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Read away, as close to reality as Cnet has seen;

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-kn55s9c/4505-6482_7-35823374.html?ttag=fbwp
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I could have sworn this was the plasma thread. If you read the review David states that the plasma used for comparison (Samsung 8500) held its own and he also states that he would expect the Panasonic high-end plasmas to fair slightly better in regards to black levels (not intended to start the flames, just what he said). Given the current price of OLED vs. an 8500 or ZT/VT the buying decision is an easy one. I also find it interesting that Samsung chose to use their best plasma vs. their top LED for the demonstration. That says a lot right there regarding why you should get one while you can - plasma just to be clear. Based on what I am reading I wonder if OLED prices will ever fall to the level of affordability offered by the top-of-the-line plasmas available today - screen sizes/manufacturers being equal.
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Maybe it's just me, but since the best plasmas are already probably 90% or more of OLED's performance, can be had in screen sizes that are 10'' larger, have color that is most likely just as accurate, it's a really tough sell.

Add to that no 4K, and I say ''thanks, but no thanks''. Yes, one could argue that 4K can't be appreciated in a 55'', but for $9,000 I'd want 4K too, 55'' be damned.

Then there's the issue of reliability. Not an unfair concern given the huge production issues seen during the entire OLED birthing process.

Now if someone would like to send me one..... :-)
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Not just you Ken, but my wallet wants to be included too smile.gif
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I could have sworn this was the plasma thread. If you read the review David states that the plasma used for comparison (Samsung 8500) held its own and he also states that he would expect the Panasonic high-end plasmas to fair slightly better in regards to black levels (not intended to start the flames, just what he said). Given the current price of OLED vs. an 8500 or ZT/VT the buying decision is an easy one. I also find it interesting that Samsung chose to use their best plasma vs. their top LED for the demonstration. That says a lot right there regarding why you should get one while you can - plasma just to be clear. Based on what I am reading I wonder if OLED prices will ever fall to the level of affordability offered by the top-of-the-line plasmas available today - screen sizes/manufacturers being equal.
Yes, one should not give into hyperbole, but the reviewers have also stated it's the best PQ they've ever seen, for what it's worth. 3 times the price is too rich for me, however (and at a smaller size, to boot). Bring on the flats...
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Yes, one should not give into hyperbole, but the reviewers have also stated it's the best PQ they've ever seen, for what it's worth. 3 times the price is too rich for me, however (and at a smaller size, to boot). Bring on the flats...

Where's SED when you need it (him)
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Oh no, careful who you summon.eek.gif OLED is thankfully already ahead of SED. smile.gif
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Maybe it's just me, but since the best plasmas are already probably 90% or more of OLED's performance, can be had in screen sizes that are 10'' larger, have color that is most likely just as accurate, it's a really tough sell.

Add to that no 4K, and I say ''thanks, but no thanks''. Yes, one could argue that 4K can't be appreciated in a 55'', but for $9,000 I'd want 4K too, 55'' be damned.

Then there's the issue of reliability. Not an unfair concern given the huge production issues seen during the entire OLED birthing process.

Now if someone would like to send me one..... :-)

conspiracy theory alert:

plasmas are being driven off the market to prevent savvy shoppers from not adopting the new OLED panels. this was also the main reason i made sure to spare no expense when i bought a new tv this year. i was concerned it would be my last chance to buy a plasma and did not want to be in a situation where i felt the need to upgrade and couldn't find anything worth upgrading too

but seriously, i'm sure like most display techs, it'll take a few generations before it'll be better than what it's replacing. honestly, i think CRT's were better than plasmas until kuros and the more recent vt/zt/f8500

by 2018 or 2020, the oled should 'hopefully' be mature enough that we won't have a need for lcd or plasma anymore. that's the dream anyway
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Curved screen? FAIL!
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Where's SED when you need it (him)

Amen to that. One display to rule them all. Now it seems that it will be OLED instead of SED.
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Oh no, careful who you summon.eek.gif OLED is thankfully already ahead of SED. smile.gif

It should have been the other way around if Canon didn't decide to liquidate the technology. It also would have put Toshiba on the brink.
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Yadda yadda, coulda' shoulda' woulda. Canon doesn't exactly have experience with manufacturing displays beyond the ones they outsource (or potentially manufacture) for their cameras, so there's no evidence that SED was imminently set to explode onto the scene, and that little IP suit simply finished off what was inevitable (right around the time of the imploding worldwide economy).

Why oh why did you have to bring up SED, Murray?! biggrin.gif
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Oh no, careful who you summon.eek.gif OLED is thankfully already ahead of SED. smile.gif

Sorry - Friday and I was feeling Pure Evil at work. Crap mentioned another one of my favorites smile.gif
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So... the best bet is still to buy a plasma.

People have been talking about OLED so long now that it really feels like an old technology (despite it being, in the consumer TV sense, very new). Even so, it's probably going to be a few years before OLED TVs are anything like a practical price, not to mention that there will no doubt be some bugs to work out of the system.

Buy a Panasonic now (before they disappear and become really expensive), keep it for five years, and then buy an OLED of roughly the same size hopefully for about the same price. Is that a correct assessment of the situation?

Honestly my larger concern is that the tendency for larger screens is going to kill off the small TV selection in the future: all the best features will be reserved for the high-end models, which will all be 80+"
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