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does the H7000 exist anymore? or is the 64" H5000 the only H series plasma that will be made in 2014?

also, what 51" 1080p models will be sold in 2014?
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Are you saying the F8500 and the F5300/F5500 will be continued to be sold in 2015 too? That would be something! eek.gif
If they are making money, lines are all set up and running, why would they not ?
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If they are making money, lines are all set up and running, why would they not ?

Well, by the time sales start slowing down it's too late to stop production without ending up with a large surplus, or chopping prices. That said, I would agree with you that these series still have legs. Especially if they are able to make some cost/price improvements on the F8500.

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...I and many others find it difficult to fit the 8500 due to its width; can you easily remove the stand and substitute another?

This universal stand should fit - it uses the TV's wall mounting screw holes so check their distances carefully against the stands diagram:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZVPFGU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=EN89PQX99D5P&coliid=I1I3OZEXEJ6FAQ



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This universal stand should fit - it uses the TV's wall mounting screw holes so check their distances carefully against the stands diagram:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZVPFGU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=EN89PQX99D5P&coliid=I1I3OZEXEJ6FAQ




Supports up to 60lbs. which wouldn't be enough for the 64". It's right at 80 lbs.

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Supports up to 60lbs. which wouldn't be enough for the 64". It's right at 80 lbs.

Good catch - i didn't notice the weight limit.

Here's another similar stand rated at 135 lbs - it's only spec'd for up to 55" TVs but if the bracket's top holes are high enough above the base to attach to the TVs upper mounting holes then it should work.

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Not exactly the case with the H5000. Go checkout the review at: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/pn64h5000-201403143657.htm

Looks like it's a quite nice improvement over the 5300.

F***ing pentile. Why???
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I understand the F5300 has more calibration settings than the F5500, but it seems odd that somebody on this forum would prefer a down model. Is there a reason?
 

 

Interesting way of putting it. :) I recently had both an F5300 and S60 in my home for a few weeks to compare, and my impressions of both displays were mostly positive. If you don't mind, I'll turn your question around, and ask what makes you think the F5300 is a down model: The low price? Or lack of 3D and smart features? PQ? Build quality? All of the above?...


If you help me understand what your main concerns are, perhaps I can allay (or reinforce) them.


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F***ing pentile. Why???

 

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F***ing pentile. Why???

Why are you yelling at me? =(
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Why are you yelling at me? =(

I believe he is yelling at Samsung for making the phosphor layout on the screen pentile instead of RGB smile.gif
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Pretty much been reading through all of the F8500 info here as I am in need of replacing my 5th gen 42" Panasonic plasma… Is the consensus essentially if I want a plasma to just get the F8500 - I'm looking at the 60" - as there really isn't anything better on the horizon unless I want to wait for OLED? I've not been happy with any of the LED sets though is it even worth looking at their new sets when they arrive in the next couple of months - they they are all sill edge lit… Thanks!
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Why are you yelling at me? =(

I wasn't yelling at you, of course. I just had to quote the article.
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Pretty much been reading through all of the F8500 info here as I am in need of replacing my 5th gen 42" Panasonic plasma… Is the consensus essentially if I want a plasma to just get the F8500 - I'm looking at the 60" - as there really isn't anything better on the horizon unless I want to wait for OLED? I've not been happy with any of the LED sets though is it even worth looking at their new sets when they arrive in the next couple of months - they they are all sill edge lit… Thanks!

If there was such an alternative, I wouldn't have been in frenzy trying to purchase the F8500 as soon as possible.
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Interesting way of putting it. smile.gif I recently had both an F5300 and S60 in my home for a few weeks to compare, and my impressions of both displays were mostly positive. If you don't mind, I'll turn your question around, and ask what makes you think the F5300 is a down model: The low price? Or lack of 3D and smart features? PQ? Build quality? All of the above?...


If you help me understand what your main concerns are, perhaps I can allay (or reinforce) them.

I have an S60 and am not thrilled with it, so was looking at the F5300/5350, but then heard about the H5000, so decided to wait. Now that I see it's pentile and only available in 64" I might once again be looking at the F5300.

-How would you compare the motion on the two? This is the number one issue I have with the S60 and I can't stand it. I don't mind the occasional 24p judder. I'm more referring to motion in general. There's sort of a subtle doubling going on.

-Dithering noise? Lots of dithering on the S60. I heard the Sammy's have less, but from the review posted here on the H5000 it looks like it might be an issue on that set.

