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Well this most likely removes Plasma from my consideration of candidates to replace my defective DLP.

If Panasonic is exiting it cannot be too long before the rest of the players go.
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I don't understand why people who squint at a picture because of brightness think that is a sign of better?! Exasperated.

There are several LED's than can be adjusted( and calibrated) and perform quite well

actually any full array does a pretty decent job

Not sure why everyone here is painting LED with the same broad brush...both technologies have their pluses and minuses and I do own both in my home

As for the Panasonic plasma discontinuation

Not sure why this would come a s surprise to anyone....what "for-profit" company with stockholders loses millions a year on a business and doesn't make some pretty radical changes?

Actually the way their loses have been...Panasonic has paid each of us money who bought one of their plasma panels in the last few years

This includes me..who bought an ST50 last year

I see some serious deals coming after the first of year on these closeout Panasonics....recall how cheap the last Pioneer Kuro's went for?( or the same situation now with the Sharp elite LED)


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Washu, I own a TCP50GT50 and I love it. If I were you I would look to buy a GT50 model now or wait for an affordable OLED model, which may take a couple of years.
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Washu, I own a TCP50GT50 and I love it. If I were you I would look to buy a GT50 model now or wait for an affordable OLED model, which may take a couple of years.

GT50 is last years model

this year ..I think it skips from ST60 to VT50 to ZT60



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There are several LED's than can be adjusted( and calibrated) and perform quite well

actually any full array does a pretty decent job

Not sure why everyone here is painting LED with the same broad brush...both technologies have their pluses and minuses and I do own both in my home

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I also have both, but you need to spend more money on an LCD to get similar picture quality. Plasmas still offer the best bang for the buck. Unfortunately due to the lack of educational marketing and misconceptions about PDP technology, the average consumer just doesn't see it that way.


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Well this most likely removes Plasma from my consideration of candidates to replace my defective DLP.

If Panasonic is exiting it cannot be too long before the rest of the players go.

How does Panasonic exiting the market affect the quality of the set you are considering? The Panasonic plasma I bought last week didn't just suddenly get worse because they aren't going to make any more after March of 2014. In fact, you should give plasma HIGHER consideration, because prices are likely to fall.
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GT50 is last years model

this year ..I think it skips from ST60 to VT50 to ZT60



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You are correct. I suggested the GT50 because he would have to buy a VT or ZT, which cost much more, to get the goodies on the GT50. The ST60 has fewer video modes.
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How does Panasonic exiting the market affect the quality of the set you are considering? The Panasonic plasma I bought last week didn't just suddenly get worse because they aren't going to make any more after March of 2014. In fact, you should give plasma HIGHER consideration, because prices are likely to fall.

I really don't care to buy into the end of a technology. Sure they aren't getting worse, but unless the prices drop considerably I see no point. Its like buying a car from a manufacturer going out of business, why?
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Panasonic isn't going out of business.
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You are correct. I suggested the GT50 because he would have to buy a VT or ZT, which cost much more, to get the goodies on the GT50. The ST60 has fewer video modes.

and a better picture and black levels than last years GT50

My understanding was that there was really no difference in picture quality between last years ST50 and GT50...and that little differentiated them other than a THX mode and a different bezel



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Panasonic isn't going out of business.

who said they were going out of business?

Its their TV business that is in the sh%&er

In other areas of their business they seem to be very profitable


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I really don't care to buy into the end of a technology. Sure they aren't getting worse, but unless the prices drop considerably I see no point. Its like buying a car from a manufacturer going out of business, why?

not really

completely different level of investment and risk

Who puts as much time thought and investment in their TV buying as they do their car buying?

I am sure what ever happens parts/service will be available for many years

Again...if this is a 100% true story...I fail to understand why this would be a surprise to anyone?

Their TV losses have been public knowledge( as have Sony's)....what company keeps losing money on a product and continues to for long?


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who said they were going out of business?

Its their TV business that is in the sh%&er

In other areas of their business they seem to be very profitable


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Washu insinuated it with his sh*tty analogy.

Car companies don't tend to have product lines as diverse as CEMs as you illustrated in your last two posts.

