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Hi Guys,

 

Panny claims the ST60 to have double the amount of shades of gradation than the S60/S64.  Have any of you had the opportunity to experience both the ST60 and the S60/S64 and experienced first hand the shades of gradation performance difference for these two TV's?  Is the difference significant from what you experienced?  Thanks!

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Look for a comparison thread one was done fairly recently. But to answer your question you will some some slightly smoother transitions because of the shades or gradation but it is not readily apparent in all material. In my estimation there is a certain amound of marketing hype in the some of the features that are different between the two sets.

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Look for a comparison thread one was done fairly recently. But to answer your question you will some some slightly smoother transitions because of the shades or gradation but it is not readily apparent in all material. In my estimation there is a certain amound of marketing hype in the some of the features that are different between the two sets.


I have to agree. You will find slightly better color gamut (less banding) and shadow detail. However, higher brightness and contrast is what gives the ST60 the real edge.



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I agree Ian smile.gif

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I have to agree. You will find slightly better color gamut (less banding) and shadow detail. However, higher brightness and contrast is what gives the ST60 the real edge.



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aren't the color gamut and banding two separate things? I get near perfect measurements for gamut on my S60 (including luminance and saturation sweeps) but looking at gray, red, green, and blue continuous ramps reveals a lot of banding (including color banding with gray)
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Yes to my knowledge the banding would be more impacted by the shades of gradation

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Yes to my knowledge the banding would be more impacted by the shades of gradation

that's what I thought too
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Do you see the banding in cotent or just the gray scale ramp ?

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Do you see the banding in cotent or just the gray scale ramp ?

both, though it's more random in content than consistent (usually smooth transitions of a single color)

FWIW, my 2008 Panasonic Plasma has it too (TH-42PZ80U).
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Maybe I am just not sensitive to it have yet to notice it on the ST60

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I have to agree. You will find slightly better color gamut (less banding) and shadow detail. However, higher brightness and contrast is what gives the ST60 the real edge.



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Hi Ian,

 

Do you know why the ST60 is brighter?  Does the higher contrast ratio of the ST60 also help to increase the brightness?

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My guess is less agressive abl, and the brightness is the top end component used to calculate contrast ratio, it is not as important as black level but it still is partially responsible for the increased contrast ratio over the S60

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aren't the color gamut and banding two separate things? I get near perfect measurements for gamut on my S60 (including luminance and saturation sweeps) but looking at gray, red, green, and blue continuous ramps reveals a lot of banding (including color banding with gray)


Sorry, I didn't word that correctly. I meant to post less color banding. Not sure how gamut got in there. confused.gif



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Sorry, I didn't word that correctly. I meant to post less color banding. Not sure how gamut got in there. confused.gif



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Maybe I am just not sensitive to it have yet to notice it on the ST60

I turned on deep color on the PS3 today and while it didn't help with BDs, the XMB showed much less color banding.
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Hi Ian,

Do you know why the ST60 is brighter?  Does the higher contrast ratio of the ST60 also help to increase the brightness?

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My guess is less agressive abl, and the brightness is the top end component used to calculate contrast ratio, it is not as important as black level but it still is partially responsible for the increased contrast ratio over the S60

I think it's the better 'neoplasma' panel

the black level difference is mainly due to the black filter (infinite black pro) being a little darker
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