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So the S64's are better than the S60's but hard to find?

Where's this shootout posted? I've had my head in the HTPC forum too much I guess.

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So the S64's are better than the S60's but hard to find?

Where's this shootout posted? I've had my head in the HTPC forum too much I guess.

The S64 65" is very easy for me to find. My local Costco still has 9 with the floor model when I was there yesterday. The Tv dude even said they MIGHT drop down in price around holiday sales, he even tossed around a $999 price. But this is all speculation, they are not selling quickly at that store.

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So the S64's are better than the S60's but hard to find?

Where's this shootout posted? I've had my head in the HTPC forum too much I guess.
The URL gets filtered out here, so I recommend Googling (or fave search engine). Here's a 3rd party article reporting on it: http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Samsung-Panasonic-Plasma-TVs-Trounce-the-LED-Competition-Again-at-Flat-Panel-Shootout-2013.shtml
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So the S64's are better than the S60's but hard to find?

Where's this shootout posted? I've had my head in the HTPC forum too much I guess.
The URL gets filtered out here, so I recommend Googling (or fave search engine). Here's a 3rd party article reporting on it: http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Samsung-Panasonic-Plasma-TVs-Trounce-the-LED-Competition-Again-at-Flat-Panel-Shootout-2013.shtml

That is an interesting read but I think every set in that shootout is a budget buster for me at my viewing distance. If I were to stay at 40" I would not bother buying a new HDTV and just remain happy with the one I have.

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40" TV is only good for desktop monitor these days smile.gif

At the distance you outlined, 60"+ is a must. Go with whatever you can afford budget wise. Personally, I think the ST60 is the best choice in this criteria. A good PQ LED TV at 60"+ size probably easily cost you $2000+.
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True...those can't be had for under $1500 unfortunately. But, you were asking about the tech involved in some of the panels, and the comparison was the most immediate resource that came to mind.
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Right, but I was trying to find out more about the differences between the S60 and S64. It was mentioned that the S64 uses a better filter as in being the same the 3D ST60 uses, so I am wondering if that is actually true.

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40" TV is only good for desktop monitor these days smile.gif

At the distance you outlined, 60"+ is a must. Go with whatever you can afford budget wise. Personally, I think the ST60 is the best choice in this criteria. A good PQ LED TV at 60"+ size probably easily cost you $2000+.

This is why I am upgrading.

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I'm also interested in more information about the supposed "Rainbow Effect" of plasma TV's. Is this myth or reality? I don't perceive this at all on my LCD.

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I'm also interested in more information about the supposed "Rainbow Effect" of plasma TV's. Is this myth or reality? I don't perceive this at all on my LCD.

It is a fact about 5% of people are sensitive to it.
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So I can choose between rainbows on Plasma and clouds on LED?

Everything is a compromise. I need to get to BB this weekend and do some viewing. Too bad all the sets in my budget will probably not be in Magnolia Theater but rather on the floor, under bright lights with torch mode enabled.

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Most don't see the rainbow effect of plasma. Some of those that do, it's not the entire time but only during high contrast scenes (especially if they are moving their eyes around). I see rainbows very rarely and I did and would continue to buy Plasmas over LED
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Rainbow effects are more pronounced on DLP projectors than Plasma.

BTW, Microcenter just sent me an email that they are selling a 60" 1080p Plasma for $599. Not mentioned of brands or models, in store only. I'll have to check it out but I'm not in the market for any new TVs due to my new house will come with 8 new HDTVs (model house, all of them are LCDs) already. It will be a while before I go shopping for new TVs.
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I need to call them. I'm in SoCal and there's one near me but I can't get there 'til Saturday. I wonder if this is national or regional..

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Just visited my local store, it is LG PN 5700.



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That's a good price ~$200 less than amazon but is this in Canada (your phone sig says canada)? Are there any reviews on this set?

I just checked on line and it is $999 here with in-store pickup only, but it shows that for VA too? mad.gif

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that's phone model number. my location is in my profile to the left. There should be owner's thread here.
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Right, but I was trying to find out more about the differences between the S60 and S64. It was mentioned that the S64 uses a better filter as in being the same the 3D ST60 uses, so I am wondering if that is actually true.

The difference is in the filter. The S64 has a better filter (Louvre I believe) that essentially helps cut down on vertical glare. It was a limited run to be sold at Costco and Sams Club. The reason for the filter was because at the warehouse stores the vertical lighting is terrible. If you can find an S64 and are a Costco/Sams Club member, the general consensus (I was reading threads over in the Plasma forum for a while as I'm also looking to buy at some point this year) was to get it over the S60. The ST60 v. S64 debate was much closer. The panel on the ST60 is better than the 64, plus it adds 3D and some smart apps. The ST60 has a high input lag (only really a problem if you game).

Personally, I went and looked at both the S60 and ST60 and really didn't notice much of a difference between the two in terms of glare. Also, several people said the glare wasn't too bad if you have blinds to cover the windows.

I for one am leaning most heavily towards the ST60. Talked to the wife and her opinion was "If the ST60 has a better panel, does better with light and only ~$300 more (at 50 inches), then I'm sold."
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does the AR filter on the S64 help it retain its blacks under bright lighting better than the S60 or does it only mute the mirror-like reflections of the S60?
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You're asking me? LOL! I'm trying to figure this all out myself!

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Done Deal!

Pauls had the 60" TC-P60VT60 for $1800 and I got amazon to match with 24 months to pay. A little over my budget but I think this will be a great TV for me!!

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You're asking me? LOL! I'm trying to figure this all out myself!

I'm asking anyone reading this thread. I'm trying to understand what the AR filter does vs. what the black filter does.
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I decided not to worry about that too much and jumped on the Paul's deal today when the price hit $1800 on the TC-P60VT60. It seems to be a pretty good price for a much nicer set.

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does the AR filter on the S64 help it retain its blacks under bright lighting better than the S60 or does it only mute the mirror-like reflections of the S60?
It's the same filter as the ST60, so it looks exactly the same under light. It's much blacker than the mirror like S60.
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Get a 65" panasonic s64 and you will not complain one bit.
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The S64 filter only deals with light from vertical sources. Keep in mind that the ST60 has a superior panel (Infinity Black or something like that) which helps it get overall better black levels.

And Sammy, nice deal!
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The S64 filter only deals with light from vertical sources. Keep in mind that the ST60 has a superior panel (Infinity Black or something like that) which helps it get overall better black levels.
The difference in black level between the S60/64 vs. ST60 is next to nil.

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.004 fL S60
.00373 fL ST60


I'd argue if you got 10 people in the same room they wouldn't all be able to agree on which is the darkest.
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