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I am looking for a 55"/60" TV for my home at around $1000. I really like the Panasonic TCP60S60 - 60" Full HD 1080p Plasma TV for that price bracket. I do have a large window with direct sunlight in the room I am going to put this TV. Would this negatively effect the viewing as I believe Plasma's are more suitable for Darker rooms. The Cnet review is very high on this TV for the price, but does list the performance in brighter room as a negative.

Bright lighting: This is the S60's Achilles' heel. When I turned up the lights the image on the S60 washed out significantly, looking a good deal worse than that of any other TV in the lineup.

Is there another TV I should be considering for this price bracket or will this TV perform fine in a lighter room. Thanks for the advice.
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The S60 has no AR filter so in a bright room not advised. The S64(Costco version) does have the AR filter if you can find it, I believe production has been discontinued. You definitely need an AR filter in your evironemnt.

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Chunon - Thanks for the quick advice on this topic. I will see if I can find the S64 model. If I was to pay a little more and get the Panasonic TCP60ST60 model would that be fine in this lighter environment.

Is Costco the only retailer that sells this version. http://www.costco.com/Panasonic-65%22-1080p-Plasma-TV-TC-65PS64.product.100043008.html

After Tax I am up to around $1410. The Panasonic TCP60ST60 retails for $1500 at amazon.

Is there anyway to measure how much light is coming into the room I will be viewing or do you just weigh up how many windows/light coming in and estimate.
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Yes the ST60 would do nicely(AR filter), plus you are getting superior picture controls and 3d.

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How do you view the Panasonic TCL-58E60 LED LCD HDTV (1080p, 120Hz). Would this LED be better for a brighter room? Is the Panasonic Plasma picture quality considered the best.

I think the Panasonic TCP60ST60 - 60" Full HD 1080p Plasma TV is the TV I want, but just have to figure out whether I want to go up to $1500.

Where would you place the TV in a room in relationship to a large window. On the side or the window behind viewer with TV in front. Thanks for the advice.
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How do you view the Panasonic TCL-58E60 LED LCD HDTV (1080p, 120Hz). Would this LED be better for a brighter room? Is the Panasonic Plasma picture quality considered the best.

I think the Panasonic TCP60ST60 - 60" Full HD 1080p Plasma TV is the TV I want, but just have to figure out whether I want to go up to $1500.

Where would you place the TV in a room in relationship to a large window. On the side or the window behind viewer with TV in front. Thanks for the advice.

I am a Panasonic fan but LED is not their strongpoint. The ST60 will absoulutely destroy the LED picture quality wise, but yes LED can be better in a bright room. The blacks, viewing angles and contrast ratio are definitely inferior on the LED. I would say window on the side or behind the tv is best. I have a window directly across from my VT50 and the reflections are muted but sometimes noticeable. If the ST60 is that close in price to the S64 and in your budget go for the ST60. I think there is a meter that can measure ambient light, can you post a pic of the room it will be installed in ? Can the light be controlled ? Plasmas are usually good up to moderate lighting conditions. If it is very very bright you might have some issues.

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Thanks Chunon for your great advice. All makes sense and I will post back soon with a few picks of the room, window and lighting.
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Thanks Chunon for your great advice. All makes sense and I will post back soon with a few picks of the room, window and lighting.

You are welcome not an expert by any means but have been a Panny Plasma owner for many years, what set do you have now ?

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Sorry if these pictures are too big, but should give you a good idea of room lighting/layout. Let me know what you think. Thanks
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What is the most common lighting condition ? Pretty big windows

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As you can see there is a big windows and two smaller ones right on each side of that. That let's in pretty good light depending on if the shades are drawn or not. The two possible positions for the TV are on top of where the dog cage is, which would be opposite the windows. Or on the side wall on top of where there is an old TV on the floor (that would be position on the side wall to the right of the windows. Hope that info helps, but I know this is all not that easy to grasp without seeing the room. Thanks
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You might be okay, here is my suggestion post these pics in the ST60 thread and ask for opinions. My VT50 day mode would probably hold up pretty well in your room and the ST60 gets brighter than my set. I would feel better if you got a thumbs up from a current owner. If not the Samsung F8500 although more expensive might work great for you. But it would cost quite a bit more than the ST60.

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I am leaning towards purchasing the Panasonic ST60. The reviews are incredible and I do believe it will do much better than the S60 in a bright room due to the AR Filter. I am reading some comments about Input Lag on the ST60. Can you explain to me exactly what that means and what it effects.

The ST looks like it has 3 HDMI's, 3D, AR Filter, 10-pt grayscale and 10-pt gamma all of which the S60 does not have. ST60's black levels are better, the screen is brighter, and it has better processing. Have I missed any other differences bw these two TV's. I really appreciate the good tips and info.
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I think input lag is only an issue if you do a lot of video gaming. Processing supposedly is not as quick on fast moving images in fast paced games, from what I understand. But otherwise, ST60 is an awesome TV for regular HD viewing from antenna, cable/sat, and Bluray. Best choice for $999 price point, as it has top tier video processing and features at an affordable price. Samsung no longer offers an affordable high end option, since the 7000 series was discontinued. So best plasma choices in this price range are the ST60 or E7000 from last year. Go with the ST60.
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tylerSC, Thanks for the good advice. I won't be doing any gaming on this TV, therefore I think the ST60 is a great choice. It packs great value into a high end plasma.
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Sounds like you've made a good decision smile.gif

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tylerSC, Thanks for the good advice. I won't be doing any gaming on this TV, therefore I think the ST60 is a great choice. It packs great value into a high end plasma.

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