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Click on the VE info Pioneer Insider has given. Robert says February for the H5000, August for the H7000.

Edit : Reading the sentence again, it's a little confusing indeed. I mean between the end of February to August or February for the H5000/August for the H7000? Either way, it looks like the H7000 will arrive on August at the latest.
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Reads like it's August for the H7000 but not sure how official that is given that there's no other information about the panel. What's interesting to me is that the page claims the H5000 is using the Real Black Pro panel from the F8500. If that's true, I wonder what the advantage of buying the H7000 or even the F8500 would be? I'm quite happy to have a plainer bezel and fewer 'smart' features if the panel performance is the same as on the higher-end models - and maybe a different bezel design will reduce the buzzing issues I had with the F8500! But Samsung's own page for the H5000 doesn't say anything about the Real Black Pro panel (compare the F8500 page): http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN64H5000AFXZA

I suppose we will have to wait for reviews to see. Luckily the H5000 seems to be coming shortly!
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hi i go the 60f5350 costco version just 4 days ago . so if i understand correctly samsung still has 2 more models of plasma until the end of this year?

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What's interesting to me is that the page claims the H5000 is using the Real Black Pro panel from the F8500. If that's true, I wonder what the advantage of buying the H7000 or even the F8500 would be?

Actually, those practices were common for Samsung a few years ago : "Develop a new anti-reflective filter and attach them to the latest products while giving last year's filters to the mid-range products"

For example, when the E8000 was released, it was equipped with latest Real Black "Pro" filter, however, the step-down E550 model got a hands-me-down Real Black filter from the D8000. Those practices were common for Panasonic too. My Panasonic S64 for example comes with the same anti-reflective filter as the ST60. The S60 originally didn't come with such filters, but Panasonic had made such models for Costco and Sam's Club from the leftover filters from the S60.

There won't be any PQ advantage for using filters used on higher end sets other than to combat reflections better. My S64 is still the same good old S60, nowhere near coming close to the ST60. The H5000 will still be a F5300 derivative, NOT the F8500.
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I suppose the difference is that it seemed like Samsung was not doing any new R&D on plasmas this year. I understood the H7000 is intended to be a stripped down F8500, which might have some minor improvements but I wouldn't have thought any major panel developments. If that's true, and if the H5000 is using the F8500 panel, then I still have to wonder what the advantage of the H7000 will be. Maybe better processing? But it looks like the H5000 is using the same 600Hz tech as on the F8500 so again I would have thought the H7000 would be the same assuming they're not putting out anything significantly technically different from the F8500.

Guess we will have to wait and see. I certainly won't be complaining if the H5000 achieves F8500 panel quality for the price it's listed at. But as you say, it still seems to be marketed as a lower-end model.

EDIT: Looks from this thread - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1517843/samsung-2014-pn64h5000-thread - that the H5000 might have the same AR filter as the F8500 but not the same panel. That would make more sense. Waiting for the H7000 then I guess - hopefully might come a bit earlier than August!
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I suppose the difference is that it seemed like Samsung was not doing any new R&D on plasmas this year. I understood the H7000 is intended to be a stripped down F8500, which might have some minor improvements but I wouldn't have thought any major panel developments. If that's true, and if the H5000 is using the F8500 panel, then I still have to wonder what the advantage of the H7000 will be. Maybe better processing? But it looks like the H5000 is using the same 600Hz tech as on the F8500 so again I would have thought the H7000 would be the same assuming they're not putting out anything significantly technically different from the F8500.

Guess we will have to wait and see. I certainly won't be complaining if the H5000 achieves F8500 panel quality for the price it's listed at. But as you say, it still seems to be marketed as a lower-end model.

EDIT: Looks from this thread - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1517843/samsung-2014-pn64h5000-thread - that the H5000 might have the same AR filter as the F8500 but not the same panel. That would make more sense. Waiting for the H7000 then I guess - hopefully might come a bit earlier than August!

Um..that was what I've been saying so far. I knew from the price that the H5000 would be the F5300/F5500 derivative. Samsung is not THAT generous. tongue.gif lol (Of course, I'd like to be wrong but considering Samsung did only mention the H7000 when they said similiar PQ as the F8500 I'm not holding my breath.)

Stripped down is fine and all, but I do not want it to be the exact carbon copy refresh of the F8500, there has to be a new firmware designed for the H7000 that's derived from the F8500, but NOT exactly the same. How about an advanced Black Optimizer option akin to the F8000 LCD? Samsung ES8000 owners got smacked with auto-dimming that can't be turned off except in Cinema mode but the F7500/F8000 rectified that by providing weak,medium,strong options. I'd like an option that could make the H7000 operate at 30hz panel frequency at all times. Sure, degrade the luminance output to the ZT60 level or whatever, but at least keep the MLL at 0.002fL so that floating black can be a thing of the past! Then I'd like another option that allows the H7000 to operate at 60hz panel frequency at all time. Black will be downgraded to 0.007fL but at least brightness and ABL will be left untouched. Then finally a mid option that operates the same as the F8500. Of course, compared to the Kuro, this isn't still ideal, but at least this would rectify a lot of issues arising from the F8500 firmware update. We've already lost MLL by fixing ABL popping, but at least we can hide floating black as much as possible. If this is done, the H7000 can be the better TV than the F8500.
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Yes, sorry, I was confused by the VE webpage which seemed to suggest the panel itself was the same, not just the filter. As you say, probably too good to be true. Will be interesting to see what the H7000 brings, assuming it actually comes to market. Personally I was very happy with the F8500 apart from the buzz, and I'm probably being overly optimistic thinking that will change with a new body design, but it seems the 64" might have had fewer buzzing problems than the 60" I had so it's possible the body design has something to do with it.
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Yes, sorry, I was confused by the VE webpage which seemed to suggest the panel itself was the same, not just the filter. As you say, probably too good to be true. Will be interesting to see what the H7000 brings, assuming it actually comes to market. Personally I was very happy with the F8500 apart from the buzz, and I'm probably being overly optimistic thinking that will change with a new body design, but it seems the 64" might have had fewer buzzing problems than the 60" I had so it's possible the body design has something to do with it.

Did you try massaging the panel as one mentioned in the F8500 thread? I've recommended the F8500 to many people I know and one person that bought 64 inch one complained about the buzz while the other one that bought 51 inch one said he's happy there's no buzz.
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I tried pressing on / around the panel, hanging things behind the TV, moving it around, changing the brightness etc and nothing made a difference. I had two 60"s and they were both bad. Maybe I'm sensitive but I've never heard a significant buzz with other plasmas I've had. So I decided to wait and see what happens this year.
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Hate to burst everyone's bubble but it seems that except for the PN64H5000, Samsung is only carrying over 2013 models into 2014...NO 6 or 7 series models.


http://flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1395062567
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Brooks - your "news" is a great example of why you need to be careful posting to a thread without activity for over a month, see other threads, your news as been known around here since a few minutes after the announcement of the lack of H7000, etc. No bubbles burst a month later.
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I looked at the F8500 and the new Sammy OLED with the curved screen at Magnolia as well, and was impressed with the picture on both.

 

Since this was bumped, may as well mention that since making the above comments, I've had a chance to examine the F8500 more closely at a Magnolia store in controlled lighting (on two separate occasions), and have a less favorable impression of it's picture quality now.


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