Therefore, the warranties should stay intact, and replacement parts should be available in the coming years, thus negating any perceived risk of buying in at "the end of a technology."

Not sure why this needed expounding upon.
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prices are likely to fall.

Supply on many of this year's models has been limited even before this announcement.. I think you're going to see many go OOS before they get marked down significantly.
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Washu insinuated it with his sh*tty analogy.

Car companies don't tend to have product lines as diverse as CEMs as you illustrated in your last two posts.

Therefore, the warranties should stay intact, and replacement parts should be available in the coming years, thus negating any perceived risk of buying in at "the end of a technology."

Not sure why this needed expounding upon.

Because of the sentence you put out there.... like I said before a TV and a car have very different amounts of risk and investment involved. Buying considerations, for the two, cant really be considered comparable
The other fact is that TV's have such a short "life" anymore...almost every year there is some improvement and less cost. So much less cost that some people just continue to buy in the short term because prices are lower and quality is better...for cars this does not typically apply for many reasons

Warranties will stay intact, for Panasonic Tv's, I am sure..however for folks that have the ZT for instance

depending on how many proprietary parts it has( from other models)...I cant imagine there will be warehouses full of parts for a low volume model of a low volume technology

So..like Sharp has done with their discontinued Elite in some instances....you get offered a then current replacement model if yours fails


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Supply on many of this year's models has been limited even before this announcement.. I think you're going to see many go OOS before they get marked down significantly.

or drive people to purchase Samsung and the opposite happens

as I recall it wasnt long after Pioneer and Sharp announced that their prices were cut....and if you waited long enough there were some crazy low deals on their models


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Washu insinuated it with his sh*tty analogy.

Car companies don't tend to have product lines as diverse as CEMs as you illustrated in your last two posts.

Therefore, the warranties should stay intact, and replacement parts should be available in the coming years, thus negating any perceived risk of buying in at "the end of a technology."

Not sure why this needed expounding upon.

breathe.

thank you.

No, see I am coming from DLP. One thing I have noticed is, many stores with delivery and take away don't take DLP, Even if it worked I haven't found a charity that would have taken it. Will Plasma sets go that way? Quite possibly, their weight, their energy requirements, that glass panel, all add up to an easy way to being a garage queen once its done.

I love the abilities presented by plasma, its a great tech, but OLED is probably its best replacement if not a replacement across the board. Once Panasonic, Sony, and others, figure it out there will be a year where the price at Christmas may be half or less than the preceding one.

I am leery of buying something where getting it fixed becomes a chore, like my LED driven DLP.
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^Fair enough, I just think your concerns are overblown as it was largely the case with Pioneer's exit. Also, the difference in weight between 100 pounds (i.e. the 65" Sony HX950) and 136.7 pounds (the ZT60) is not so great when we're getting into the triple digits. Both are subjectively heavy and require 2 people to move. The power requirement differences could factor in, I suppose, as rates continue to climb (and you don't produce your own power). However, a viable OLED at anywhere near this price is in my estimation no less than half a decade away.
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Because of the sentence you put out there.... like I said before a TV and a car have very different amounts of risk and investment involved. Buying considerations, for the two, cant really be considered comparable
The other fact is that TV's have such a short "life" anymore...almost every year there is some improvement and less cost. So much less cost that some people just continue to buy in the short term because prices are lower and quality is better...for cars this does not typically apply for many reasons

Warranties will stay intact, for Panasonic Tv's, I am sure..however for folks that have the ZT for instance

depending on how many proprietary parts it has( from other models)...I cant imagine there will be warehouses full of parts for a low volume model of a low volume technology

So..like Sharp has done with their discontinued Elite in some instances....you get offered a then current replacement model if yours fails


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I think you're just looking for an argument, Warren. wink.gif I didn't quote the previous poster because my post followed his...all of my original statements still stand. I'm also pretty sure I already stated what I thought of his analogy. The parts most susceptible to failure (and easily replaceable) in the VT and ZT are likely interchangeable (and that probably includes the full line of 2013 models).
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I think Panasonic is going to put their R&D dollars into the next big thing, OLED. At this time only 2 major Japanese companies is doing work on OLED, Sony and Panasonic. And they are playing catchup to LG and Samsung. Once Panasonic gets their OLED process going they will be back with high quality TV sets. Also, Panasonic could not make 4K plasmas but can make 4K LED LCD and OLED. So that their next big thing. In meantime my guess they will be putting out decent 1080p and 4K LED LCD TV sets.

