Would you happen to know if there is a picture quality improvement with the VT60 over the ST60? And, where does the VT50 fall in mix in the PQ category? Additionally, which model handles SD content from OTA cable and DVD sources the best? By the way, I have absolutely zero interest in 3D or so-called "smart" features. Thank you!
The VT60 has very slightly better blacks and color accuracy after calibration compared to the ST60. On the plus side, the ST60 is brighter than both the VT60 and VT50, however the VT60 has a better screen filter. The main drawbacks of the ST60 are 3D and input lag... other than that, it is a VERY good value. Both the VT60 and ST60 are better than the VT50.
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If your room is pretty bright during the day why not consider a F8500
The ST60 can get bright enough for most rooms. Unless you have very large windows with no window treatment, it should be fine. The F8500 can nearly reach LCD brightness and has a better filter than the ST60 though. It also costs a lot more.

Blacks: VT60 > ST60 > F8500 > VT50
Color: VT60/VT50 > ST60/F8500 (splitting hairs here)
Brightness: F8500 > ST60 > VT50 > VT60
Price (high to low): F8500 > VT60 > ST60

kjcramer 07-24-2013 03:13 PM

I've always been happy with Panasonic quality and the F8500 is much more expensive, that's why ST vs. VT for me.

TheAnswer_03 07-24-2013 03:30 PM

Can anyone compare the speaker/sound quality btw the ST60 and VT60?

gbmannc 07-24-2013 05:20 PM

Picture quality wise, st60 is about equal to vt50.

rahzel 07-24-2013 05:51 PM

^The ST60 is a bit better... black levels are noticeably darker (0.0016 vs 0.002) and color is essentially the same.
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Can anyone compare the speaker/sound quality btw the ST60 and VT60?
I believe they use the same speakers.

ab2ab 07-24-2013 06:45 PM

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The VT60 has very slightly better blacks and color accuracy after calibration compared to the ST60. On the plus side, the ST60 is brighter than both the VT60 and VT50, however the VT60 has a better screen filter. The main drawbacks of the ST60 are 3D and input lag... other than that, it is a VERY good value. Both the VT60 and ST60 are better than the VT50.
The ST60 can get bright enough for most rooms. Unless you have very large windows with no window treatment, it should be fine. The F8500 can nearly reach LCD brightness and has a better filter than the ST60 though. It also costs a lot more.

Blacks: VT60 > ST60 > F8500 > VT50
Color: VT60/VT50 > ST60/F8500 (splitting hairs here)
Brightness: F8500 > ST60 > VT50 > VT60
Price (high to low): F8500 > VT60 > ST60
Thanks Rahzel, that's the kind of insight I was looking for! I'll pass on the VT50 and will likely compare the ST60 & F8500 in my home when I get a chance. Thanks! smile.gif

TWD 07-24-2013 07:06 PM

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^The ST60 is a bit better... black levels are noticeably darker (0.0016 vs 0.002) and color is essentially the same.
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Can anyone compare the speaker/sound quality btw the ST60 and VT60?
I believe they use the same speakers.

The speakers are not the same. The VT60 offers the best sound in the Panasonic line up. Regarding the black level, everything I've read has the ST60 coming in at .0021/22.

rahzel 07-24-2013 07:45 PM

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The speakers are not the same. The VT60 offers the best sound in the Panasonic line up.
What makes the VT60 better? These links don't say anything that would indicate that it's any better:
http://www.panasonic.net/avc/viera/us2013_comparison/index.html#plasma
https://panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/plasma/st60_specs2013.asp
https://panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/plasma/vt60_zt60_specs2013.asp
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Regarding the black level, everything I've read has the ST60 coming in at .0021/22.
D-Nice, David Mackenzie, and other members here at AVS have all measured ~0.0016fL. D-Nice and David both use Klein K-10 colorimeters...one of the most accurate meters at low luminance. Adrian uses a D3 colorimeter, accurate down to 0.001.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450484/official-panasonic-tc-pxxst60-series-thread/7050#post_23557495
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread#post_23157979
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm

smurraybhm 07-24-2013 08:01 PM

Seriously going to try to say the ST speakers are equal in sound quality to the VT? Have you read the comments of the owners of these two displays?

No one disputes the the ST is a great value, but every reputable review states the VT and ZT outperform the ST - you just have to decide if that difference is worth the premium. For some of yes and others no.

smurraybhm 07-24-2013 08:06 PM

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57589190-221/which-panasonic-plasma-tv-should-you-buy/

This link may help as well.

rahzel 07-24-2013 08:06 PM

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Seriously going to try to say the ST speakers are equal in sound quality to the VT? Have you read the comments of the owners of these two displays?

No one disputes the the ST is a great value, but every reputable review states the VT and ZT outperform the ST - you just have to decide if that difference is worth the premium. For some of yes and others no.
I wasn't really disputing anything, I was seriously asking. This is one area that I couldn't care less about so I don't read much into it. I just assumed they were the same because they were last year, and the specs seem to indicate that they are the same again. But I stand corrected if that is the case.

edit: thanks for the link. smile.gif

edit2: ahh, so it has the same drivers, processing and wattage, but they're front facing on the VT60. that makes a big difference.

smurraybhm 07-24-2013 08:22 PM

Sorry - the most significant difference regarding the speakers is the VT has speakers mounted on the front left and right side while the ST's are located on the backside pointing down. Thus the VT sound advantage unless we are going to start talking about the old Bose speaker designs and how well they worked smile.gif

josserman 09-02-2013 03:05 PM

Man trying to decide if the vt warrants the additional $600.

josserman 09-02-2013 03:16 PM

Screw it just ordered the vt 65 found. A great deal


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