-Buzzing? My Panny buzzes, but it's not too bad...seems to be usually worse with Samsung.

-Black detail? The S60 has nice blacks, but honestly, when using calibrated settings it's too dark in general and loses a lot of detail that kind of defeats the purpose of having nice blacks.

-In low light level scenes everything gets kinda murky and colors look off.

-Green tint! Now it looks like the H5000 has that as well. I'm having a terrible time trying to get rid of it without messing up the other colors.

-S60 posterizes quite a bit.

Maybe I got a bum set, but I'm not that happy with it. When everything is perfect the picture looks great, but it just can't handle tough scenes.
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I have an S60 and am not thrilled with it, so was looking at the F5300/5350, but then heard about the H5000, so decided to wait. Now that I see it's pentile and only available in 64" I might once again be looking at the F5300.

-How would you compare the motion on the two? This is the number one issue I have with the S60 and I can't stand it. I don't mind the occasional 24p judder. I'm more referring to motion in general. There's sort of a subtle doubling going on.

-Dithering noise? Lots of dithering on the S60. I heard the Sammy's have less, but from the review posted here on the H5000 it looks like it might be an issue on that set.

-Buzzing? My Panny buzzes, but it's not too bad...seems to be usually worse with Samsung.

-Black detail? The S60 has nice blacks, but honestly, when using calibrated settings it's too dark in general and loses a lot of detail that kind of defeats the purpose of having nice blacks.

-In low light level scenes everything gets kinda murky and colors look off.

-Green tint! Now it looks like the H5000 has that as well. I'm having a terrible time trying to get rid of it without messing up the other colors.

-S60 posterizes quite a bit.

Maybe I got a bum set, but I'm not that happy with it. When everything is perfect the picture looks great, but it just can't handle tough scenes.

I don't have much problem with black crush on my Panny S60, but agreed. Without advanced calibration option, the S60's shadow detail can't be made excellent compared to the F5300 and the H5000 which do come with great calibration options in comparison. But still, I'll always take great blacks/mediocre shadow detail over great shadow detail/mediocre black.

With the H5000, you will get just as great blacks with better chances to remedy color problems via advanced calibration. Motion-wise, they seem about equal, although I'm still interested in seeing the motion resolution number. The dithering also seem about equal because of the pentile factor.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about... The S60 I previously owned had better shadow detail in the darkest parts of the picture than the F5300 I have now. You just needed to use cinema mode and the "2.4" gamma setting on the 50 inch model.
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The "2.6" gamma setting did hurt shadow detail though.
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Cnet's review of the F5500 includes a comparison to the S60 I believe
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In terms of MLL the S60 settled to 0.003 fL and my F5300 is now stable around 0.006 fL.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about... The S60 I previously owned had better shadow detail in the darkest parts of the picture than the F5300 I have now. You just needed to use cinema mode and the "2.4" gamma setting on the 50 inch model.

I stand corrected. smile.gif
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Pretty much been reading through all of the F8500 info here as I am in need of replacing my 5th gen 42" Panasonic plasma… Is the consensus essentially if I want a plasma to just get the F8500 - I'm looking at the 60" - as there really isn't anything better on the horizon unless I want to wait for OLED? I've not been happy with any of the LED sets though is it even worth looking at their new sets when they arrive in the next couple of months - they they are all sill edge lit… Thanks!
Sounds like a good plan............. Not to mention the 60F8500 are cheap.......
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Okay, I know I haven't posted here much, but I really haven't had a reason to. I've enjoyed the threads and discussions about various models of plasmas out in the world., I bought an LG 50PK950 back in 2010, and I utterly loved it. I thought the colors and overall picture were better than the comparable Pannys out at the time. Should have known better - all of the inputs died 4 weeks ago, so it is now basically an expensive Netflix player. Of course, this stupid thing died AFTER Panasonic made arguably the best plasma tvs ever created and then promptly killed their plasma line. F88king dammit!!!! I have been searching high and low for any sort of ST60 anywhere - open box, display model, etc. - and I can't find anything. I know the F8500 is great and all, but I just can't justify dropping $2200 on a 60" TV right now. I'm pissed. Why in the holy hell would the idiotic masses choose a clearly inferior picture (LCD) and cause all the major manufacturers to kill off their plasma lines?? I know I'm preaching to the choir, but even the worst plasma is clearly better than anything LED-LCD ever created. I JUST WANT A PANNY ST60!!! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO F88CKING ASK?!?!?

