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Okay so I could get the 8500 for about 930 and the 7100 for about 850. It's a work accommodation.

I'll basically just be gaming on it and watching tv/movies. I would say 40% games / 60% movies and tv.

1) I know the 8500 has the better PQ, it's inherent with the technology. However, I'm pretty worried about burn in/IR issues. How susceptible are they to burn in/IR currently? I know IR is still a possibility but how easy is it to run into this problem? I would imagine the increased brightness of this plasma may exasperate the problem.

2) Also I was wondering about the input lag. I read reviews clocking the 8500 at 52ms and the 7100 at 40ms. Is this a huge difference? Very noticeable?

To be honest I want the 8500 because I love the picture but does the 7100 suit my needs better?

3) Lastly, how much of a difference is 120Hz vs 240Hz? I was comparing the 6400 to the 7100 and I really can't see a discerning difference. It's possible because of the demos we run on the televisions in store. They're not very good for REALLY comparing PQ and such.

I have very good knowledge on televisions but unfortunately I have yet to own a plasma so I don't have first hand experience. I need to make a decision in the next two days so opinions and experiences would be greatly appreciated.
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Okay so I could get the 8500 for about 930 and the 7100 for about 850. It's a work accommodation.

I'll basically just be gaming on it and watching tv/movies. I would say 40% games / 60% movies and tv.

1) I know the 8500 has the better PQ, it's inherent with the technology. However, I'm pretty worried about burn in/IR issues. How susceptible are they to burn in/IR currently? I know IR is still a possibility but how easy is it to run into this problem? I would imagine the increased brightness of this plasma may exasperate the problem.

2) Also I was wondering about the input lag. I read reviews clocking the 8500 at 52ms and the 7100 at 40ms. Is this a huge difference? Very noticeable?

To be honest I want the 8500 because I love the picture but does the 7100 suit my needs better?

3) Lastly, how much of a difference is 120Hz vs 240Hz? I was comparing the 6400 to the 7100 and I really can't see a discerning difference. It's possible because of the demos we run on the televisions in store. They're not very good for REALLY comparing PQ and such.

I have very good knowledge on televisions but unfortunately I have yet to own a plasma so I don't have first hand experience. I need to make a decision in the next two days so opinions and experiences would be greatly appreciated.

That is a very good price! Nobody can tell you as it's up to you. However, if you feel like you will be playing mostly games on it, I would recommend you go with the LED.

1) IR occurs when you have static images on your screen for a long time. It goes away (I watch NFL Network and ESPN all the time with their banner on the bottom). However, if this bothers you then it's best to avoid plasma. I don't worry about IR and burn in and I use the TV just like any other. For others who baby their equipment and worry about it constantly, the aggravation is not worth it. Just go with the LED. I own the F8500 by the way.
2) Minimal difference. 1/100 of a second is the difference.
3) Minimal. Mostly marketing unless you have a golden eye. Those people exist apparently. For smooth motion, plasma trumps LED. Unless you're watching 24p and don't turn on the judder smoothing. I've gotten used to using judder smoothing and no longer see the "soap opera" effect. When I watch 24p without judder enhancement, the low frame rates seem to skip and it's distracting. It's all based on what you're used to. I say give the judder smoothing a chance and after a while, you won't go back to regular 24p.

Judder smoothing is one of the technology that takes getting used to. It makes everything look realistic and jump out at you. The "weirdness" is because your eyes are not used to it. Many turn it off because it doesn't look right. The thing is, 24p frame rates is the one that's artificial because of the low frame rate. People are just used to the weirdness of 24p movies because they grew up watching it. They prefer what they're used to even though it's unnatural.
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That is a very good price! Nobody can tell you as it's up to you. However, if you feel like you will be playing mostly games on it, I would recommend you go with the LED.

1) IR occurs when you have static images on your screen for a long time. It goes away (I watch NFL Network and ESPN all the time with their banner on the bottom). However, if this bothers you then it's best to avoid plasma. I don't worry about IR and burn in and I use the TV just like any other. For others who baby their equipment and worry about it constantly, the aggravation is not worth it. Just go with the LED. I own the F8500 by the way.
2) Minimal difference. 1/100 of a second is the difference.
3) Minimal. Mostly marketing unless you have a golden eye. Those people exist apparently. For smooth motion, plasma trumps LED. Unless you're watching 24p and don't turn on the judder smoothing. I've gotten used to using judder smoothing and no longer see the "soap opera" effect. When I watch 24p without judder enhancement, the low frame rates seem to skip and it's distracting. It's all based on what you're used to. I say give the judder smoothing a chance and after a while, you won't go back to regular 24p.

Judder smoothing is one of the technology that takes getting used to. It makes everything look realistic and jump out at you. The "weirdness" is because your eyes are not used to it. Many turn it off because it doesn't look right. The thing is, 24p frame rates is the one that's artificial because of the low frame rate. People are just used to the weirdness of 24p movies because they grew up watching it. They prefer what they're used to even though it's unnatural.

Thanks for the input, definitely appreciate it. For the reason you mentioned I was definitely leaning towards the LED despite my preference in PQ. Some new information arose that may sway me back to the plasma again though. I can put a 5 year protection on the tv for $90. This would cover almost any issue you can have with a television short of physically breaking it. Burn in is included in the protection.
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