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Although I am very pleased with my TCP50GT50, which I bought for only $1400 last June, I would happily replace it with an OLED model if it didn't cost much more than current plasma models. I could probably get it by my wife by emphasizing that it uses less electricity and won't heat up our bedroom. You think that would work?wink.gif
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I think Panasonic is going to put their R&D dollars into the next big thing, OLED. At this time only 2 major Japanese companies is doing work on OLED, Sony and Panasonic. And they are playing catchup to LG and Samsung. Once Panasonic gets their OLED process going they will be back with high quality TV sets. Also, Panasonic could not make 4K plasmas but can make 4K LED LCD and OLED. So that their next big thing. In meantime my guess they will be putting out decent 1080p and 4K LED LCD TV sets.

 

Hopefully 2 issues with OLED will be solved sooner than later. Lifespan of OLED elements and (if reports are to be believed) screen burn-in on OLED.

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breathe.

thank you.

No, see I am coming from DLP. One thing I have noticed is, many stores with delivery and take away don't take DLP, Even if it worked I haven't found a charity that would have taken it. Will Plasma sets go that way? Quite possibly, their weight, their energy requirements, that glass panel, all add up to an easy way to being a garage queen once its done.

I love the abilities presented by plasma, its a great tech, but OLED is probably its best replacement if not a replacement across the board. Once Panasonic, Sony, and others, figure it out there will be a year where the price at Christmas may be half or less than the preceding one.

I am leery of buying something where getting it fixed becomes a chore, like my LED driven DLP.

Yeah, a 60# TV is going to drive somebody insane vs a 45# tv, not to mention one that uses $40 elec/yr instead of $27. You could not possibly be more ridiculous.

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Hopefully 2 issues with OLED will be solved sooner than later. Lifespan of OLED elements and (if reports are to be believed) screen burn-in on OLED.

And motion resolution.
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Also, Panasonic could not make 4K plasmas but can make 4K LED LCD and OLED.
Sure they could, but it's cost prohibitive and there are not enough videophiles around to purchase it to make it fiscally possible.
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Get your Panasonic Plasma's now. Prices will go up. When Mitsubishi officially stopped making DLPs, online vendors raised the prices on remaining inventory because demand went up for a quality product that would no longer be available.
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Get your Panasonic Plasma's now. Prices will go up. When Mitsubishi officially stopped making DLPs, online vendors raised the prices on remaining inventory because demand went up for a quality product that would no longer be available.
I tend to agree. Probably nothing drastic though until inventory is nearly 0. Then those 3rd party vendors at Amazon will charge an arm and a leg for high demand items like they always do.
A lot of people are getting excited thinking they are going to give these away and I dont think thats gonna be the case.

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I tend to agree. Probably nothing drastic though until inventory is nearly 0. Then those 3rd party vendors at Amazon will charge an arm and a leg for high demand items like they always do.
A lot of people are getting excited thinking they are going to give these away and I dont think thats gonna be the case.

Your right. There will be no great clearance pricing.
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The Kuros were clearanced, however (and you can't argue they weren't quality plasmas). I guess it all depends on stock and manufacturer decisions.
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Your right. There will be no great clearance pricing.

I agree. I don't see that coming either. There is still a significant market for plasma, despite its sales being way below LCD/LED. Unless there are some extenuating circumstances where they would need to unload it right away, I suspect Panasonic will have no trouble selling their inventory. This doesn't mean there won't be any sales, but just no massive or closeout type price reductions.
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The Kuros were clearanced, however (and you can't argue they weren't quality plasmas). I guess it all depends on stock and manufacturer decisions.

That always baffled me why the KRP500M prices dropped so low as the supply was drying up - i would have thought that retailers would have held firm on price - they still would have sold every unit. I didn't see the need to drop their prices like they did.

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