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Okay, I know I haven't posted here much, but I really haven't had a reason to. I've enjoyed the threads and discussions about various models of plasmas out in the world., I bought an LG 50PK950 back in 2010, and I utterly loved it. I thought the colors and overall picture were better than the comparable Pannys out at the time. Should have known better - all of the inputs died 4 weeks ago, so it is now basically an expensive Netflix player. Of course, this stupid thing died AFTER Panasonic made arguably the best plasma tvs ever created and then promptly killed their plasma line. F88king dammit!!!! I have been searching high and low for any sort of ST60 anywhere - open box, display model, etc. - and I can't find anything. I know the F8500 is great and all, but I just can't justify dropping $2200 on a 60" TV right now. I'm pissed. Why in the holy hell would the idiotic masses choose a clearly inferior picture (LCD) and cause all the major manufacturers to kill off their plasma lines?? I know I'm preaching to the choir, but even the worst plasma is clearly better than anything LED-LCD ever created. I JUST WANT A PANNY ST60!!! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO F88CKING ASK?!?!?

That's my rant. I'm done. Carry on.
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The worst plasma is better than a Sharp Elite? *Maybe* in viewing angle, but that's about the extent of it. Time marches on, and there may be some affordable LCD options yet that will compare with the ST60.
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Okay, I know I haven't posted here much, but I really haven't had a reason to. I've enjoyed the threads and discussions about various models of plasmas out in the world., I bought an LG 50PK950 back in 2010, and I utterly loved it. I thought the colors and overall picture were better than the comparable Pannys out at the time. Should have known better - all of the inputs died 4 weeks ago, so it is now basically an expensive Netflix player. Of course, this stupid thing died AFTER Panasonic made arguably the best plasma tvs ever created and then promptly killed their plasma line. F88king dammit!!!! I have been searching high and low for any sort of ST60 anywhere - open box, display model, etc. - and I can't find anything. I know the F8500 is great and all, but I just can't justify dropping $2200 on a 60" TV right now. I'm pissed. Why in the holy hell would the idiotic masses choose a clearly inferior picture (LCD) and cause all the major manufacturers to kill off their plasma lines?? I know I'm preaching to the choir, but even the worst plasma is clearly better than anything LED-LCD ever created. I JUST WANT A PANNY ST60!!! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO F88CKING ASK?!?!?
That's my rant. I'm done. Carry on.

Market share for plasma has been declining over the years, not because of it's picture quality, but because the majority of display sales are from J6P, who prefers brighter.

Since 3D is arguably a flop, the CE manufacturers had to come up with something new to get the consumers to replace their displays before they normally would. So they decided to push 4K.

Unfortunately, it is too difficult to produce a 4K plasma, so plasma has become a casualty of 4K. In spite of it's inferior picture quality, LED LCD's will basically be it, until OLED matures and the production kinks are worked out.

Our only choices at this point is to buy a Samsung or LG plasma (new) while they are still being produced, or try to find a new Panasonic (limited supply and those that are available tend to be overpriced) or seek out a used Panasonic, which you have already found to be difficult at best.

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The worst plasma is better than a Sharp Elite? *Maybe* in viewing angle, but that's about the extent of it. Time marches on, and there may be some affordable LCD options yet that will compare with the ST60.

+1 If you ever get a chance to see a properly calibrated Elite you'll understand FALD has TONS of potential.
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+1 If you ever get a chance to see a properly calibrated Elite you'll understand FALD has TONS of potential.

Tons of potential yes, but still no thick, syrupy colors common with good plasmas. The Sharp Elite certainly had spectacular amount of pop, but never in a thick, syruppy way as it's true ANSI is still limited by Sharp's typical mediocre ANSI black level. I still preferred my black modded LG plasma over the Sharp Elite for movies. FALDs do have tons of potential, but let's not kid ourselves that on/off black is everything. FALDs being called 'a Kuro killer' back in 2008 was silly. It still is.
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Can I buy that thick syrupy color stuff in the store ? smile.gif

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Can I buy that thick syrupy color stuff in the store ? smile.gif

No need to buy any. Your VT60 offers you plenty. That's one thing I will sorely miss if I buy the F8500. Not anywhere near your VT60 level, but my Panasonic S60 also offers great amount and I think it's a drug. It's indeed very addictive. biggrin.gif
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